Paul Campaign Suing Maker of Huntsman False-Flag Video!!

[pacelli]

To understand where this is going, it could lead to criminal charges once the person is identified. If it turns out that the person identified is an employee of another campaign they are in violation of election laws.

Thank you for the explanation, been wondering the whole point of this, and why campaign funds are being used for it.

 

[FreedomRings]

Mmmmmm....day late and a dollar short. Huntsman's already dropped out. I wish this had happened when Huntsman was still a factor in New Hampshire. Maybe Ron would have come in first. It would be kinda like attacking Michelle Bachman now that she's dropped out of the race.

They filed the suit on Friday - two days before Huntsman dropped out. It probably took them a couple of days to prepare it. They should have done it before NH though, I agree.

 

[jtbraine]

[,m,m,m,m,m,

 

[Anna Karenina]

I think it could very well have been Newt's staff that perpetrated this. First, they have the most to gain by knocking out both Paul and Huntsman. Also, Newt was fuming over the serial hypocrite ads and it seems like the underhanded type of thing he would like to do in revenge. What really got me thinking about his involvement was the portion of his anti-Mitt ad where he showed a clip of Mitt speaking French as if to insinuate that speaking a foreign language was anti-American ....doesn't that remind you of the clip in the hoax ad with Huntsman speaking Mandarin? A little too similar to be a coincidence...more like the same point from the same sinister mind - Newts!

This may also be why the RP campaign wants to pursue this...because they could very well knock out Newt if they can publicly reveal his involvement in this plot.

 

[Revolution9]

Huntsman in his drop out speech mentioned the negative and personal attacks. I think he's covering his back publicly.

The gold hanging tassels look like puppet strings. The Universe is so funny with symbolism if you pay attention.

Rev9

 

[pacelli]

The gold hanging tassels look like puppet strings. The Universe is so funny with symbolism if you pay attention.

Rev9

10-4 "Admiral". I read you loud and clear

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

I think it could very well have been Newt's staff that perpetrated this. First, they have the most to gain by knocking out both Paul and Huntsman. Also, Newt was fuming over the serial hypocrite ads and it seems like the underhanded type of thing he would like to do in revenge. What really got me thinking about his involvement was the portion of his anti-Mitt ad where he showed a clip of Mitt speaking French as if to insinuate that speaking a foreign language was anti-American ....doesn't that remind you of the clip in the hoax ad with Huntsman speaking Mandarin? A little too similar to be a coincidence...more like the same point from the same sinister mind - Newts!

This may also be why the RP campaign wants to pursue this...because they could very well knock out Newt if they can publicly reveal his involvement in this plot.

That doesn't account for why the Huntsman campaign site had it BEFORE anyone else, how the maker had access to personal Huntsman family photos, and why Huntsman said, his daughters were getting ready to release something in retalition to the tweet that came from Pauls twitter account in Iowa.

Before speculating elsewhere, these issues would have to be accounted for first. Otherwise, these issues make someone within the Huntsman campaign the most suspect so far.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

He should be smacked silly for the things he says about his daughters. I wonder how he would like it if he had to grow up with the story that he was dumped and left for dead being public knowledge. I'm sure it makes for pleasant conversation in studyhall. Those little girls must be mortified by his comments. It is completely improper that he divulge that kind of information for his own political gain. Furthermore, if he or his bio daughters were behind this, I hope he pays dearly. If they were, calling it the "Ron Paul video" was really a misstep.

I really don't see how that could even be an issue. If you have ever been left for dead or given up on, you know it's a serious thing and it's not something to be ashamed of. It's something to be proud of that you are no longer in that situation. You have to own up to your history, and there is no shame in having humble beginnings. I had humble beginnings, and I wouldn't necessarily want to divorce myself from that just for the sake of public image. If she was really an orphan who was left for dead, I doubt she cares much about the public image. It's hard to explain, but it's less mortifying to have people know that if it actually happened to you. Most people aren't actually ashamed of having humble beginnings.

 

[legion]

Just curious: What would the forum's response be if this lawsuit's discovery reveals that the file was uploaded by someone unexpected, like a US Government employee, or Romney's campaign?

 

[pauliticalfan]

Not about to read through 40 pages.

+rep to whoever gives a quick summary.

What's the big deal here?

 

[legion]

Not about to read through 40 pages.

+rep to whoever gives a quick summary.

What's the big deal here?

Ron Paul campaign files an exploratory lawsuit against John Doe to find out who really put out this video.

This will allow them to subpoena Youtube for their records, which should tell us who made the video.

 

[affa]

Not about to read through 40 pages.

+rep to whoever gives a quick summary.

What's the big deal here?

most of this thread was about the philosophy of torts, fraud, etc.
there were a few posts hoping Huntsman gets destroyed by this.
and... that's about it.

 

[johndeal]

Actually I'm hoping Romney gets destroyed with this.

 

[TheViper]

repeating a statement often definitely makes it true. you're almost there, just a few more posts and it'll finally become true.

Thankfully I didn't have to keep repeating it as the actual filing papers were posted pretty much saying what I had just said.

i don't think all fraud should be punished. if i tell my girlfriend 'i will marry you' knowing that i will cheat on her later in the day, that is fraud, but it isn't punished. we don't have rights to our reputations. awful speech that isn't a direct threat to lives of property should be combated with more speech, not violence.

Fraud requires a legal aspect. Adultery isn't illegal. Detestable, but not illegal.

 

[slamhead]

I'm wondering if there were some election laws broken, in the sense that the action prevented a candidate from progressing or equality.

Yes if the person who did it was an employee of another candidate. Someone posted the applicable law in another thread.

 

[Lord Xar]

How long does a subpoena take?

 

[nasaal]

This is the way to deal with this stuff. All this complaining on stage about slander is stupid. If you have an issue, take it to court, don't go complaining about it to everyone. That's a man decision, good job.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Just curious: What would the forum's response be if this lawsuit's discovery reveals that the file was uploaded by someone unexpected, like a US Government employee, or Romney's campaign?

Or an actual Ron Paul supporter...

 

[ionlyknowy]

How long does a subpoena take?

See the applicable Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 45 for subpoenas below.

Rule 45. Subpoena

(a) In General.

(1) Form and Contents.

(A) Requirements—In General. Every subpoena must:

(i) state the court from which it issued;

(ii) state the title of the action, the court in which it is pending, and its civil-action number;

(iii) command each person to whom it is directed to do the following at a specified time and place: attend and testify; produce designated documents, electronically stored information, or tangible things in that person's possession, custody, or control; or permit the inspection of premises; and

(iv) set out the text of Rule 45(c) and (d).

(B) Command to Attend a Deposition—Notice of the Recording Method. A subpoena commanding attendance at a deposition must state the method for recording the testimony.

(C) Combining or Separating a Command to Produce or to Permit Inspection; Specifying the Form for Electronically Stored Information. A command to produce documents, electronically stored information, or tangible things or to permit the inspection of premises may be included in a subpoena commanding attendance at a deposition, hearing, or trial, or may be set out in a separate subpoena. A subpoena may specify the form or forms in which electronically stored information is to be produced.

(D) Command to Produce; Included Obligations. A command in a subpoena to produce documents, electronically stored information, or tangible things requires the responding party to permit inspection, copying, testing, or sampling of the materials.

(2) Issued from Which Court. A subpoena must issue as follows:

(A) for attendance at a hearing or trial, from the court for the district where the hearing or trial is to be held;

(B) for attendance at a deposition, from the court for the district where the deposition is to be taken; and

(C) for production or inspection, if separate from a subpoena commanding a person's attendance, from the court for the district where the production or inspection is to be made.

(3) Issued by Whom. The clerk must issue a subpoena, signed but otherwise in blank, to a party who requests it. That party must complete it before service. An attorney also may issue and sign a subpoena as an officer of:

(A) a court in which the attorney is authorized to practice; or

(B) a court for a district where a deposition is to be taken or production is to be made, if the attorney is authorized to practice in the court where the action is pending.

(b) Service.

(1) By Whom; Tendering Fees; Serving a Copy of Certain Subpoenas. Any person who is at least 18 years old and not a party may serve a subpoena. Serving a subpoena requires delivering a copy to the named person and, if the subpoena requires that person's attendance, tendering the fees for 1 day's attendance and the mileage allowed by law. Fees and mileage need not be tendered when the subpoena issues on behalf of the United States or any of its officers or agencies. If the subpoena commands the production of documents, electronically stored information, or tangible things or the inspection of premises before trial, then before it is served, a notice must be served on each party.

(2) Service in the United States. Subject to Rule 45(c)(3)(A)(ii), a subpoena may be served at any place:

(A) within the district of the issuing court;

(B) outside that district but within 100 miles of the place specified for the deposition, hearing, trial, production, or inspection;

(C) within the state of the issuing court if a state statute or court rule allows service at that place of a subpoena issued by a state court of general jurisdiction sitting in the place specified for the deposition, hearing, trial, production, or inspection; or

(D) that the court authorizes on motion and for good cause, if a federal statute so provides.

(3) Service in a Foreign Country. 28 U.S.C. §1783 governs issuing and serving a subpoena directed to a United States national or resident who is in a foreign country.

(4) Proof of Service. Proving service, when necessary, requires filing with the issuing court a statement showing the date and manner of service and the names of the persons served. The statement must be certified by the server.

(c) Protecting a Person Subject to a Subpoena.

(1) Avoiding Undue Burden or Expense; Sanctions. A party or attorney responsible for issuing and serving a subpoena must take reasonable steps to avoid imposing undue burden or expense on a person subject to the subpoena. The issuing court must enforce this duty and impose an appropriate sanction—which may include lost earnings and reasonable attorney's fees—on a party or attorney who fails to comply.

(2) Command to Produce Materials or Permit Inspection.

(A) Appearance Not Required. A person commanded to produce documents, electronically stored information, or tangible things, or to permit the inspection of premises, need not appear in person at the place of production or inspection unless also commanded to appear for a deposition, hearing, or trial.

(B) Objections. A person commanded to produce documents or tangible things or to permit inspection may serve on the party or attorney designated in the subpoena a written objection to inspecting, copying, testing or sampling any or all of the materials or to inspecting the premises—or to producing electronically stored information in the form or forms requested. The objection must be served before the earlier of the time specified for compliance or 14 days after the subpoena is served. If an objection is made, the following rules apply:

(i) At any time, on notice to the commanded person, the serving party may move the issuing court for an order compelling production or inspection.

(ii) These acts may be required only as directed in the order, and the order must protect a person who is neither a party nor a party's officer from significant expense resulting from compliance.

(3) Quashing or Modifying a Subpoena.

(A) When Required. On timely motion, the issuing court must quash or modify a subpoena that:

(i) fails to allow a reasonable time to comply;

(ii) requires a person who is neither a party nor a party's officer to travel more than 100 miles from where that person resides, is employed, or regularly transacts business in person—except that, subject to Rule 45(c)(3)(B)(iii), the person may be commanded to attend a trial by traveling from any such place within the state where the trial is held;

(iii) requires disclosure of privileged or other protected matter, if no exception or waiver applies; or

(iv) subjects a person to undue burden.

(B) When Permitted. To protect a person subject to or affected by a subpoena, the issuing court may, on motion, quash or modify the subpoena if it requires:

(i) disclosing a trade secret or other confidential research, development, or commercial information;

(ii) disclosing an unretained expert's opinion or information that does not describe specific occurrences in dispute and results from the expert's study that was not requested by a party; or

(iii) a person who is neither a party nor a party's officer to incur substantial expense to travel more than 100 miles to attend trial.

(C) Specifying Conditions as an Alternative. In the circumstances described in Rule 45(c)(3)(B), the court may, instead of quashing or modifying a subpoena, order appearance or production under specified conditions if the serving party:

(i) shows a substantial need for the testimony or material that cannot be otherwise met without undue hardship; and

(ii) ensures that the subpoenaed person will be reasonably compensated.

(d) Duties in Responding to a Subpoena.

(1) Producing Documents or Electronically Stored Information. These procedures apply to producing documents or electronically stored information:

(A) Documents. A person responding to a subpoena to produce documents must produce them as they are kept in the ordinary course of business or must organize and label them to correspond to the categories in the demand.

(B) Form for Producing Electronically Stored Information Not Specified. If a subpoena does not specify a form for producing electronically stored information, the person responding must produce it in a form or forms in which it is ordinarily maintained or in a reasonably usable form or forms.

(C) Electronically Stored Information Produced in Only One Form. The person responding need not produce the same electronically stored information in more than one form.

(D) Inaccessible Electronically Stored Information. The person responding need not provide discovery of electronically stored information from sources that the person identifies as not reasonably accessible because of undue burden or cost. On motion to compel discovery or for a protective order, the person responding must show that the information is not reasonably accessible because of undue burden or cost. If that showing is made, the court may nonetheless order discovery from such sources if the requesting party shows good cause, considering the limitations of Rule 26(b)(2)(C). The court may specify conditions for the discovery.

(2) Claiming Privilege or Protection.

(A) Information Withheld. A person withholding subpoenaed information under a claim that it is privileged or subject to protection as trial-preparation material must:

(i) expressly make the claim; and

(ii) describe the nature of the withheld documents, communications, or tangible things in a manner that, without revealing information itself privileged or protected, will enable the parties to assess the claim.

(B) Information Produced. If information produced in response to a subpoena is subject to a claim of privilege or of protection as trial-preparation material, the person making the claim may notify any party that received the information of the claim and the basis for it. After being notified, a party must promptly return, sequester, or destroy the specified information and any copies it has; must not use or disclose the information until the claim is resolved; must take reasonable steps to retrieve the information if the party disclosed it before being notified; and may promptly present the information to the court under seal for a determination of the claim. The person who produced the information must preserve the information until the claim is resolved.

(e) Contempt. The issuing court may hold in contempt a person who, having been served, fails without adequate excuse to obey the subpoena. A nonparty's failure to obey must be excused if the subpoena purports to require the nonparty to attend or produce at a place outside the limits of Rule 45(c)(3)(A)(ii).

 

[Naraku]

Or an actual Ron Paul supporter...

The Twitter account was blowing up on January 5th tweeting the video to the LA Times, Fox News, and Red State with inside-the-beltway hashtags to get the video everywhere in the establishment media only to go dead after that one day of activity. It was no Paul supporter.