Paul should disown $4.3 donations

Cant wait to see them try to twist donations from BTP Dec 16th. That guy will tell Dr. Paul he should return the money because it is an insult to indians that were impersonated as ruthless savages while throwing boxes of tea overboard.
 
Fortier is an elitist who wants to see Congress become a group of appointed "representatives" in the event of a major attack that kills or injures 25% of either House of Congress; he is the chairman of a group called the Continuity of Government Commission.

Here are some of the proposals that they've supported:

Rep. Brian Baird H.J. Res. 77 - A constitutional amendment allowing for temporary appointments by Member pre-desgination in the case of mass vacancies in the House of Representatives.

Sen. John Cornyn S.J. Res. 23 - a constiutional amendment implementing legislation providing for the event that one-fourth of the Members of either the House of Representatives or the Senate are killed or incapacitated.

Rep. Brian Baird H.J. Res 67 - a constitutional amendment to give governors the power to make temporary appointments to the House of Representatives if more than 25% of the members have been killed or incapacitated.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren H.J. Res. 77 - a constitutional amendment to allow Congress to make provisions for temporary appointments of members if 30% of the seats are vacant.

Sen. Arlen Specter S.J. Res. 30 - a constitutional amendment to give governors the power to make temporary appointments to the House of Representatives if more than 50% of the members have been killed or incapacitated. Temporary members shall be of the same party as the member who previously occupied the seat.

Norman Ornstein Proposal - a constitutional amendment to give governors the power to make temporary appointments when a majority of the state congressional delegations have been significantly diminished. Temporary appointments can be made to fill the seat of temporarily incapacitated members, but once a member recovers his or her original seat is reclaimed.

Michael Davidson Proposal - a constitutional amendment to give governors the power to make temporary appointments to fill all vacancies.

Michael Glennon Proposal - a constitutional amendment to give the power to Congress to devise a legislative solution to the problem of mass vacancies.
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Here's what Ron Paul has had to say about such attempts by Mr. Fortier's organization:

June 4, 2003

Let’s Keep All Representatives Elected

Mr. PAUL. Mr. Speaker, the privately funded and privately constituted “Continuity of Government Commission” has recently proposed that, for the first time in our nation's history, we should allow the appointment of members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Not only does this proposal fail to comport with the intention of the founders of this nation, but even worse, it advocates a solution that has been repeatedly rejected by this body.

The report of this so-called “Commission” makes clear that while the Senate has, from time to time, voted to pass constitutional amendments allowing for the appointment of House members, this body has always jealously guarded its status as “the people's House” by failing to pass such amendments. A brief history review may be in order at this point. First, our Nation has been under attack from foreign powers in the past, such as in its nascent years when the British were constantly “coming” In our own century, we faced an attack on Pearl Harbor as well as the very real threat of nuclear annihilation. Now, because we have learned that our Capitol was a potential target in a terror plot, there is an outcry from some corners regarding our vulnerability. Our government leaders are no more vulnerable today to mass extinction than they were 20 years ago. Our top-flight military makes us, in many ways, less vulnerable to attack and the assassination of our leaders than we were 200 years ago.

Even if we were to sustain such a devastating attack, the nightmare scenario painted in the first report of the “commission” is not only far-fetched, but also admits of a plethora of potential solutions already existent in our current constitutional structure. Though the report endeavors to cast doubt on the legitimacy of those structures, it is unsuccessful. Moreover, what could be more offensive to our republican form of government and of more questionable legitimacy, than to have a slew of un-elected “representatives” outvote elected people on the floor of our U.S. House?

Let's face it: we can scare people and doom-say anytime we wish, but it would only be in the case of a near-complete annihilation that our government would fail to function. In such an instance there is no “system'' that will preserve our government. On the other hand, if we surrender the right to elect people to the U.S. House of Representatives under any circumstances, we will be on a slippery slope away from the few remaining vestiges and most precious principles of the government left to us by our founders.

In the event that this “proposal” gets more serious and is given long-term attention, I will place in the record more detailed statements defending the notion of an all-elected House of Representatives, and explaining the fallacies and illogic found in this report. For now Mr. Speaker, I simply wish to go on record as among those who would fight to the last to preserve the principle of a House of Representatives consisting entirely of members elected by the people.
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http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=633
 
My response, emailed to Mr. Fortier:

Dear Mr. Fortier,

I think your recent article "Bulldozers, Not Bombs" was a terrible mischaracterization of Ron Paul's November 5th fundraising, which you refer to as "boatloads of money from admirers who celebrate the violent overthrow of established government." As one of those admirers, and one who considers himself a normal, mainstream voter, I think you are completely misunderstanding Ron Paul's support.

I'm 26 and have considered myself a Republican since before I could vote. I was a member of my College Republican chapter, was an officer in the Tarrant County (Texas) Young Republicans, attended the Texas Republican state convention as a delegate in 2004, walked door to door for Pete Sessions' congressional campaign, and was campaign manager for a successful Republican justice of the peace candidate. In short, an active, mainstream Republican.

As a Republican, I want a small, fiscally conservative government. This is not a radical or fringe position--it's a core component of the Republican platform. I feel that President Bush and the Republicans in Congress have done an exceedingly poor job on this front.

I also disagree with our foreign policy under Bush. At the cost of thousands of American and Iraqi lives and hundreds of billions of dollars, our involvement in Iraq has tarnished America's image, strained our military, and diminished our moral authority, all without making us safer. Our actions have lost us allies and swelled the ranks of those who would attack us. I can understand why other perfectly reasonable Republicans might support Bush's foreign policy, but I do
not.

I am far from an isolationist. I believe very strongly in free trade and diplomatic engagement with countries around the world (a position shared by Ron Paul), but I am opposed to aggressive foreign meddling and nation-building. Only a few short years ago, this was a pretty standard Republican position, but apparently not any more.

As a Republican voter with solid conservative beliefs, to whom should I give my support? None of the Republican front-runners are a good fit. They are all pro-war and don't seem any better than Bush on fiscal conservative issues.

A small but not insignificant number of Republicans like me examine the Republican front-runners and find them lacking. We find a solid champion of our positions in Ron Paul. I don't agree with every position he has, but then who does, particularly considering that Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney are the leading candidates of the Republican Party?

For a great analysis of Ron Paul and the sources of his support, please see these two posts by Glenn Greenwald:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/06/paul/
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/12/paul/

Your characterization of Ron Paul supporters as celebrating "the violent overthrow of established government" is laughable. Guy Fawkes Day was chosen because of the grassroots campaign theme of a "Ron Paul Revolution" and the promotional value (to a heavily young, male, internet savvy audience) of tying-in with the movie V for Vendetta. Calling a political campaign a "revolution" is hardly incendiary, violent, or unusual (Republican Revolution in 1994, for example). If
you haven't noticed, the letters EVOL are capitalized and highlighted in the "Ron Paul R[EVOL]ution" signs, spelling LOVE. Violence is in no way part of the campaign.

When the November 5th fundraising day was being planned, a significant segment of Ron Paul supporters opposed the choice of that day because they knew that some in the media would spin the story in a negative way, as you have done (tying the fundraiser to violence, when no such link actually exists). The November 5th fundraiser proceeded anyway, and you can't deny that it was a huge success.

Though others in the media have mentioned the Guy Fawkes link and questioned the choice of November 5th, I have seen nothing that goes as far as you do in in terms of mischaracterizing the effort. Our next big fundraiser is being planned for December 16th, the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. Should I expect an article from you about how Ron Paul supporters celebrate the violent theft and destruction of tea?

Respectfully,
...
 
Mr. Fortier is not answering the phone. Call his Assistant: 202-862-5866 and calmly ask for a retraction of this smear job.
 
To crslsc: GREAT LETTER!

To everyone expressing the "What's wrong with overthrowing the government" sentiment? You're just playing into the hands of the enemy. It's all about r"EVOL"ution.

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
This coming from an institute that has promoted policies that have caused the death of millions. HA
 
Not to mention, Guy Fawkes Day is the celebration of FOILING the plot to blow up parliament. This was our attempt at foiling the plot to take our liberties.
 
The man who wrote this is hugely stupid. But let it also be a lesson not to stage fund raisers on days like that (Decemeber 16th is a good idea though).
 
xj0hnx said:
I find it interesting people are using the Guy Fawkes pseudo terrorist connection to Ron Paul as a detractor when our own country is based on a violent revolution. Like revolution is a bad thing or something.
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Yeah, I wonder if they would support changing the name of the nation's capital, and removing the likenesses of all those violent revolutionaries from our money.
 
Take that, enemy of American liberty!

Dear Mr. Fortier:

My name is Jeff Willis. I'm 45 years old. I live in Douglas County, Oregon and since my first qualifying election I have been a registered Republican. I'm registered to vote today, so you can track me down for shipment to the re-education camps pretty easily.

I'm writing to you because my fellow freedom fighters pointed out an Internet link to some really interesting text. Did you really write this? Is it in context? Are you really serious? I expect an answer.

"Ron Paul is an iconoclast, a principled libertarian, and an entertaining presidential candidate, but he has gone too far. Last week he raised boatloads of money from admirers who celebrate the violent overthrow of established government. For the sake of his reputation and his responsibility to the Congress in which he serves, he should disown that support."

John Fortier
American Enterprise Institute
1150 Seventeenth Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036
Phone: 202-828-6038
Assistant: 202-862-5866
Fax: 202-862-5821
E-mail: [email protected]

I support RON PAUL. I participated in the MONEY BOMB campaign. Damn right, I've been ready to blow people up at the first order of my Commander in Chief. That's what U.S. Marines do and what I was pledged to do during six years of honorable service to my country.

All true patriots must be ready to fight! That's why we bear arms! That's why we train to kill in the military! That's why we use our brains, our God-given freedoms and our political process to preserve our freedoms for posterity through peaceful, constitutional means, whenever possible.

President Kennedy, a martyr for American freedom, told Latin American dictators:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

He also emphasized:

So, let us not be blind to our differences - but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved.
John F. Kennedy

This is a constitutional exercise of traditional American liberties. Give back the money. We may as well give up our country to the dictators. The donations came from people from all walks of life, people with a better understanding of American political tradition than you. What has been happening in our country has been beyond the pale. If you don't know it's true then you're just ill informed or judgmentally challenged.

Paul has it right. History is on his side. I've experienced the third-world first hand and lived in totalitarian dictatorships. There's more than one kind of evil in the world and you, Sir, are sounding dangerously like a clear and present danger to me.

Now that I'm a civilian, are you suggesting I'm supposed to roll over and forget my rights as a citizen of the United States -- scared off by your verbal warmongering. Not likely. Mine are the rights to address grievances, to freely assemble, to speak and to bear arms against armed tyranny (you might remember that radical terrorist and malcontent -- what's his name -- oh yeah, Jefferson).

So, nobody's perfect, but I'm voting for Ron Paul with my money bombs, my volunteer service and all my heart. Remember, remember the 5th of November, the fund raising, money bomb plot. I see no reason why the 5th of November should ever be forgot. We'll be having another evil plot underway soon -- in honor of the Boston Tea Party. God forbid. Perish the anti-Monarchist thought. Get on board now before this peaceful R3volution overtakes you and makes you a humorous footnote in American history -- like our friend Benedict Arnold.

Jeff Willis
[email protected]
 
Maybe we need a secret handshake ...

Maybe we should get a secret handshake and other cool stuff started so they can really worry about us crazy secret government overthrowers.
 
MoneyBomb Militia said:
Dear Mr. Fortier:

My name is Jeff Willis. I'm 45 years old. I live in Douglas County, Oregon and since my first qualifying election I have been a registered Republican. I'm registered to vote today, so you can track me down for shipment to the re-education camps pretty easily.

I'm writing to you because my fellow freedom fighters pointed out an Internet link to some really interesting text. Did you really write this? Is it in context? Are you really serious? I expect an answer.

"Ron Paul is an iconoclast, a principled libertarian, and an entertaining presidential candidate, but he has gone too far. Last week he raised boatloads of money from admirers who celebrate the violent overthrow of established government. For the sake of his reputation and his responsibility to the Congress in which he serves, he should disown that support."

John Fortier
American Enterprise Institute
1150 Seventeenth Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036
Phone: 202-828-6038
Assistant: 202-862-5866
Fax: 202-862-5821
E-mail: [email protected]

I support RON PAUL. I participated in the MONEY BOMB campaign. Damn right, I've been ready to blow people up at the first order of my Commander in Chief. That's what U.S. Marines do and what I was pledged to do during six years of honorable service to my country.

All true patriots must be ready to fight! That's why we bear arms! That's why we train to kill in the military! That's why we use our brains, our God-given freedoms and our political process to preserve our freedoms for posterity through peaceful, constitutional means, whenever possible.

President Kennedy, a martyr for American freedom, told Latin American dictators:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

He also emphasized:

So, let us not be blind to our differences - but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved.
John F. Kennedy

This is a constitutional exercise of traditional American liberties. Give back the money. We may as well give up our country to the dictators. The donations came from people from all walks of life, people with a better understanding of American political tradition than you. What has been happening in our country has been beyond the pale. If you don't know it's true then you're just ill informed or judgmentally challenged.

Paul has it right. History is on his side. I've experienced the third-world first hand and lived in totalitarian dictatorships. There's more than one kind of evil in the world and you, Sir, are sounding dangerously like a clear and present danger to me.

Now that I'm a civilian, are you suggesting I'm supposed to roll over and forget my rights as a citizen of the United States -- scared off by your verbal warmongering. Not likely. Mine are the rights to address grievances, to freely assemble, to speak and to bear arms against armed tyranny (you might remember that radical terrorist and malcontent -- what's his name -- oh yeah, Jefferson).

So, nobody's perfect, but I'm voting for Ron Paul with my money bombs, my volunteer service and all my heart. Remember, remember the 5th of November, the fund raising, money bomb plot. I see no reason why the 5th of November should ever be forgot. We'll be having another evil plot underway soon -- in honor of the Boston Tea Party. God forbid. Perish the anti-Monarchist thought. Get on board now before this peaceful R3volution overtakes you and makes you a humorous footnote in American history -- like our friend Benedict Arnold.

Jeff Willis
[email protected]
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Brilliant...

I love that you're not afraid of the "revolutionary" theme we have going here. This is what differentiates this campaign. This is what sane, thinking people are drawn to.
 
Addressing the rediculous is hard but hear goes

Fortier Wrote: But Paul sometimes displays a more sinister conspiratorial aspect, implying that those who disagree with him are the vanguard of dictatorial government. And of course, Paul and his followers are there to stop such a dictatorship. I ran across this side of Paul in my work on continuity of government. The Continuity of Government Commission issued a recommendation that there should be temporary appointments made to the House of Representatives in the extreme case of hundreds of members being killed in an attack so that the House could continue to function. Paul was the first member to oppose this recommendation; he called it "dangerous" and said that it "handed terrorists a pre-emptive victory over republican government." His piece was picked up by conspiracy theorists who accused our Commission of trying to impose a dictatorship on America.

He misspelled preemptive there is no hyphen but lets see what Ron Paul really said.
“Specifically, COGC advocates a constitutional amendment calling for the appointment of individuals to the House of Representatives to fill the seats of dead or incapacitated members, a first in American history. An examination of the proposal reveals that it is both unnecessary and dangerous.”[1]

Furthermore, as Paul adds, COGC’s “proposal provides doomsday scenarios designed to make us believe that the threat of modern terrorism poses a much greater risk to our government institutions than ever existed in the past.” So ironically, instead of working to prevent terrorism, it appears that the COGC is undertaking research that will up the fear ante within the American populous, providing further fuel to propel the ever growing ‘War on Terror.’

source: http://wiki.zmag.org/Alan_K._Simpson

That does not sound like anything but straight talk from an honest man to me.

I do not much like the American Enterprise Institute mainly because they are funded by Globalist Elitist foundations. Now I like them even less.
 
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Great letters crslsc and Taco John.

I am starting to find the fear of Paul quite amusing.

Our false (bank owned) government has spent the last week sweating in a little room. Trying to find ways to discredit the movement. Any of us "sheeple" who ACTUALLY have brains. Can see it for ourselves ( I believe this to be somewhere around 100%). These people are grasping for straws. Worst yet (for them) is we have already scoured the net and WE came up with only a few differences of opinion. Something our society was taught to accept. Even study to possibly better ourselves.

Granted we were not very good at it on our first try. However it was our (humanities) first attempt at free society. People grew very prosperous in time. Our country grew rich along with the people. Then the banks moved in and corrupted our brains over generations of TV and increasingly corrupt and barely understandable politicians. Most of us STOPPED paying ANY attention. After all it has never really made any sence. At least not during my life time. Couldn't make sence of anything except the CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS. Which were completely ignored. Now days you can be jailed for mentioning the Constitution in traffic court. Then people like this guy, Try to twist the real story. To what end? people want to know? Are we free or under you type of "controlled" freedom?

It isn't even the primaries yet and the evil bastards have nothing on the people's choice. Everyone knows we are broke (USA). Everyone feels the pinch every day. They can't hide it anymore. Ron Paul can fix it. We know it. They know it. Now we can go out and raise awareness to the masses while they twist everything into obvious lies and distroy themselves,.. and we GROW.

Unfortunatly these people don't like to loose. So, PRAY FOR RON PAUL'S SAFETY. If you are at a rally. WATCH for ANY dangers his enemies may throw at him. I hate to say it, But the people who kill great leaders are very nervous. These nervous people make deadly choices every day. I personally would take a bullet for Ron Paul ANY day, I hope most others feel the same way. They mentioned on the news that at the Phillie rally PAUL had very little protection! This makes me nervous. As it was these people's minion on the TV. Reporting what she was told to report by her nervous owners. Who incidently don't want to report on Ron Paul at all.

As for the scum bag who wrote this article. Most people barely pay attention to anything more then what is on prime time and sundays. You show them 15 min. of Ron Paul views and more then 60% will wake up and vote for Dr. Paul. But they will never read that article. Unless it's posted obscurely in who wishes they were rich.
 
You can bet he will get an interview on Glenn Beck

You can bet that this coin operated fascist spit bag John C. Fortier will end up getting an interview on Glenn Beck or one of the other coin operated fascist spit bags crap slinging shows to spout his bull so just expect it to be on youtube soon.
 
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