Paul Supporters Hound Guiliani in FL

[bcreps85]

The only real threats we have are Romney and McCain, in that order. Romney because he has been doing well and McCain because he's got a lot of support, even though not as much...many people I know are considering him...probably because they know his name, because they don't seem to understand his stance on the issues.

Huckabee is a joke, and he's gonna wash out soon enough. Guliani is an idiot, and most people have already started to realize it...neither of them will be a threat in the end game.

 

[PatriotG]

In my opinion hounding other candidates, chasing TV hosts, yelling profanity at pollsters, calling in with shrill complaints to talk show hosts, and spewing consipracy about MSM/911/CFR/Trilaterals etc etc. does nothing but damage to Ron Paul.

You guys in Florida should be canvassing likely voters. Dress halfway nice and go talk to them door to door or at least leave lit.

I agree with all of this except the MSM portion. This is fact not CT.

People absolutley need to be made aware that the media will mislead with not necessarily lies but truth removed and or hidden. They should be told to read. Between the lines and seek out fact because it will not be delivered to them. This can only help RPs campaign not harm it.

Otherwise you are right on the money. Heckling a, d' harrasing is not the way to go with this campaign. Even with the puppet news men

 

[Abyss19562]

If McCain got elected we would see some major major wars because he's such a warmonger and a military guy so we would be a military dictatorship and some major wars if he were to be elected.

Hounding a candidate isn't going to do any good in my opinion.

 

[expatinireland]

Hmm. What were 60-year-olds doing when they were young?

Chicago's finest at work in 68. I was 16 at the time and my parents wouldn't let me out of the house or I would have joined my older brother at this event.

Looking back objectively on those days, active protesters made up a small percentage of the youth - at most 5%. Of course amongst those in college the anti-war percentage was much higher but the fact remains that most of the population was behind the war for the longest time.

So when you are out calling on boomers, just realise that at least 9 out of 10 were not out protesting the Vietnam war.

 

[RockEnds]

Chicago's finest at work in 68. I was 16 at the time and my parents wouldn't let me out of the house or I would have joined my older brother at this event.

Looking back objectively on those days, active protesters made up a small percentage of the youth - at most 5%. Of course amongst those in college the anti-war percentage was much higher but the fact remains that most of the population was behind the war for the longest time.

So when you are out calling on boomers, just realise that at least 9 out of 10 were not out protesting the Vietnam war.

Yeah, I was little then. My dad supported the war. I thought he was a crazy monster, and I prayed I'd never have sons for the government to draft!

I have to say, though, that the protests this summer sparked something in the minds of today's over 70 crowd. They really, really want to avoid seeing this again. The thought of it makes them want to vote to end the war.

People on here get to thinking that 'old people' are somehow socially virginal. They seem to forget that they've lived through far more social turbulance than we are seeing today.

 

[Orgoonian]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/05/mccain_cornyn_cursing_showdown.html


Beginning to show? Jeez, the guy is half cocked at all times.

I wonder why more hasn't been made of him telling Senator John Cornyn, (Republican Senator from Texas who led the defeat of John McCain's attempt to pass the McCain-Kennedy- Amnesty- Act) to go FUCK HIMSELF?

When a U.S. Senator tells another one to go fuck himself, and that he hasn't any right to debate the idea, you'd think it would have earned more air play.

As pissed as McCain gets at guys IN HIS OWN PARTY, I'd hate to see him with his fingers on the button of Americas nuclear arsenal. The world wouldn't last ten minutes after inauguration, and he'd be launching something against someone.

He is simply nuts.

Wow,i forgot about that episode,thanks for the link.

 

[abbgt1]

I don't get it....

Why hound any other candidates. Go do some door to door instead in your own neighborhood. Signs in front yards (not public right of way) are what make a difference. Make calls or write letters. Why hassle anyone?

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

why complain about others efforts? if you have a better idea THEN DO IT. I personally do not believe in screaming and yelling at other candidates or talking down on their supporters BUT at least those that are doing that are at least DOING SOMETHING.

Freedom is something that is looked at from many angles and we the people can express it however we damn well please as long as it is LEGAL.

We dont HAVE to be straight laced and perfect when supporting a president and those who think that way are just as brainwashed as the rest.

We need to wake up, some are damn mad right now and with that comes some anger. I would be thankful some have not rioted in the streets knowing how pissed off some people are.

OUR NATION IS GOING TO SHIT, that in itself is something to stand up for. If you have a method that works for you DO IT.

Look what can happen to those even with "peaceful" protesting for Gods sake
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1650

watch that video, we are not only trying to change the nation from our president down BUT also from the ground up. It is not something that a nice knock on the door is going to do BUT MANY different methods. We have to create news sometimes to get air time for ron paul and I see nothing wrong with that.

We protested at the local fox station during their debate that they left him out of and he got some free air time. We all have our own methods and the freedoms we all want to keep might be different from others.

We have some who are pro-choice and some that are pro-life that support ron paul BUT that issue is not what is keeping ron paul out of office BUT our entire nation upside down in its thinking. We need to put our petty bullshit aside and focus on the BIG PICTURE.

 

[RockEnds]

So let him march; let him make prayer pilgrimages to the city hall; let him go on freedom rides -and try to understand why he must do so. If his repressed emotions are not released in nonviolent ways, they will seek expression through violence; this is not a threat but a fact of history. So I have not said to my people: "Get rid of your discontent." Rather, I have tried to say that this normal and healthy discontent can be channeled into the creative outlet of nonviolent direct action. And now this approach is being termed extremist. But though I was initially disappointed at being categorized as an extremist, as I continued to think about the matter I gradually gained a measure of satisfaction from the label. Was not Jesus an extremist for love: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Was not Amos an extremist for justice: "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever flowing stream." Was not Paul an extremist for the Christian gospel: "I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Was not Martin Luther an extremist: "Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise, so help me God." And John Bunyan: "I will stay in jail to the end of my days before I make a butchery of my conscience." And Abraham Lincoln: "This nation cannot survive half slave and half free." And Thomas Jefferson: "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal . . ." So the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be. Will we be extremists for hate or for love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice or for the extension of justice? In that dramatic scene on Calvary's hill three men were crucified. We must never forget that all three were crucified for the same crime--the crime of extremism. Two were extremists for immorality, and thus fell below their environment. The other, Jesus Christ, was an extremist for love, truth and goodness, and thereby rose above his environment. Perhaps the South, the nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists.

Martin Luther King, Jr.
Letter from Birmingham Jail

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html


http://www.youtube.com/v/gQgh29_iyfc&rel=1

 

[all J's in IL for RP]

why complain about others efforts? if you have a better idea THEN DO IT. I personally do not believe in screaming and yelling at other candidates or talking down on their supporters BUT at least those that are doing that are at least DOING SOMETHING.

Freedom is something that is looked at from many angles and we the people can express it however we damn well please as long as it is LEGAL.

We dont HAVE to be straight laced and perfect when supporting a president and those who think that way are just as brainwashed as the rest.

We need to wake up, some are damn mad right now and with that comes some anger. I would be thankful some have not rioted in the streets knowing how pissed off some people are.

OUR NATION IS GOING TO SHIT, that in itself is something to stand up for. If you have a method that works for you DO IT.

Look what can happen to those even with "peaceful" protesting for Gods sake
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1650

watch that video, we are not only trying to change the nation from our president down BUT also from the ground up. It is not something that a nice knock on the door is going to do BUT MANY different methods. We have to create news sometimes to get air time for ron paul and I see nothing wrong with that.

We protested at the local fox station during their debate that they left him out of and he got some free air time. We all have our own methods and the freedoms we all want to keep might be different from others.

We have some who are pro-choice and some that are pro-life that support ron paul BUT that issue is not what is keeping ron paul out of office BUT our entire nation upside down in its thinking. We need to put our petty bullshit aside and focus on the BIG PICTURE.

Perhaps taking it to the extreme will illustrate a point. Suppose in the next candidate debate, a Ron Paul supporter thinks Ron isn't getting enough air time and decides he ought to do something about it. So rips off all his closes, runs up on the stage with his Ron Paul placard and starts doing an Indian rain dance around John McCain. He will likely have accomplished his goal. But was it the right thing to do?

 

[RockEnds]

Perhaps taking it to the extreme will illustrate a point. Suppose in the next candidate debate, a Ron Paul supporter thinks Ron isn't getting enough air time and decides he ought to do something about it. So rips off all his closes, runs up on the stage with his Ron Paul placard and starts doing an Indian rain dance around John McCain. He will likely have accomplished his goal. But was it the right thing to do?

The debate is inside. Rain is outside. How would making it rain help Ron Paul get more airtime? Will the thunder gods even respond to an indoor dance? I don't get it. Is it supposed to make sense?

 

[monkeymynd]

What is funny about this thread, is how sad it is that many are falling for the media spin once again. You guys should know better.

Did anyone ever consider that the Ron Paul supporters were simply there to raise awareness of Ron Paul?

I was there, and we were extremely respectful of the meet & greet and other supporters. Many Rudy supporters were talking to us about the issues and we even recruited a few people. The reason that the 'commotion' began was because there were a few Rudy supporters who were physically aggressive to us. Trust me, I've got it on video. And, the pro-life guys were not with us and really just came out of nowhere. They were quite vocal in their dislike of Rudy and that really riled his supporters up.

So, for those of you who fell for an article that spins the situation to make Paul supporters look bad, maybe more attention should be paid to the fact that at least we are on the ground and raising awareness.

 

[all J's in IL for RP]

I MIGHT believe it if I saw video, but I've been told too many time not to "believe the media spin because [the press] is against us" only to later see video confirming the reports. Dogging Rudy with ever-present Ron Paul signs is fine, but disrupting his press conference, if that's what happened, is out and out stupid.

It might tear down Rudy's chances wherever he goes, but it doesn't BOOST Ron Paul at all.

 

[RockEnds]

What is funny about this thread, is how sad it is that many are falling for the media spin once again. You guys should know better.

Did anyone ever consider that the Ron Paul supporters were simply there to raise awareness of Ron Paul?

I was there, and we were extremely respectful of the meet & greet and other supporters. Many Rudy supporters were talking to us about the issues and we even recruited a few people. The reason that the 'commotion' began was because there were a few Rudy supporters who were physically aggressive to us. Trust me, I've got it on video. And, the pro-life guys were not with us and really just came out of nowhere. They were quite vocal in their dislike of Rudy and that really riled his supporters up.

So, for those of you who fell for an article that spins the situation to make Paul supporters look bad, maybe more attention should be paid to the fact that at least we are on the ground and raising awareness.

Most of them have simply failed to realize what we're up against. They think the game is fair. They believe if they can weed out those 'few radical, fringe' supporters, Dr. Paul's image in the press will improve. They don't understand that we're trying to change the power base of the world. They don't understand that the game is rigged to protect and preserve that power base. They don't understand that we will be called radical and fringe until we've communicated the message in its entirety to a majority of Americans. That should be our job. Not worrying about what the press is spinning against us today.