Paul introduces bill to give unborn children constitutional rights

[nikcers]

Medical proof such as embryologists?

https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

I think it's fairly well known that zygotes and fetuses are both alive and genetically human. If one of those two factors were not the case, it would be impossible to continue to grow as a human and would be either dead, or some non-human entity.

It's the time factor that bothers me, like Rand says. At a certain point most people will agree it's human. My theory is it is related to how people perceive time. I think time is like color or taste and it's different to everyone.

 

[Yieu]

It's the time factor that bothers me, like Rand says. At a certain point most people will agree it's human. My theory is it is related to how people perceive time. I think time is like color or taste and it's different to everyone.

The thing is, if zygotes were not human they would not form into a fetus and then an infant. Scientifically, they absolutely must be human. They're not horses or dogs, or random cells that could form into anything. A human zygote forms into a human fetus and then a human infant. They are human from the start, or else they couldn't be human later on.

 

[nikcers]

The thing is, if zygotes were not human they would not form into a fetus and then an infant. Scientifically, they absolutely must be human. They're not horses or dogs, or random cells that could form into anything. A human zygote forms into a human fetus and then a human infant. They are human from the start, or else they couldn't be human later on.

You know this is a dangerous world where you can have your dog cloned after he died, and people are still arguing about genetics.

 

[Yieu]

You know this is a dangerous world where you can have your dog cloned after he died, and people are still arguing about genetics.

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[nikcers]

I'm not sure what you mean.

There is a company in China that clones pets, I think they do livestock and racehorses and stuff too now. Defining what truly is human is going to be a discussion that we will need to have soon as a society. This conversation sounds impossible to have now though, especially if we elect someone who will treat humans like cattle.

 

[Yieu]

There is a company in China that clones pets, I think they do livestock and racehorses and stuff too now. Defining what truly is human is going to be a discussion that we will need to have soon as a society. This conversation sounds impossible to have now though, especially if we elect someone who will treat humans like cattle.

It is simple science. A human egg and a human sperm make a human zygote, which turns into a human fetus, and then a human infant. This all happens because 1) they are alive, and 2) they have human DNA. If neither of these things were true, they would be either dead, or another species. It is not that random cells magically form together in the womb, and at the decision of the government, at some stage those random cells start to become human. They must necessarily be human from the start, or else the process of growth could not happen.

I don't see how it would be a dangerous world due to understanding biology.

 

[nikcers]

It is simple science. A human egg and a human sperm make a human zygote, which turns into a human fetus, and then a human infant. This all happens because 1) they are alive, and 2) they have human DNA. If neither of these things were true, they would be either dead, or another species. It is not that random cells magically form together in the womb, and at the decision of the government, at some stage those random cells start to become human. They must necessarily be human from the start, or else the process of growth could not happen.

I don't see how it would be a dangerous world due to understanding biology.

No people don't understand biology why do you think we have a government agency that is basically subsidizing harvesting human body parts and exchanging it for favors due to the huge implications. Obama wasn't kidding when he said we can cure cancer, because we can. Lots of techs are emerging and people are stunningly ignorant about biology.

 

[Yieu]

No people don't understand biology why do you think we have a government agency that is basically subsidizing harvesting human body parts and exchanging it for favors due to the huge implications. Obama wasn't kidding when he said we can cure cancer, because we can. Lots of techs are emerging and people are stunningly ignorant about biology.

I don't mean emergent understanding of new discoveries in biology. I am referring to established biological science that has been studied and known for some time now.

 

[nikcers]

I don't mean emergent understanding of new discoveries in biology. I am referring to established biological science that has been studied and known for some time now.

Yeah - 10k years ago we developed agriculture. Biological milestones in healthcare are moving at light speed now though, before antibiotics we didn't even to need to worry about social security. We should be fighting death, not fighting terrorism.

 

[timosman]

There is a company in China that clones pets, I think they do livestock and racehorses and stuff too now. Defining what truly is human is going to be a discussion that we will need to have soon as a society. This conversation sounds impossible to have now though, especially if we elect someone who will treat humans like cattle.

Imagine this conversation in the movie Idiocracy.

 

[Voluntarist]

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[RonPaulMall]

Unfortunately, it doesn't really provide any more detail than the article in the OP.

How does this not effectively and practically become a constitutional ban on nearly all abortion and forms of contraception that may also destroy embryos?

I agree with that, plus I don't really understand the bill from a Constitutional standpoint. Seems what the bill is trying to do is "clarify" the 14th Amendment in to covering fetuses, but you can't clarify the Constitution via statute. Either the 14th Amendment as written provides fetuses the protections outlined in this bill and the bill is unnecessary, or the 14th Amendment doesn't provide such protections and no bill can change that.