Paypal's Potential Passing -- Dwolla May Increase Profits of Online Fundraising

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So, most of us are familiar with Paypal, now. Many assume it's their only option for receiving funds with in fundraising - and perhaps there are libertarian merchants tired of the fees, too.There are four ways most consumers use it -- either they tie it to a bank account, put money in it and use it as an online bank account, use it as a credit card ("Pay Later"), or simply use it as a credit/debit card processor.

Whereas Paypal charges something like $.30 + 2.9%, Dwolla charges a flat $.25 for transactions over $10. Someone donates $1000? $.25 using Dwolla. But... what happens when someone donates less than $10? The transaction is free! Dwolla today announced it's instant, too - so there is no longer a need to have money in the Dwolla account -- having a tethered bank account with the cash in it is now enough. It also essentially can act as an online credit card, now -- if a consumer doesn't have a tethered bank account with the cash, Dwolla will make a temporary loan to the consumer (a "Pay Later" program).

What Dwolla does not do, and will never do, is process plastic cards - and this may be a deal-breaker for many. So -- what are you to do? You can at least reduce fees by offering both options -- PayPal AND Dwolla. Dwolla saves you money, and Paypal.... well, it still has a place - but Dwolla's catching on fast. It's the primary middle-man for Bitcoin purchases because the fees are so low, and the company's quite reasonable in policy.

For fundraisers and donors, you can check out Dwolla here - and for merchants, you can scope out e-commerce software supporting Dwolla here.
 
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Cool....first I've heard of it.

I wonder who accepts payment via Dwolla?
 
Is Dwolla vetted? It took some thought and paranoia on my part to give PAYPAL my bank account info.... (of course this was back a ways when they weren't so well known).

If it is reputable, I'd go with whatever left Ron with the most money.
 
Is Dwolla vetted? It took some thought and paranoia on my part to give PAYPAL my bank account info.... (of course this was back a ways when they weren't so well known).

If it is reputable, I'd go with whatever left Ron with the most money.
I've been using it for months. My only gripe was that Dwolla required cash to be transferred from a bank account to the Dwolla account, which took days -- but this issue no longer exists as of the implementation of "Instant."

Other than that, I believe they require you submit a scanned copy of photo ID to ensure "you" are you, and are quite stringent about not permitting chargebacks until they've held a little arbitration hearing. This was a huge reason people selling Bitcoins decided to go with it - because it was hard to prove you sent Bitcoins to the proper person, and Paypal would freeze assets and close accounts of people with too many chargebacks (on top of the merchant being screwed out of the money they were forced to refund even though they delivered the goods).
 
I was hoping gpal (gun pal) would have not fk'd up a good thing. I used it quite a few times.
 
Oh -- afaik, Dwolla currently only handles USD which might be a problem, but it could be resolved by accepting Paypal as well. Paypal is equipped to handle something like 20-25 different currencies.
 
I have mixed feelings about Paypal going downhill. On one hand, I hate paypal, on the other hand its founder is a prominent libertarian...
 
I have mixed feelings about Paypal going downhill. On one hand, I hate paypal, on the other hand its founder is a prominent libertarian...
Dwolla Founder Ben Milne seems fantastically bright, has very outside-the-box thinking, doesn't care for complying with gov't regulations, and appears to very-highly value trust. He'll be dealing with a lot of folks in Silicon Valley, and likely even Peter Thiel - and I think that environment with his personality and ideals will give us one more extraordinary prominent libertarian changing the way the world works in revolutionary ways. I'm genuinely excited to see how Milne changes as he's looked at more as an entrepreneurial leader than a clever tinkerer. I think his outward appearance will change significantly as he becomes more confident and his changes are well-noted and thought of as irrefutably beneficial to the world.

It's worth noting Milne contends that Dwolla is not intended to rival Paypal, but credit cards themselves. I think he's either being a little secretive or hasn't thought that out enough. If Dwolla becomes a mainstream alternative to companies like Visa, Paypal lost its primary advantage of convenience over Dwolla. If Dwolla replaces Visa, Dwolla replaces Paypal, because without Visa, Paypal can't compete with Dwolla.
 
Iowa start-up! :)
Yeah, I was thinking about that, too. I wonder how much press he could get in endorsing Ron Paul. He's based right in Des Moines and doesn't seem interested in moving.

edit: I sent an email inquiring about this. Don't expect a response, but it sure would be interesting.
 
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