Peace Blimp

[WaltM]

Sorry Trevor. :o
I will be donating, and happily, because I can still afford to donate my own money (thank God), still make those choices, (PTL). Thanks to all those who made that happen!

GOOD LUCK!
disclaimer:for all anthiests/agnos around here, no offense, but you catch my wave...

Oh, and I called chaos first, here on the boards.

who/WHERE is Walto?

peace!

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

Sorry Trevor. :o
I will be donating, and happily, because I can still afford to donate my own money (thank God), still make those choices, (PTL). Thanks to all those who made that happen!

GOOD LUCK!
disclaimer:for all anthiests/agnos around here, no offense, but you catch my wave...

Oh, and I called chaos first, here on the boards.

who/WHERE is Walto?

I don't worry about "WaltM" so don't worry. It's just Steve Parent under another sockpuppet name- like his other one "ItsTime", etc.

He tries to equate the Ron Paul blimp with negative controversy which is laughable. Some people have nothing better to do I guess. At least he keeps bumping the thread!

Remember- the blimp flew last time in spite of the people who couldn't stand seeing others take part in a project they liked. I guess they're control freaks?

As to why this would cost more than other peace rallies- they didn't have blimps and airplanes at multi city rallies and multiple times over months of time and they didn't need to overcome a bought out media who would not give any air time to cover their protests. We need to break through. If you remember there were massive protests against the war in '04 to '06 but there was no media coverage for them. With this we'll make sure we get it.

Anyone else with a BETTER idea should suggest it instead of being so negative. Some people are sick and can't help it though and we just have to endure them.

Troll on WaltM (I meant Steve Parent)!

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[MelissaWV]

Is that really good ole Steve? I'd been wondering what became of him Ah, the bad old days of the good old days. It's all coming back.

At least this time I'm a better-funded, better-fed, slimmer, happier, far-more-loved, far-less-maligned version of myself this go-round.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

So looking forward to seeing the blimps fly!

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

End The FED/Audit The FED/Legalize Competing Currencies/Sound Money

I think for sure one side of the blimp could read "Audit the Fed".

We're using this tool for people to make suggestions and vote on them.

http://peaceblimp.uservoice.com/forums/39876-what-should-the-blimp-say-

And if anyone knows of any good videos or articles on how the fed funds the war I would definitely be able to incorporate them into this project.

A project to end the wars should definitely talk about what enables them. I just need materials that will do that without bringing in lots of other issues that will cause division. If the materials are only about the fed and don't make the connection to how the fed fuels war they also don't really do the trick.

thanks for the suggestion!

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

And if we get this off the ground (even if only plan #1 http://www.peaceblimp.com/specs.html ) it offers a chance for the left and the right to have speakers speak out on the blimp and other issues. This is great exposure for all our ideas and will create lots of discussion. It's a great way to connect with the left.

 

[MelissaWV]

I don't think enough people know where each dollar collected from the population goes. This, of course, would not go on the blimp, but it'd make a great video about waste. People have this notion that they pay their taxes, and that money goes to fund noble projects, build roads, clothe orphans, feed the starving, help old ladies cross the street safely, and prevent evil-doers from invading and destroying our way of life.

Without propagandizing it, the information could be put forth in a nice, simple way. Think along the lines of "How It's Made" or any of those other television shows.

I think for sure one side of the blimp could read "Audit the Fed".

We're using this tool for people to make suggestions and vote on them.

http://peaceblimp.uservoice.com/forums/39876-what-should-the-blimp-say-

And if anyone knows of any good videos or articles on how the fed funds the war I would definitely be able to incorporate them into this project.

A project to end the wars should definitely talk about what enables them. I just need materials that will do that without bringing in lots of other issues that will cause division. Or if they are only about the fed and don't make the connection they also don't really do the trick.

thanks for the suggestion!

 

[Ethek]

Anyone else with a BETTER idea should suggest it instead of being so negative. Some people are sick and can't help it though and we just have to endure them.
(I meant Steve Parent)!

The War is bad, it needs to stop, but it will not. People are too insecure. A spectre of a blimp, while visible will not make people anymore secure. Has anyone seen black sunday?

http://gadsdenunion.ning.com/profiles/blogs/what-if-people-had-better-self

Government will not stop this war any more than Government will stop perpetuating itself. Its up to the individual memembers of society to take power out of the hands of Gov. Right now the most direct route is to deny Gov power to devalue peoples time and savings. Trade instead of using currency. Barter the goods you make or trade knowledge via a bittorrent like exchange. My work lately has been to setup a portal, decentralized to facilitate this. There is also another component to this im not talking about, somethin that feeds peoples narcisism and provides value to any trade of services and works completely outside realm of politics if needed.

The other component is my concept for Gadsden Union, basically a framework for liberty organizations to work under in the absence of a working constitution as suggested by G Edward Griffin.

These are my ideas. Im not saying with any authority they are better than a blimp and I am not going to trash the blimp. I do think if it comes around it would be far more visible than a blimp.

 

[bucfish]

I think for sure one side of the blimp could read "Audit the Fed".

We're using this tool for people to make suggestions and vote on them.

http://peaceblimp.uservoice.com/forums/39876-what-should-the-blimp-say-

And if anyone knows of any good videos or articles on how the fed funds the war I would definitely be able to incorporate them into this project.

A project to end the wars should definitely talk about what enables them. I just need materials that will do that without bringing in lots of other issues that will cause division. If the materials are only about the fed and don't make the connection to how the fed fuels war they also don't really do the trick.

thanks for the suggestion!

The short Essay, "The Roots of War" by Ayn Rand clearly shows the connection between Fiat Currency and wars. Ron Paul also has a short article similar.

 

[SwordOfShannarah]

The short Essay, "The Roots of War" by Ayn Rand clearly shows the connection between Fiat Currency and wars. Ron Paul also has a short article similar.

I'm not finding anything by that title. Do you have any links for either of these? Thanks for the help.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[WaltM]

I don't worry about "WaltM" so don't worry. It's just Steve Parent under another sockpuppet name- like his other one "ItsTime", etc.

no, I'm not steve

He tries to equate the Ron Paul blimp with negative controversy which is laughable. Some people have nothing better to do I guess. At least he keeps bumping the thread!

Yes, I intend to bump the thread, and not equating RP Blimp with negative controversy, in fact I'm saying the negative controversy examples I've given were more positive than the blimp made.

In case it's not obvious, the blimp was only covered because it was a pioneer/pilot in political advertising with a blimp. It's less likely going to happen again.

Remember- the blimp flew last time in spite of the people who couldn't stand seeing others take part in a project they liked. I guess they're control freaks?

Let people spend the money they like, I won't give my approval though.

As to why this would cost more than other peace rallies- they didn't have blimps and airplanes at multi city rallies and multiple times over months of time and they didn't need to overcome a bought out media who would not give any air time to cover their protests.

So you're saying a blimp is the only and best way to cut through the bought out media, and you can calculate "how much it was worth"?

We need to break through. If you remember there were massive protests against the war in '04 to '06 but there was no media coverage for them. With this we'll make sure we get it.

Which one is it? Getting media coverage or getting your own publicity bypassing them?

Anyone else with a BETTER idea should suggest it instead of being so negative. Some people are sick and can't help it though and we just have to endure them.

Troll on WaltM (I meant Steve Parent)!

Better idea?

Let's see!

New York City has 8M population, how long must the blimp fly to reach 1M of it?

Hold that thought there, how many bumper stickers & window decals can you make with $500k. (Hint, at least a million, postage to each requester included)

That's an extremely simplified example, how much money does it cost to fly a blimp to reach 1M people, vs having 1M bumper stickers driving around the country?

Don't give me this "peace rallies don't need to overcome the media" rant, Tea Parties are the other example, if you can't create your own rallies, hijack the ones that are covered, they did it to us, we can do it to THEM (the mainstream partisan activists), none of this requires anywhere near $1M (did I get that # right? 100K x $10?)

 

[WaltM]

how much did this coverage cost?

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...g_at_a_lack_of_common_sense_as_son_buste.html

 

[JeNNiF00F00]

The blimp idea is like govt. It didnt work the first time, why would it work this time. Govt sucks, why increase it? Same thought process.

 

[MelissaWV]

I don't read bumper stickers. Most of the cars that have them seem to be falling apart, and held together with bumper stickers. In general, I just quietly scoot away from these in traffic

There are gimmick campaigns that work (how much money, exactly, did it take to get "Rick Rolled"?), and there are advertising methods that require money and planning.

For some reason, you seem very fixated on the proposed amount, without noticing that THIS time there are stated contingencies for smaller dreams. Maybe enough won't be raised for the big huge blimp. Maybe it will be airplanes at multiple cities with banners flying behind them.

Oh, and how difficult is it to get 1,000,000 people to see your message?

Well, 75,000-80,000 people at a football game, more tailgating outside, more drinking in the vicinity, more watching at home, and all the citizens within sight of the thing maneuvering through the skies...

Publicity is really a lot more about timing/location than money, but money can help buy you a better shot at both those ingredients.

 

[WaltM]

The blimp idea is like govt. It didnt work the first time, why would it work this time. Govt sucks, why increase it? Same thought process.

I don't think the first time was a complete failure, but I don't think its redoable.

 

[WaltM]

I don't read bumper stickers. Most of the cars that have them seem to be falling apart, and held together with bumper stickers. In general, I just quietly scoot away from these in traffic

So why should I trust you'll look up in the sky for the blimp or chemtrails?

There are gimmick campaigns that work (how much money, exactly, did it take to get "Rick Rolled"?), and there are advertising methods that require money and planning.

Yes, there are things that cost money, and not all are worthy.

For some reason, you seem very fixated on the proposed amount, without noticing that THIS time there are stated contingencies for smaller dreams.

Yes, I didn't notice, and I won't be the first one asking these questions.

Maybe enough won't be raised for the big huge blimp. Maybe it will be airplanes at multiple cities with banners flying behind them.

Yes, and what's wrong with that? Beer campaigns do it all the time.

Oh, and how difficult is it to get 1,000,000 people to see your message?

Well, 75,000-80,000 people at a football game, more tailgating outside, more drinking in the vicinity, more watching at home, and all the citizens within sight of the thing maneuvering through the skies...

so if done right, simply one day?

How much would one good blimp day cost?

Publicity is really a lot more about timing/location than money, but money can help buy you a better shot at both those ingredients.

agreed.

 

[WaltM]

There are gimmick campaigns that work (how much money, exactly, did it take to get "Rick Rolled"?)

that's exactly why it went viral, it cost nothing, and made nothing in return.

 

[MelissaWV]

that's exactly why it went viral, it cost nothing, and made nothing in return.

It made a very short comeback for a very washed-up singer who had nothing to do with the thing going viral

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The planes-with-banners information, by the way, was what I got from actually going to the website in the OP. Wouldn't it be helpful to learn such information before criticizing?

Having 10, 20 or more cities holding anti-war rallies simultaneously will ensure the media will cover the events. It will also be a great way to market and build momentum for greater funding for the blimp. Airplanes run a few thousand per plane per day, so with approximately $25-$50K we will be able to do something significant.

There are smaller blimps that actually light up from the inside and can be flown at night that are much less expensive than the large blimps. These blimps run approximately $80K-$100K per month. They can be deflated and driven from location to location which makes them much more flexible in terms of scheduling for events. Large blimps are always full of helium and must be flown from location to location, at 30mph it takes large blimps a much longer time period to move from place to place.

A large blimp can run around $400K per month (with a team). The main advantage of large blimps are that media, celebrities, politicians and more can all take rides in the blimp. This significantly ups the draw and publicity generating power of the blimp project and so significantly improves it's ability to generate the political pressure necessary to end the war.

To have the largest impact we could combine all of the options listed above with monthly (or even weekly) multi-city anti-war protests. Large blimps, smaller blimps and advertising airplanes in conjunction with multi-city anti war protests will be an incredible nationwide spectacle that will unquestionably show the support of the people to end the wars. This is our goal.