Pentagon Confirms US Troops Will Deploy to Ukraine in Spring

No, we've been discussing whether Ukrainians are Nazis and fascists.



Actually it has. Or, more precisely, it's logical continuation. See, when the Soviet Union collapsed, state-owned property was more or less transferred to the state bureaucrats. That's where the oligarchs come from. That's where Putin's power comes from. That is what the Ukrainian revolution was about.

This entire phony Ukrainian revolution has been seeded and financed by the likes of ruthless oligarchs like George Soros. It has little to do with escaping from the 'evil' tentacles of Putin. The West has brought war to the doorsteps of Russia largely because of currency primacy and territorial control of Western Europe. Nothing less, nothing more. Anyone with a clear understanding of the geopolitical affairs in this world can see this for what it is.
 
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Sadly, Russian agitprop is strong on this forum.

Nazis? Fascism? Seriously? There was an anti-corruption / pro-EU protest on the Maidan, then Russia invades and annexes Crimea, after which Russia invades Eastern Ukraine and now the West are Nazis? Where is the logic in that?

You haven't read about the recruitment mobs in Western Ukraine? For all able bodied males, it's either pay the $1000 extortion fee to rip up the draft card or you're their property.
 
This entire phony Ukrainian revolution has been seeded and financed by the likes of ruthless oligarchs like George Soros. It has little to do with escaping from the 'evil' tentacles of Putin. The West has brought war to the doorsteps of Russia largely because of currency primacy and territorial control of Western Europe. Nothing less, nothing more. Anyone with a clear understanding of the geopolitical affairs in this world can see this for what it is.

1. What do you base this on?

2. Does this make Ukrainians Nazis and fascists?
 
You haven't read about the recruitment mobs in Western Ukraine? For all able bodied males, it's either pay the $1000 extortion fee to rip up the draft card or you're their property.

Do you happen to have a reliable source for this information?
 
. See, when the Soviet Union collapsed, state-owned property was more or less transferred to the state bureaucrats. That's where the oligarchs come from.

You are so full of shit.
The old Soviet Union was an Oligarchy. The United States is an Oligarchy. (communism is a Red Herring)
The Oligarchs have been around for well over 100 years..
 
You are so full of shit.
The old Soviet Union was an Oligarchy. The United States is an Oligarchy. (communism is a Red Herring)
The Oligarchs have been around for well over 100 years..

You JUST said that the Soviet system hasn't existed since the 80's, but now the Soviet system was an oligarchy all along? Your argument is confusing.
 
Does this make Ukrainians Nazis and fascists?

Not all of them,, Many oppose them.. What makes them Nazi is that they are Nationalist Socialists.
The name "Nazi" Is for National Socialism.
The fact that many side with and revere the German Nazis is but a side note. (They had a huge parade for one,,when this all kicked off)

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It disgusts me that the US is supporting this shit. It does not surprise me.. but it disgusts me.
 
Again, all you have to offer are pictures with no context and certainly no evidence that warrants calling Ukrainians as a whole, or even a large portion of Ukrainians, Nazis and fascists.
 
You JUST said that the Soviet system hasn't existed since the 80's, but now the Soviet system was an oligarchy all along? Your argument is confusing.

The Soviet Union was an Oligarchy. It had a ruling party. The USSR was not (and never was) communist.
It called itself that.. but it never was. Communism can not exist as a political system..

it would by definition be the absence of any political system.. because it would need NO leaders or rulers..
People would all work toward the common goals.

It is so contrary to human nature that it will not ever exist,, and it has not ever existed outside of philosophical fantasy.

Communism is a boogieman that has never been any real threat. The old USSR was a socialist Dictatorship.. Run by a few,, a group. (Oligarchy)
 
Again, all you have to offer are pictures with no context and certainly no evidence that warrants calling Ukrainians as a whole, or even a large portion of Ukrainians, Nazis and fascists.

Did not say that all Ukrainians were. Some are,, and they stole power through Violence,,(backed by the US and others)

There are many fighting them. Rejecting them.
 
Fuck the Ukraine and Fuck Russia.




US Boots should NEVER LEAVE US SOIL.

/END THREAD.
 
Did not say that all Ukrainians were. Some are,, and they stole power through Violence,,(backed by the US and others)

There are many fighting them. Rejecting them.

You do understand that the composition of the Ukrainian parliament is essentially the same as before the Maidan, right? The only person who was ousted was the president who gave an order to shoot on propestors, Victor Yanukovych. Was Yanukovych the last bulwark against the Nazi fascists in the Ukrainian parliament? What EXACTLY is your reasoning for these people being Nazis and fascists?
 
What EXACTLY is your reasoning for these people being Nazis and fascists?

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The video was shot last week in Ukraine by a camera team from Norwegian broadcaster TV2. “We were filming a report about Ukraine’s AZOV battalion in the eastern city of Urzuf, when we came across these soldiers,” Oysten Bogen, a correspondent for the private television station, told NBC News. Minutes before the images were taped, Bogen said he had asked a spokesperson whether the battalion had fascist tendencies. “The reply was: absolutely not, we are just Ukrainian nationalists,” Bogen said.

Ukrainian nationalists. (Nazis)

Why do you support National Socialism?
 
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Ukrainian nationalists. (Nazis)

Why do you support National Socialism?

Once more, you have some pictures of individuals, which you conflate to be representative of an entire nation.

And nationalism ≠ national socialism.

Also nationalism ≠ fascism.

If you intend to keep claiming that Ukrainians are Nazis and fascists, you need to show that Nazis and the fascist ideology play a crucial role in the government of Ukraine. Posting pictures of individuals does not make Ukrainians any more fascist than that Don Black picture makes Ron Paul a racist.

Or are you calling Ron Paul a racist?
 
1. What do you base this on?

2. Does this make Ukrainians Nazis and fascists?

Wayne Madsen touched on this 2 years ago. Do you really think this has anything to do with giving the Ukrainians freedom? I really wish their revolution was organic and focused on true independence but it's not:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article181535.html

Ukraine, which resisted efforts by the European Union to integrate it into Europe’s banker-led federation of austerity and poverty, came into the EU’s cross hairs after it abandoned an «Association Agreement» pact with the EU. Instead, Kyiv opted for a more lucrative economic union with Russia. That move triggered off a mass street uprising in Kyiv’s Maidan (Independence) Square that demanded the resignation of Ukraine’s democratically-elected President and government.

The connections between the Kyiv uprising and the EU outside manipulators are so apparent, the Kyiv square that has become the «Tahrir Square» of Ukraine is called «Euromaidan.» The initial Tahrir Square uprising in Cairo, which overthrew Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, was partly manipulated by Soros-financed and Sharp-influenced street demonstrators who took their cues from professional political agitators hastily flown into Egypt from the United States and Europe.

The latest professionally-agitated spectacle in Kyiv’s was spearheaded by the same Soros/Sharp/National Endowment for Democracy/CIA hydra that saw the overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2004 in the so-called Orange Revolution. This time, not only is Ukrainian President Yanukovych, but ultimately Russian President Vladimir Putin, are the targets… [2]

Nuland, who is married to the neocon Robert Kagan, handed out snacks to protesters on Maidan Square. Imagine the reaction of the United States had a second-tier official of either the Russian or Chinese foreign ministry handed out food to Occupy Wall Street protesters in Washington and urged them to overthrow, by force if necessary, President Obama. Yet, that is exactly the scenario Nuland engaged in by supporting protesters in Maidan. Furthermore, she reprimanded Yanokovych for the heavy security presence in Maidan. Nuland and Kerry, who also upbraided Yanukovych, forgot the acts of police brutality committed by U.S. cops against occupy protesters, as well as a plan by the FBI to use snipers to assassinate the leaders of the group.


2. Does this make Ukrainians Nazis and fascists?

I believe the ultra-nationalists in the Ukraine are being used as the violent pawns in all of this. They are the sandpaper element in Ukraine.
 
Wayne Madsen touched on this 2 years ago. Do you really think this has anything to do with giving the Ukrainians freedom? I really wish their revolution was organic and focused on true independence but it's not:

http://www.voltairenet.org/article181535.html

The only substantive evidence of US involvement was "Nuland, who is married to the neocon Robert Kagan, handed out snacks to protesters on Maidan Square."

The rest were guilt by association speculation.

I'm not saying it's impossible that there was official US involvement, but you have to accept that there isn't much evidence for it.

I believe the ultra-nationalists in the Ukraine are being used as the violent pawns in all of this. They are the sandpaper element in Ukraine.

Nationalists on BOTH sides are fighting, Russian AND Ukrainian. I'll accept that. But if that is all that qualifies for a nation to be Nazi fascist, then why isn't Russia Nazi fascist? Or, better yet, why call anyone a Nazi or a fascist unless they are actually Nazis or fascists? Why not accept that nationalist fervor is going to stir during a war and that a few individuals cannot be used to characterize an entire nation?
 
Once more, you have some pictures of individuals, which you conflate to be representative of an entire nation.

No.. I don't.
There is a civil War there. There are many fighting these NAZIS.
Crimea left,, for good cause. other provinces are at war..
Many Ukrainians oppose this shit.. so no,, I do not think ALL Ukrainians are Nazis.

Some, a great many oppose them.
So we are going to send troops to kill them.
 
The only substantive evidence of US involvement was "Nuland, who is married to the neocon Robert Kagan, handed out snacks to protesters on Maidan Square."

The rest were guilt by association speculation.

I'm not saying it's impossible that there was official US involvement, but you have to accept that there isn't much evidence for it.

There is plenty of evidence if you know where to find it. This has been going on for awhile.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...iant-globalist-footprint-in-ukraine-s-turmoil


Many of the participants in Kiev’s “EuroMaidan” demonstrations were members of Soros-funded NGOs and/or were trained by the same NGOs in the many workshops and conferences sponsored by Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), and his various Open Society institutes and foundations. The IRF, founded and funded by Soros, boasts that it has given “more than any other donor organization” to “democratic transformation” of Ukraine.

The International Renaissance Foundation’s Annual Report for 2012, the latest available, states that, “IRF provided UAH 63 million in funding to civil society organizations — more than any other donor organization working in this field in Ukraine.” The “UAH” reference used above refers to the Ukraine Hryvnia, Ukraine’s currency, which is worth about 0.11 $US, or 11 cents in U.S. currency. That translates into roughly $6.7 million that IRF provided to Ukrainian groups in 2012; not a huge sum, by comparison to many other political and social campaigns, but more than merely “significant.” In the cash-starved Ukraine, Soros’s dollars go a long way toward seducing and co-opting all legitimate political opposition into the Soros-approved “progressive” camp.

According to the IRF’s own website, this one Soros conduit has funneled over $100 million into Ukrainian NGOs over the years:

Over the period from 1990 to 2010 the International Renaissance Foundation provided more than $100 million in support to numerous Ukrainian non-government organizations (NGOs), community groups, academic and cultural institutions, publishing houses, etc.

I'm shocked we have people blindly take the side of Soros and the internationalists in all this. Imagine if the Russian government actively fomented a color revolution in Ottawa or Toronto? Do you think we would be amused? I would be irate.
 
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