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Uh, folks, I am not a "troll"

I worked on Dr. Paul's campaign when he ran for the US Senate in 1984. I have been a Ron Paul supporter before 99% of you even knew he existed. I actually escorted him to several campaign functions and sat with him at the Texas State Republican convention.

So those of you calling me "idiot" can apologize now.

Look, you have to look at these things objectively. Would the average joe voter, who knew little about him or was undecided, have been swayed by him tonight? Sure, he did pretty well on the domestic issues, but on foreign policy, these debate formats are not allowing him to get his message across. Someone HAS to develop sound bites for him to quickly counter Giuliani, Romney, and McCain.

I agree with the poster who said that Gipson did a poor job moderating. He did. He should have allowed Ron to speak his piece without interruption by the mockers, but he did not. The "Luxemburg" comment by Romney, causing the entire audience to laugh, was NOT GOOD. How could you possibly conclude otherwise??

I guess we will find out on Tuesday.
 
what is this origianl poster talking about? He did a great job but the problem was, he was being over-talked by all of the closed minded propaghanda, war mongerals. If anything Ron Paul did quit well and made him more of the ant-war, pro-peace candidate.
 
There is no doubt the op is a troll...if nothing else he wants to demoralize us for some reason. Could you not have phrased your title differently.

Personally, I thought he did AWESOME. Especially his response on healthcare, I am a medical student and what he said was absolutely correct. We debate this issue often in medical school and what everyone always brings up is inflation. No one though correlates it to the Iraq War. Finally, Ron Paul did an amazing job. I liked his response on Obama too. Nothing negative. To be fair he did get bogged down early...but i think he was on fire from there on.
 
all J's in IL for RP said:
Just saw on ABC that Facebook posters wanted to hear more on the Economy. Who addressed economic issues multiple times in the debate while everyone else was talking about Islamofascism and their definition of amnesty? ding ding ding ding.
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Yep, I noticed that as well.

People are starting to freak out over the tanking dollar and recession looming.

They know which one of those guys has the smarts to guide us through it.

And it ain't Rudy or Mitt. And for SURE it ain't Gomer.
 
I think he could have pulled out the doctor card on the healthcare issue, but he answered it the way he felt he needed to. I got upset at the way nearly everyone went after him on the foreign policy issue, and started shouting at the TV when Romney (i think) said sarcastically "boy we're really going to miss you tomorrow".
 
Derek said:
For those of you complaining about the foreign policy part -- what were you expecting?! He was outnumbered 5-1 and Romney and Giuliani and the others would barely let him finish a freaking sentence!

He did get the last word on that subject though, and I think most objective people thought he held his own well as possible and was the only reasonable person on the stage.
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Agreed. With all 5 going after him at once, there was no way he was going to have the time to make a cogent argument.

However, I don't know many people who are "undecided" about the war at this point, and nothing that someone says in a sound bite contest is probably going to change anyone's mind.
 
Please shut up about the "Troll" stuff, guys. Not everything negative said about RP or the campaign has to come from a troll. This is constructive criticism, it's good to know your weaknesses or missteps so later in the campaign you can fix them.

I actually didn't see the debate, does anyone have a link to it on youtube?? I'm hearing two vastly different versions of how he did in this thread.
 
R_Harris said:
I worked on Dr. Paul's campaign when he ran for the US Senate in 1984. I have been a Ron Paul supporter before 99% of you even knew he existed. I actually escorted him to several campaign functions and sat with him at the Texas State Republican convention.

So those of you calling me "idiot" can apologize now.

Look, you have to look at these things objectively. Would the average joe voter, who knew little about him or was undecided, have been swayed by him tonight? Sure, he did pretty well on the domestic issues, but on foreign policy, these debate formats are not allowing him to get his message across. Someone HAS to develop sound bites for him to quickly counter Giuliani, Romney, and McCain.

I agree with the poster who said that Gipson did a poor job moderating. He did. He should have allowed Ron to speak his piece without interruption by the mockers, but he did not. The "Luxemburg" comment by Romney, causing the entire audience to laugh, was NOT GOOD. How could you possibly conclude otherwise??

I guess we will find out on Tuesday.
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Publicly ganging up on someone is NOT going to go over well with a lot of undecideds. We all know what that feels like. People will inevitably ask 'why' the need to marginalize him, and it might have induced some to pay closer attention to what he says.

Ron Paul is who he is - a substance-over-style man. And that's how he should be promoted.
 
great defense, i agreed with your original comment... i wish it weren't so, but i think the debate hurt ron paul. there's many name-calling members in this forum and it's sad, thank you for posting something with thought and honesty.
 
Deborah K said:
Publicly ganging up on someone is NOT going to go over well with a lot of undecideds. We all know what that feels like. People will inevitably ask 'why' the need to marginalize him, and it might have induced some to pay closer attention to what he says.

Ron Paul is who he is - a substance-over-style man. And that's how he should be promoted.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I sure hope that we are right about this one.
 
Anyone who thinks RP did poorly is a neocon at heart and does not understand the fundamentals of RP's platform - and how it revolves around economic policy and civil liberties, no matter the issue.

I just got off the phone with a neocon buddy who just switched from Romney to McCain (I would have too if I were a necon) and he thought RP did terrible.

RP was AWESOME, but his biggest handicap is initially understanding where he is coming from. The hope is enough people watching were not blinded by a neocon agenda and picked up on one or two things, and will now look RP up, and once you YouTube him and study up on him, you are sold.

But yes, hardcore neocons (like the OP if he is a troll) will tune out RP, but that is just the nature of the beast.
 
FreedomLover said:
Please shut up about the "Troll" stuff, guys. Not everything negative said about RP or the campaign has to come from a troll. This is constructive criticism, it's good to know your weaknesses or missteps so later in the campaign you can fix them.
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+1
 
unloud said:
What are you talking about? He showed that:

1) everyone just wanted him to shut up
2) everyone was paying lip service to the constitution
3) the MODERATOR painted him as the only steady politician on stage
4) he had full answers to all the questions

Honestly, did you even watch the debate?
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#2 was the best of the night. I felt like this was a knockout punch to that copycat huck!!!!!!!!!
 
I thought he did better than average. I DO think he probably gained votes with this debate, mainly because his current base is rock solid so he doesn't lose them. He was obviously distinctly different than all of the other candidates....this is good, imo. I think the format helped him. I believe the talking over him in the beginning and the smirks and attacks will backfire with NH voters who are arguably more independent thinking than many other parts of the country. Attacking like that has always seemed to help Paul, imo. His presentation was average as it always is, but the message remained strong. I wish he was a bit more assertive as I always find myself wishing that. I thought his humor with the Obama question was perfect and I was VERY glad to see that....mainly because I think that most of the American public cares more about that kind of stuff than substance...unfortunately. <-- It also helps to soften some perceptions that Paul is a "crank" or uptight (humorless). I think multiple choice Mitt was again the loser in this debate. Huckabee didn't help nor hurt himself. Thompson just cracks me up because he always seems like such a dunce. Julie Annie didn't look to change anything - he's almost finished imo, a weak showing in NH and I think he's through. McCain probably gained some because he was able to deflect the attacks fairly well. <-- That is probably my biggest concern but there again, at least the distinct differences between Paul and McCain are fairly clear in the eyes of Independents in NH....I just hope that the dissatisfaction with our foreign policy in the eyes of NH voters is enough to pry some of those undecided independents away from McCain and into Paul's camp.

Overall, my grade....Ron Paul = B+
 
I thought it sucked nuts at first but then he did better at the end and even managed to crack a joke. So 5/10 imho
 
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