Paul supporters 'freak out' town clerk

[diesirae]

diesirae, can't you see that this woman is part of the evil, malicious, pre meditated, power mad NWO election fraud conspiracy. and if you can't see that then it can only be because you are a part of it.

Gosh, I hope this is a joke...

 

[Ozwest]

Every public official in this country to bend over backwards to ensure that the system is completely transparent, so they can prove beyond any doubt that everyone involved is working in the interest of the citizens.

That's the way it should be. +1

 

[Fight-n-Mad]

This is as transparent as humanly possible, short of someone inventing time travel to observe the mistake exactly.

So you're saying that there's no way to take a vote without simply having to trust the explanations given when irregularities are questioned?

 

[CJP]

Hey everyone. We should just be thrilled to have an expert in the field of elections like diesirae, who happens to be a RP supporter and coincidently joined 3 days ago and is posting ad nauseum defending a voting official who seems to either be grossly incompetent or fraudulent. I mean how convenient is that for us all?

Seriously, why are we even talking to her? She is obviously a "fraud" gatekeeper.

Ohh! I see now, diesirae is part of the conspiracy too! It all makes sense now.


I rest my case.

See ya later kids!

Until we meet again, please learn what "fraud" is, and... for the love of liberty,

leave the woman alone.

 

[diesirae]

So you're saying that there's no way to take a vote without simply having to trust the explanations given when irregularities are questioned?

What are you talking about? She pinpointed how the mistake occured, and fixed it? There's nothing more to do -- I mean, you could videotape the whole thing or something maybe, but she can't do any more here.

 

[Molly1]

Read the article -- it specifically gives his name, and explains how it could have happened. I'm getting this information from the article we are discussing and which you appear to have not read.

It even specifically gives a mechanism whereby Call thinks the mistake could have occurred. Your questions will all be answered through the power of actually reading the article!

OK let's read the article.

The error was made by someone 'unknown.' The claim was sent in by 'the office.'

Human error, by someone unknown, caused Call's office to claim Paul received zero votes from the town during Tuesday's first-in-the-nation primary.



All is well, the mistake is corrected the next morning.

The mistake was corrected early the next morning, but that hardly mattered. The Paul machine, upon reading the number in print, quickly went into counteroffensive mode.



The votes got lost 'in the shuffle.' What shuffle? They shuffle the vote in New Hampshire?

Paul's 31 votes got lost in the shuffle, lost in translation between moderator Greg Hill's voice and Call's pen.



The space was left blank. So why did they call in ZERO? And, who called it in?

The slot next to Paul's name on the original return sheet said 31, but a space on Call's return, next to Paul's name, remained blank.



Nobody knows how it happened.

"He's (Gill) reading off his results, I'm writing them down on the return," Call said. "I don't know why it was blank. I don't know if he skipped over it or if someone interrupted him to repeat the last name and it got skipped, or maybe I missed it. It was that simple."



The only reason it was corrected is because a voter went into town hall first thing in the morning.

Call was met by town officials the next morning at 9:30. They told her the mistake had been rectified. Call, her jacket still on, was confused.

"What are you talking about?" she asked.

She was told someone had come in and said he'd voted for Paul. The voter noticed the "0" in the local newspaper and wanted an explanation. When he got it, he left, satisfied.

Call phoned the Secretary of State's office and re-faxed the form, the one with a circled "31" next to Paul's name. Just to make sure.



In other words, we still do not know what happened or how this happened. And it would not have been caught had not a Ron Paul voter caught it.

 

[Fight-n-Mad]

I mean, you could videotape the whole thing or something maybe

Ding ding ding ding!!!

Yes, there are more things that can be done! So now maybe people like Call will think about getting to work on it. Politely excusing these people will never light a fire under them. Organizations like Black Box have been trying to reform the system for years, and it hasn't happened. Widespread outrage is the only thing that will ever work.

 

[diesirae]

In other words, we still do not know what happened or how this happened.

Good Gosh, it says one of two things happened, and we can say for sure which one. That seems pretty dang good to me.

Ding ding ding ding!!!

Yes, there are more things that can be done! So now maybe people like Call will think about getting to work on it. Politely excusing these people will never light a fire under them. Organizations like Black Box have been trying to reform the system for years, and it hasn't happened. Widespread outrage is the only thing that will ever work.

...but, how does this do that? Nowhere in any of the harassment has been the suggestion that "maybe you should videotape these things"? Instead, it's been death threats and claims that's she's crooked.

 

[PatriotOne]

But, apparently joining three days ago makes me totally worthless, and all of my efforts to share my knowledge mean absolutely nothing because you've decided that it's way more fun to just make snide insinutations about my intentions here.

If this is how you're going to treat another Ron Paul supporter, then I don't know why I should bother trying to discuss this with you. Apparently, the rEVOLution means "love" only insofar as you don't disagree with people who have been around more than you. Ridiculous.

I don't treat other RP supporters this way...only obvious trolls who's only purpose here seem to be defending vote fraud. And by all means, don't bother discussing with me further. Your cred is zilch as far as I am concerned.

 

[Molly1]

But we did learn one thing.

The secretary of state's office would know who called in to correct the other zero votes for Ron Paul in other towns.

They should be asked politely how many towns called in to correct their votes the next day.

 

[Fight-n-Mad]

...but, how does this do that? Nowhere in any of the harassment has been the suggestion that "maybe you should videotape these things"? Instead, it's been death threats and claims that's she's crooked.

First of all, if someone made a death threat, they should expect to be arrested, and rightly so.

And whatever is going on with Call is just tiny little snapshot of much bigger movement that's been brewing for a long time. I have a feeling it's about to really take off.

 

[Molly1]

Good Gosh, it says one of two things happened, and we can say for sure which one. That seems pretty dang good to me.



...but, how does this do that? Nowhere in any of the harassment has been the suggestion that "maybe you should videotape these things"? Instead, it's been death threats and claims that's she's crooked.

Believe me, if this woman were receiving death threats, her name would not be in the paper.

I've received threats and I would sue any paper that put my name in it with that story so those threatening would know how to find me.

That said, you say one of two things happened. You mean Greg somehow skipped the name or she somehow skipped the name?

Well, let's say we accept that. Who called in the zero for Ron Paul? If a candidate receives no votes, they just leave it blank? They don't write in ZERO? Is this their standard operating procedure? And, why did no one question it?

My goodness, it's 12 candidates. It's not like we are sending a rocket to the moon.

But, you see, the article is never clear about what happened--'human error,' 'lost in the shuffle,' 'the office claimed,' 'town officials,' ---all so very conveniently vague.

 

[diesirae]

I don't treat other RP supporters this way...only obvious trolls who's only purpose here seem to be defending vote fraud. And by all means, don't bother discussing with me further. Your cred is zilch as far as I am concerned.

If your only response is to call everyone who disagrees with you "obvious trolls" who are "defending voter fraud' then it's clear you have nothing constructive to say. I've spent hours in other forums sharing my knowledge of economics -- but, apparently, you don't care. I've supported Ron Paul for longer than he's been running for President; and longer than your accusations can hurt me.

PS: If you'd like to note, this is how you drive away people from the Ron Paul camp; accuse them of being trolls and treat them like garbage because you disagree with them. I think you also might want to read this post by an admin:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=32994

Believe me, if this woman were receiving death threats, her name would not be in the paper.

I've received threats and I would sue any paper that put my name in it with that story so those threatening would know how to find me.

That said, you say one of two things happened. You mean Greg somehow skipped the name or she somehow skipped the name?

Well, let's say we accept that. Who called in the zero for Ron Paul? If a candidate receives no votes, they just leave it blank? They don't write in ZERO? Is this their standard operating procedure? And, why did no one question it?

My goodness, it's 12 candidates. It's not like we are sending a rocket to the moon.

But, you see, the article is never clear about what happened--'human error,' 'lost in the shuffle,' 'the office claimed,' 'town officials,' ---all so very conveniently vague.

It's standard practice in the elections I've covered; you'd be surprised how 0 turns into 8. And if a precise mechanism for the error is "vague", then I'd state you have an absurdly high standard for "vagueness".

 

[Ozwest]

First of all, if someone made a death threat, they should expect to be arrested, and rightly so.

And whatever is going on with Call is just tiny little snapshot of much bigger movement that's been brewing for a long time. I have a feeling it's about to really take off.

Death threats? Take a deep breath, and powder your nose.

 

[John P Slevin]

flak catcher

Believe me, if this woman were receiving death threats, her name would not be in the paper...

Wrong. She's a civil servant, holding a public position, her name is public record, as is her office and work phone...she's very much available which is why so many slobs targeted her...she was their target of opportunity.

 

[Catatonic]

Wow, people are pissed off that their vote wasn't counted, shocking.

I'm glad there are people that actually give a damn in this country. I can only imagine the outrage if someone messed up reporting the scores of a football game, but when it comes to counting votes, 'oops' is an acceptable excuse for destroying democracy.

 

[Molly1]

If your only response is to call everyone who disagrees with you "obvious trolls" who are "defending voter fraud' then it's clear you have nothing constructive to say. I've spent hours in other forums sharing my knowledge of economics -- but, apparently, you don't care. I've supported Ron Paul for longer than he's been running for President; and longer than your accusations can hurt me.



It's standard practice in the elections I've covered; you'd be surprised how 0 turns into 8. And if a precise mechanism for the error is "vague", then I'd state you have an absurdly high standard for "vagueness".

But, we aren't talking about your elections, we are talking about sutton.

Is it standard operating procedure in sutton to leave the space blank?

You can see why this is an important question.

It's stupid to leave it blank, first of all, because then you can easily make the mistake of bumping up all the votes to the wrong candidate. Nevertheless, you can write in zero. Zero is a number. Blank space is not.

So we still don't know if that is SOP. We still don't know how this happened.

We still don't know who called it in incorrectly.

Yes, I'd say my standard for 'vague,' is right on the money.

 

[Berri]

OK let's read the article.

The error was made by someone 'unknown.' The claim was sent in by 'the office.'

Human error, by someone unknown, caused Call's office to claim Paul received zero votes from the town during Tuesday's first-in-the-nation primary.



All is well, the mistake is corrected the next morning.

The mistake was corrected early the next morning, but that hardly mattered. The Paul machine, upon reading the number in print, quickly went into counteroffensive mode.



The votes got lost 'in the shuffle.' What shuffle? They shuffle the vote in New Hampshire?

Paul's 31 votes got lost in the shuffle, lost in translation between moderator Greg Hill's voice and Call's pen.



The space was left blank. So why did they call in ZERO? And, who called it in?

The slot next to Paul's name on the original return sheet said 31, but a space on Call's return, next to Paul's name, remained blank.



Nobody knows how it happened.

"He's (Gill) reading off his results, I'm writing them down on the return," Call said. "I don't know why it was blank. I don't know if he skipped over it or if someone interrupted him to repeat the last name and it got skipped, or maybe I missed it. It was that simple."



The only reason it was corrected is because a voter went into town hall first thing in the morning.

Call was met by town officials the next morning at 9:30. They told her the mistake had been rectified. Call, her jacket still on, was confused.

"What are you talking about?" she asked.

She was told someone had come in and said he'd voted for Paul. The voter noticed the "0" in the local newspaper and wanted an explanation. When he got it, he left, satisfied.

Call phoned the Secretary of State's office and re-faxed the form, the one with a circled "31" next to Paul's name. Just to make sure.



In other words, we still do not know what happened or how this happened. And it would not have been caught had not a Ron Paul voter caught it.

Can anyone spell the word B.U.S.T.E.D

Jennifer Call must spend time in prison. Her bullshit excuses are an insult to any thinking person! There is no way she would get away with such bullshit in a court of law.

INVESTIGATE JENNIFER CALL NOW!

 

[Molly1]

Wrong. She's a civil servant, holding a public position, her name is public record, as is her office and work phone...she's very much available which is why so many slobs targeted her...she was their target of opportunity.

I understand all that.

I'm talking about the newspaper article.

If she really is receiving threats, the article is just waving a red flag over her to receive more threats.

In fact, I think they made the whole thing up.

I think people did call to see what happened, but I do not believe she received any credible threats.

 

[Charles Wilson]

Is this woman responsible for RP's poor showing in NH and Iowa? Is she a pawn in a huge voter fraud conspiracy, or is she a civic minded simpleton that made a stupid mistake?

That is what we need to find out. Hopefully she made an honest mistake -- if she did then either way we need to know.