Pentagon Confirms US Troops Will Deploy to Ukraine in Spring

[AngryCanadian]

Crimea - major Russian naval base.
Eastern Ukraine - population is loyal to Russia and nukes
Makes complete sense.

Western Ukraine - doesn't really make sense except that they are wanting to join NATO and that puts NATO too close for comfort.

-t

Also Westren Ukraine is a hotspot of Ukrankian former fascists and members whom were part of the German Reich during the invasion and occupation of westren ukraine by the fascists.

 

[PredatorOC]

Crimea - major Russian naval base.
Eastern Ukraine - population is loyal to Russia and nukes
Makes complete sense.

Western Ukraine - doesn't really make sense except that they are wanting to join NATO and that puts NATO too close for comfort.

-t

First off, Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are part of a sovereign nation. It doesn't matter if they had sizeable Russian speaking populations. If ethnic minorities and ancestral lands become a legitimate casus belli in Europe again, then the continent will become a bloodbath once more.

Secondly, Ukraine wanting to join the EU or NATO does not mean they are Nazis or fascists. Hence the absurdity of claiming such things.

 

[PredatorOC]

Really? sounds to me russophobia is strong in here.

If your definition of russophobia is one where someone opposes one nation invading another, then yes, the russophobia is strong here.

The majority of the Ukrankian ministers and party official are members to the fascist nationalists and just recently Kiev during Christmas had a full blown Nazi torch march.

As the FSB/KGB-paid stooges like to say: where is the evidence?

I had no idea McCain's comment about Russia had such strong impact.

So Russian troops didn't enter Crimea, hold elections at gun point and then promptly annex Crimea and actually admit to doing so? Are you calling Great Leader Putin a liar?

Backing the Ukrankian fascists and supporting Islamist Terrorists is not being fascist is it now?

Calling someone a fascist does not make one a fascist. You actually need to form an argument.

 

[PredatorOC]

Also Westren Ukraine is a hotspot of Ukrankian former fascists and members whom were part of the German Reich during the invasion and occupation of westren ukraine by the fascists.

Western Ukraine is also a hotspot of Illuminati Lizard UFO activity.

Saying that means it's true, right? I don't have to offer any evidence to back it up, right? This is cool.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Western Ukraine is also a hotspot of Illuminati Lizard UFO activity.

Saying that means it's true, right? I don't have to offer any evidence to back it up, right? This is cool.

Sounds like you failed history lessons and your response just goes to shows how little you know of Ukraine i am not surprised by this at all. Just like how it was during before the wonderful Yugoslavian intervention.

The less Americans of a region and country and its history the better changes it will for your own American government to pass whatever it pleases.

I don't have to offer any evidence to back it up, right? This is cool.

I do, but whats the point? you seem to be an expert in this filed, next time you might as well just quote McCains we are all Ukrainians.

 

[PredatorOC]

Insults and misdirection. Is that all you have to support your claims, AngryCanadian?

 

[AngryCanadian]

If your definition of russophobia is one where someone opposes one nation invading another, then yes, the russophobia is strong here.



As the FSB/KGB-paid stooges like to say: where is the evidence?



So Russian troops didn't enter Crimea, hold elections at gun point and then promptly annex Crimea and actually admit to doing so? Are you calling Great Leader Putin a liar?








LOL at the source you posted.

Euromaidan PR



Next time your going to post me Syrian Rebel sources as proof of Assad crimes while you are at it.

Calling someone a fascist does not make one a fascist. You actually need to form an argument.

Posting sources from Euromaidan is like posting sources from the Syrian rebels, Euromaidan PR is reablie as kievpost

As the FSB/KGB-paid stooges like to say: where is the evidence?

One.
I am not an FSB/KGB-paid stooge, you might as well back away from accusing others of being paid agents to other governments if you dont have evidence to back it up but of course you dont.

I am sure you wouldn't wanted be a called a war monger or a McCain supporter in here or someone that supports American Aggression towards the eastern Ukrankians as you Americans have created the proxy war in Syria to.


I do have the evidences but why bother your probably just going to attack the sources as propaganda.

If your definition of russophobia is one where someone opposes one nation invading another, then yes,

If Russia wanted to invade Ukraine or any other nation they would send more then 6,000 forces.










But hey according to you and your Obama the Ukrankian government are not fascists at all. From now on your an Obama supporter, i fail to see you as someone whom stands up for liberty principals.

Last time i checked liberty minded folks dont support proxy conflicts which you do.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Oh and this is comical you idiots are still using that RT video of Putin talking the greenmen as Russians? as proof that Russia invaded Ukraine?


Oh and source on that video is comical.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Since you wanted proof. You can check out Tore
@potifar66 a freind of mine on there a former journalist has being following Ukraine quite heavily and his in Norway.


His sources will show you just how Democratic and none fascists your Westren Ukrainians are indeed. You American might as well brush up on the Ukrankian history before you continue further on either Syria or Ukraine for that matter.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Insults and misdirection. Is that all you have to support your claims, AngryCanadian?

1.I have not insulted u other then calling you an McCain supporter and war monger if you arent war monger you wouldn't be supporting the Ukrankian backed NATO government which its members in its minsters are not only fascists but none Ukrankian.

I have being following the crisis in Ukraine for two years and i am still not surprised how you war mongers whom are claiming to be liberty minded are now supporting a government in Ukraine that was brought by the NGO protests.

The same protests that destroyed Libya and the country itself. I found this part comical.


Western Ukraine is also a hotspot of Illuminati Lizard UFO activity.

This shows your true closet minded view point and how clueless either you are being clueless or just defending the nationalists and fascists which westren Ukraine is there stronghold and it has being since both world wars.


Really American Yankee why dont you start taking some history lessons on Ukraine before you start making stupid comments on it eh? oh wait now thanks to the MSM you think you know everything? LOL sure you do.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Sadly, Russian agitprop is strong on this forum.

Nazis? Fascism? Seriously? There was an anti-corruption / pro-EU protest on the Maidan, then Russia invades and annexes Crimea, after which Russia invades Eastern Ukraine and now the West are Nazis? Where is the logic in that?

According to you and Western MSM/NATO

Syria:Rebels Moderates
Ukraine:Government/Westren Ukraine Peaceful none fascists.

 

[PredatorOC]

LOL at the source you posted.

Euromaidan PR



Next time your going to post me Syrian Rebel sources as proof of Assad crimes while you are at it.



Posting sources from Euromaidan is like posting sources from the Syrian rebels, Euromaidan PR is reablie as kievpost

Notice how you don't actually address the issue at hand, but rather attack the source.

Here, let me repost them, in case you want to address either of them:

I am not an FSB/KGB-paid stooge, you might as well back away from accusing others of being paid agents to other governments if you dont have evidence to back it up but of course you dont.

I never said you were. I merely stated that asking for evidence at every claim is a favoured tactic of said stooges. Which isn't incorrect as such, mind you. We should ALL be providing evidence to back up our claims.

I do have the evidences but why bother your probably just going to attack the sources as propaganda.

Depends on the quality of the source. If it's an editorialized "news" piece from RT.com, then that is likely. For example, the links I posted have no outright editorializing. It's just Putin and Lavrov making contradictory claims about Russia's involvement in Ukraine. The other is an armed Russian/pro-Russian soldier standing beside voting booths and checking the vote. If you have something like that to back up your claims, I'm quite eager to hear you out.

Last time i checked liberty minded folks dont support proxy conflicts which you do.

I'm sorry for being rude, but you're out of your mind. What I don't support is a large, armed-to-the-teeth nation invading a poor country. Does that sound familiar?

And what I especially don't like is people calling that poor country fascist and it's populace Nazis for simply trying to defend themselves.

 

[pcosmar]

Western Ukraine is also a hotspot of Illuminati Lizard UFO activity.

Saying that means it's true, right? I don't have to offer any evidence to back it up, right? This is cool.

Sadly,, I cannot -rep you twice.
but this stupid shit really deserves it.

 

[PredatorOC]

Another Nazi sympathizer. Go away

It's curious how deeply Russian propaganda has seeped into an ideological movement which is antithetical to Putin's Russia.

Even more curious is that the Nazi smear is mostly meant for the Russian audience, as the Soviet Union used the fear of Nazism and fascism as catch-all propaganda against all things anti-Communist. That same propaganda still resonates in Russia, hence everyone being a fascist and a Nazi. And in addition to Russia, it seems to resonate with the liberty movement, or whatever you can call it at this stage, where it eagerly adopts labels like "fascist" and "Nazi" from RT.com.

But, yes, call me names, ban me, whatever it takes to maintain the integrity of this echo chamber.

Down with the fascists!

 

[The Gold Standard]

When Russia tries to annex Ohio I will be ready to wallow in their blood. Until then, let them fight their own fucking war.

 

[PredatorOC]

When Russia tries to annex Ohio I will be ready to wallow in their blood. Until then, let them fight their own fucking war.

That's fine. I wasn't calling for US involvement. The issue I have is labeling a people trying to free themselves from the remnants of the Soviet system and defending themselves from invasion by Russia as Nazis and fascists. They're already in war against an enemy better armed than them, they don't need the "liberty" movement stabbing them in the back for the crime of trying to be free.

 

[pcosmar]

It's curious how deeply Russian propaganda has seeped into

OH BULLSHIT.
I was following this story from well before the Nazi Coup.

It was not "Russian Propaganda",, it was spread across every news service in the fucking world.

It was not unexpected,, but it was disgusting to see our public officials backing this shit.

It is not surprising to me at all that many people in Ukraine reject this shit and want nothing to do with it.
It is no surprise that they would side with Russia.

Not propaganda,, just common sense.

 

[pcosmar]

That's fine. I wasn't calling for US involvement. The issue I have is labeling a people trying to free themselves from the remnants of the Soviet system

Bullshit again. This thread is directly about US involvement. Aside from the involvement that instigated the Coup,, but direct involvement with Troops on the Ground.

And the "Soviet System" has not existed since the 80s.
It is now just another socialist country like the rest of Europe. (Just bigger)

 

[PredatorOC]

OH BULLSHIT.
I was following this story from well before the Nazi Coup.

It was not "Russian Propaganda",, it was spread across every news service in the fucking world.

It was not unexpected,, but it was disgusting to see our public officials backing this shit.

It is not surprising to me at all that many people in America reject this shit and want nothing to do with it.
It is no surprise that they would side with Russia.

Not propaganda,, just common sense.

See how easy that is?

In any country you will find some percentage of people who support idiotic shit. Finding them is a trivial task. Showing that these people actually run the government, and hence warrant the entire country being called "fascist" or "Nazi" is an entirely different matter. Failing to do so and continuing to call them fascist and Nazis is called a guilt by association fallacy, which is another tactic greatly favored by the left.

 

[PredatorOC]

Bullshit again. This thread is directly about US involvement.

No, we've been discussing whether Ukrainians are Nazis and fascists.

And the "Soviet System" has not existed since the 80s.

Actually it has. Or, more precisely, it's logical continuation. See, when the Soviet Union collapsed, state-owned property was more or less transferred to the state bureaucrats. That's where the oligarchs come from. That's where Putin's power comes from. That is what the Ukrainian revolution was about.