Paul Ryan is a leader for sound money

[Deanna]

The flat tax is a horrible idea. We don't need a tax on wages, period. It is "legalized" slavery. Anybody can see that.

I absolutely agree with you with the eliminatin of income tax. A tax should be based on what we chose to purchase. However, I do not see the government giving up taxes any time soon. So, until such time, a flat tax would be the fairest means. We moved up to the next tax bracket and lost a significant amount of our raise. We would have almost been better off without it. But, I do agree with you completely with the elimination of the tax.

 

[Deanna]

Deanna, Paul Ryan does actually have good ideas for entitlement programs, and they do not cut off people currently or close to going onto them.

I respectfully disagree. I did not care for Romney. I was hoping he would have at least picked a better VP. With a ticket of Romney and Ryan, they will lead this country right into the same genocide Obama was bringing us to. The only difference is that the wealthy will benefit with Romney, whereas the welfare and illegals benefit with Obama. Either way, the middle class and seniors are getting the bad end of the deal.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

No he doesn't. He proposes a government solution to a problem created by government. It won't work.

Sound money 'rings' when dropped on a hard surface. Sound money is real. Sound money is the correct solution, but Paul Ryan doesn't get it, or promote it. He claims the Fed can create sound money. Do you actually believe him?

I'm not talking about money.

 

[Tod]

Paul Ryan is as serious about it as Harry Reid was about auditing the Fed.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I absolutely agree with you with the eliminatin of income tax. A tax should be based on what we chose to purchase. However, I do not see the government giving up taxes any time soon. So, until such time, a flat tax would be the fairest means. We moved up to the next tax bracket and lost a significant amount of our raise. We would have almost been better off without it. But, I do agree with you completely with the elimination of the tax.

Taxes should be based on nothing, and eliminated. Sales, income, or otherwise.

 

[schiffheadbaby]

I'm not talking about money.

You are such a GOP hack.

Paul Ryan voted for:

Medicare PART D, NO child left behind (now we're all left behind), Iraq War, Debt ceiling, Auto Bailouts on and on.

How does he have such good ideas when he voted for Medicare D which really sent us on the wrong path?

Don't lie

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

You are such a GOP hack.

Paul Ryan voted for:

Medicare PART D, NO child left behind (now we're all left behind), Iraq War, Debt ceiling, Auto Bailouts on and on.

How does he have such good ideas when he voted for Medicare D which really sent us on the wrong path?

Don't lie

You are a moron!

I was talking about his ideas about curbing entitlements. Much better than doing nothing, though they need to be much deeper.

Did those ideas escape into a black hole because he has a crappy record. NO!

And Traveler cannot post anything but his "100-redeemable money" line, which had nothing to do with my post and I addressed Ryan's money views earlier.

 

[JoshLowry]

You are such a GOP hack.

Paul Ryan voted for:

Medicare PART D, NO child left behind (now we're all left behind), Iraq War, Debt ceiling, Auto Bailouts on and on.

How does he have such good ideas when he voted for Medicare D which really sent us on the wrong path?

Don't lie

You are a moron!

I was talking about his ideas about curbing entitlements. Much better than doing nothing, though they need to be much deeper.

Did those ideas escape into a black hole because he has a crappy record. NO!

And Traveler cannot post anything but his "100-redeemable money" line, which had nothing to do with my post and I addressed Ryan's money views earlier.

Don't use insults.

 

[Aratus]

when FDR got all the gold into fort knox he had one dollar bills being redeamable notes where you could get a dollar's worth of silver if need be

 

[schiffheadbaby]

Don't use insults.

Ok good idea.

But honestly Josh Lowry, isn't it weird GA AVENGER says Paul Ryan wants to help solve the obvious entitlement program in America when Paul Ryan was one of the main culprits of said entitlement problems?

It makes me sad/frustrated to hear people buy into the Rhetoric and not the voting Record.

 

[JoshLowry]

Ok good idea.

But honestly Josh Lowry, isn't it weird GA AVENGER says Paul Ryan wants to help solve the obvious entitlement program in America when Paul Ryan was one of the main culprits of said entitlement problems?

It makes me sad/frustrated to hear people buy into the Rhetoric and not the voting Record.

Yea it is Schiff Head Baby.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Ok good idea.

But honestly Josh Lowry, isn't it weird GA AVENGER says Paul Ryan wants to help solve the obvious entitlement program in America when Paul Ryan was one of the main culprits of said entitlement problems?

It makes me sad/frustrated to hear people buy into the Rhetoric and not the voting Record.

Yes, good idea. You could actually read my posts instead of accusing me of hacking.

I already pointed out his record in other threads. I think his reform ideas for Medicare and Social Security, have merits however.

I understand there are those that like conspiracy theories such as that lizards control all of the politicians so none of them can have good ideas, however I take a reality based approach. Its like saying if I agree with John McCain on waterboarding I am supporting the Iraq war.

 

[schiffheadbaby]

Yes, good idea. You could actually read my posts instead of accusing me of hacking.

I already pointed out his record in other threads. I think his reform ideas for Medicare and Social Security, have merits however.

I understand there are those that like conspiracy theories such as that lizards control all of the politicians so none of them can have good ideas, however I take a reality based approach. Its like saying if I agree with John McCain on waterboarding I am supporting the Iraq war.

I don't have conspiracy theories, but Mr Avenger why do you think Paul Ryan has any credibility after voting for big government relentlessly the past 10 years?

On almost every big gov legislation he has voted yea (GM BAIlLouts etc), he even voted for Bush stim package in 2008.

And then you think he will fight for SS/Medicare reform?

Anyway I agree with the good doctor Ronald Paul that first overseas spending should be reduced and Ryan's proposal increased overseas spending.

Please don't get duped Avenger, I feel like you have a good future but might get seduced by Paul Ryan's charisma. I am old and grey, been around the block to see how these guys operate and it isn't pretty.

I will give Ryan credit for his oratory, he has good charm but please look at the voting record.

Medicare Part D aka BushCare was the biggest entitlement program since the 60's at the time of passage and Ryan voted yes. Why did he do this?

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I don't have conspiracy theories, but Mr Avenger why do you think Paul Ryan has any credibility after voting for big government relentlessly the past 10 years?

On almost every big gov legislation he has voted yea (GM BAIlLouts etc), he even voted for Bush stim package in 2008.

And then you think he will fight for SS/Medicare reform?

Anyway I agree with the good doctor Ronald Paul that first overseas spending should be reduced and Ryan's proposal increased overseas spending.

Please don't get duped Avenger, I feel like you have a good future but might get seduced by Paul Ryan's charisma. I am old and grey, been around the block to see how these guys operate and it isn't pretty.

I will give Ryan credit for his oratory, he has good charm but please look at the voting record.

Medicare Part D aka BushCare was the biggest entitlement program since the 60's at the time of passage and Ryan voted yes. Why did he do this?

Again, you are dodging what I am saying and regurgitating Paul Ryan's voting record that I am well aware of.

I am talking about his social security privatization plan and medicare voucher plan. They have merit. I am not saying to vote for Ryan nor am I saying he is a fiscal conservative.

I am not sure what your angle is. But it is very annoying.

 

[Aratus]

paul ryan is edgier and slightly to the right of joe biden...
this does cull out a few of mitt's flipflop stances sorta...
we might just see where ronmeycare ain't obamacare...

 

[schiffheadbaby]

Again, you are dodging what I am saying and regurgitating Paul Ryan's voting record that I am well aware of.

I am talking about his social security privatization plan and medicare voucher plan. They have merit. I am not saying to vote for Ryan nor am I saying he is a fiscal conservative.

I am not sure what your angle is. But it is very annoying.

His Social Security plan does virtually nothing to help the solvency of the program.

I thought no insults Avenger?

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

His Social Security plan does virtually nothing to help the solvency of the program.

I thought no insults Avenger?

What insult?

I knew I shouldn't have dared say anything positive about anyone's ideas other than Ron Paul. This forum isn't exactly a place for rational discussion, it always comes down to shilling and backstabbing.

His plan is an improvement over what we have now, however it isn't necessarily what I would go forward with.

http://roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/#retirementsecurity

 

[JoshLowry]

Again, you are dodging what I am saying and regurgitating Paul Ryan's voting record that I am well aware of.

I am talking about his social security privatization plan and medicare voucher plan. They have merit. I am not saying to vote for Ryan nor am I saying he is a fiscal conservative.

I am not sure what your angle is. But it is very annoying.

shb's angle is saying that you can't trust Romney, Obama, or Ryan.

The question boils down to can you trust Team R or Team D.

If you can't trust someone, how do you know how they will perform on Issue Z?

It's a waste of time. Hypothetical drivel.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

shb angle is saying that you can't trust Romney, Obama, or Ryan.

The question boils down to can you trust Team R or Team D.

If you can't trust someone, how do you know how they will perform on Issue Z? It's a waste of time.

Nobody is understanding what I am posting!

Paul Ryan has his plans for SS and Medicare out there, just as his voting record is out there. Its not a matter of opinion or speculation! His plans are at least a good starting point for the entitlements.

I never said I support Paul Ryan or want anybody to vote for him. People can read my posts about him in other threads. I even posted the "Ron Paul/Wrong Paul" picture.

But SHB thinks I am shilling for the GOP, and Traveler went on his rant about "redeemable money" that had nothing to do with the context of my post.

Too much weird sensationalism and not enough rational thought on this forum.

 

[Travlyr]

I'm not talking about money.

Entitlements have everything to do with money. The entitlements came with fiat money.... that is what the Federal Reserve System does ... central bank planning of the economy and control over governments. The New Deal... The Great Society... The War Economy all comes from the Fed. The ONLY way to fix it is to return to honest sound money. All other remedies will cause more harm to many people than good. That is my opinion and it is not what Paul Ryan is talking about.

Paul Ryan says in the OP video that

"Getting Humphrey-Hawkins amended and changed once and for all to focus the Fed on its primary mission which is ... Money, Price Stability, and the Soundness of our Dollar"

That is not and never has been the primary mission of the Fed. Paul Ryan is hoodwinking you. This is why we have the Fed: Paul Warburg's Crusade to Establish a Central Bank in the United States

Warburg's Contribution
The idea of an "elastic currency," which would expand to meet the legitimate needs of business and commerce, was not new. In fact, Warburg himself claimed no originality for the idea, but through his writings, speeches and counsel to others he began to have a greater impact than anyone else. Warburg did, however, succeed in injecting two new ideas into the discussion: first, shifting of emphasis from the currency problem to the reserve problem; and second, advocacy of the principle of rediscounting a new kind of commercial paper.

That is neither price stability or soundness of the dollar.