PCWorld: Get Internet Access When Your Government Shuts It Down

Radio (HF) with a rotating cipher is the best method of cheap reliable long distance communications. Of course, nothing beats a scout either, but that is worst case scenario...If any militia ever needs a radioman, I would be your guy :p

I wouldn't bother with Morse Code to be honest...easily 'cracked', and if you plan on using HF with Morse Code, then you will need to have DES capabilities, and if you have that there is little point to bother with Morse...
 
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amy Imagine the internet as if you'd look down on the US at night and saw all the roads lit and if you look down at a major city you'd see many many small roads in the suburbs area that are slowly connecting to bigger roads which eventually reach a highway.

What the government can do with the internet is block all the highways. So even though you can travel down a few small roads and communicate between you and your neighbor for example you can't reach the highway and therefor you can't reach the rest of the world. And it doesn't matter whether you want to travel by car, a bike, a bus or a scooter (landlines, optical fibers, satellite, radio transmitions). As long as the highway is blocked your ISP can't give you access to the rest of the world even though they might give you access to them.

What I'm trying to say is that the government with destroying those key points wouldn't shut down your ISP but only cut it off from the rest of the world. And if you aren't connected to the rest of the world, the internet becomes pretty useless.
 
And I'm not saying that this is what they did in Egypt but only that in my country for example they could do it by merely having access to a single building. (we are a very small country though)
 
roho76 said:
How possible would it be to set up a independent network outside of the governments control? There was a thread that Gunny started that I can no longer find that addressed this very subject. IF anybody can find it please post. This whole Egypt government communication shut down thing is really scary and will happen here most assuredly when we have our revolution.

I read an article someone posted about companies in the city using light to send info between buildings and it sounded pretty neat. Something like this using Daihinia which is discussed in this article would be a liberty orientated solution to the internet.

The independent network would rely on everybody buying a receiver/transmitter in order to be a part of the network. It could be HAM Radio based or 802.11 but I like light based because of speed. In my business we use these IR sensors with transmitters and receivers called light curtains to tell if someone has entered a certain area and they will stop a machine so they don't get hurt. How hard would it be to setup to send blazing fast signal through pulsed light. You could buy the components to add yourself to the network and put up on an over the air TV antenna tower attached to your house. Then you would line it up with your neighbors and then your mac ID would be added to the network. It would be independent of current ISP's and harder for the government to shut down because all they could do was shut down one node but what ever it was they were trying to shut down would then just be put up on some other node. Imagine the ground hog effect. Everybody would run there own servers so there is no central hosting company that would be taken down. If I wanted to connect to someone in CA it would run its course through the shortest path available and if one section of the network was shut down it would just go around it.

Would this be to slow/cumbersome/hard? Anybody else have some ideas. I really like the idea of purchasing the equipment to add yourself to the network. You could even come up with devices that use this open network like cellphones.
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ham band "local" area networks. It's against the law to share it to an internet connection. it's rigidly local.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
ham band "local" area networks. It's against the law to share it to an internet connection. it's rigidly local.
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it's a little absurd, but what i wanted to do was to make ham band networks and share processor cycles and make "neighborhood supercomputers" (independently owned and operated)
 
Austrian Econ Disciple said:
Radio (HF) with a rotating cipher is the best method of cheap reliable long distance communications. Of course, nothing beats a scout either, but that is worst case scenario...If any militia ever needs a radioman, I would be your guy :p

I wouldn't bother with Morse Code to be honest...easily 'cracked', and if you plan on using HF with Morse Code, then you will need to have DES capabilities, and if you have that there is little point to bother with Morse...
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Felony!
 
it's interesting,but it would be easy to shut-down...especially the wireless mesh network; all you'd have to do is introduce a a moderate amount of junk traffic and it'd swamp everyone. Likewise, just jamming the airways with useless 2.4GHz waves from a central location would screw things up as well. On top of that are obvious security issues. It's a good idea, but it's only going to work if (1) you're within a short range of a neighbor who's also participating (2)your neighbor actually co-operates.

Packet and amateur radio would likely be a much better way to communicate, as the system is already in place, and has been so for years.
 
Austrian Econ Disciple said:
Radio (HF) with a rotating cipher is the best method of cheap reliable long distance communications. Of course, nothing beats a scout either, but that is worst case scenario...If any militia ever needs a radioman, I would be your guy :p

I wouldn't bother with Morse Code to be honest...easily 'cracked', and if you plan on using HF with Morse Code, then you will need to have DES capabilities, and if you have that there is little point to bother with Morse...
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DES-XL is even better, as it doesn't have the range limitation that regular DES has. That said, both are crackable, but it's going to take a long while to do...and if you use alternating keys (which means you have to have a keyloader), well, it'll take them forever.
 
Fox McCloud said:
DES-XL is even better, as it doesn't have the range limitation that regular DES has. That said, both are crackable, but it's going to take a long while to do...and if you use alternating keys (which means you have to have a keyloader), well, it'll take them forever.
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Aye. However, remember that in order to communicate everyone must have all the same keys loaded. Keyloading is plenty easy in and of itself. Once I get out of the military if anyone wants to know how the systems work and what the prices are like then feel free to shoot me a PM. Just remember though, if you ever think you are going to get captured, or the equipment found ZERO IT, and never write down any keys whatsoever.
 
Austrian Econ Disciple said:
Aye. However, remember that in order to communicate everyone must have all the same keys loaded. Keyloading is plenty easy in and of itself. Once I get out of the military if anyone wants to know how the systems work and what the prices are like then feel free to shoot me a PM. Just remember though, if you ever think you are going to get captured, or the equipment found ZERO IT, and never write down any keys whatsoever.
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Depending on the keyloader, zeroing it out in time would be difficult. That said, if you have your radio on you, simply disconnecting the battery would be the easiest way to erase the key, as it's stored in volatile memory on the module itself.
 
Fox McCloud said:
it's interesting,but it would be easy to shut-down...especially the wireless mesh network; all you'd have to do is introduce a a moderate amount of junk traffic and it'd swamp everyone. Likewise, just jamming the airways with useless 2.4GHz waves from a central location would screw things up as well. On top of that are obvious security issues. It's a good idea, but it's only going to work if (1) you're within a short range of a neighbor who's also participating (2)your neighbor actually co-operates.

Packet and amateur radio would likely be a much better way to communicate, as the system is already in place, and has been so for years.
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Actually you are right, the shared processor cycles weren't meant to go over the HamBand, those were the local nodes (neighbohoods) that can use existing infrastructure to network together. Use the virtual supercomputer then to admin that local network and manage the HamBand (WAN) node to the next city(s) over. It's been a while since I thought about this, and the drawings are stuffed away who knows where after all this campaigning stuff lol. That was one of the first design changes...
 
roho76 said:
How possible would it be to set up a independent network outside of the governments control?
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Not very. If you stick to land lines, you are at the mercy of the telecoms who own them. They are under direct control of government via law, FCC regulations, and plain old brute force. I have found that telecoms are one of the ultimate go-along-to-get-along crowds out there. I've worked for all the big ones and the culture is largely the same across the board.

If you go radio, you are directly under FCC control. Yes, you can do it anyway, but if you are caught, not only can FCC penalties put you behind the 8-ball, PATRIOT provisions may see you in a dark, dank cell, depending on how serious "they" are, who you are, what you have been up to, and how serious the general situation is. Under circumstances of limited severity, it is probably reasonably possible to put together a wireless network, but if big poo hits the fan, it will become very hazardous to engage in such activities if the so-called "government" decides they are serious about you not doing so.

Communications is under very tight control at the infrastructure level and always has been. So long as those in power are having their way with no stress, people can have all the phone sex and conspiracy discussions they please. When things get tight, that can change in an instant. The situation in Egypt is the first example of this happening on a wide scale basis and we can see how effectively it cuts people off from information.
 
What about the concept of 'quantum-entanglement'? (I don't really know what is being discussed but it seems pertinent.)

http://archive.mises.org/16702/is-there-hope-for-liberty-in-our-lifetime/

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Freedom Fighter April 29, 2011 at 10:48 am

If we could develop a networking system which employs non-hertzian information carriers and which is content addressable as opposed to physically addressable, then there would be no way to shut down such a network nor to track down the origin of the content, this would bring absolute freedom to the users of such a system.

Something like using quantum entanglement, background noise etc. as the carrier, those could not be traced back to the sender. So people could just look for music, news and information and swap those back and forth without ever running the risk of getting caught. They could even offer the sale and purchase of controversial goods.

Plus, you would not need to pay internet access fees, it would be free. Such a quantum net would be free and incapable of shutting down.
 
It is kind of funny in one way, and pitiful in another that the masses are so afraid of the few. They should fear even thinking of doing this and fear the consequences if they do. Damn, at some point if this present course is continued there will have to be a confrontation. This situation is not sustainable.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Yes, or grid computing, cluster computing, etc etc, but hyper-local and wired infrastructure based on an extremely local computing grid.
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I would really like to learn more about this. I am also interested in learning, for lack of a better term, lower tech, lower cost tools for community and infrastructure rebuilding for when the state recedes, unraveling in bankruptcy and corruption.
 
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