Paul-Barr Meeting

GO INDEPENDENT, RON!!!!

Save your nation, and your legacy forever in our nation's history books.
 
A Barr run is a great idea, though in the end, I think the effect will only be Perot-esque, ie split the Republican vote. Those in the know will vote for him. The party hacks will tow the line for McCain.

Barr already has name recognition in the party, the media, and the public at large.

Many establishment, conservative, thinking Republicans know and still like him.

These same Republicans are looking for a choice other than McCain to embrace.

Barr can be that person.

Barr will bring us constitution lovers along.

In order to bring the establishment Republicans along, he'll need to be careful about how he uses the Ron Paul factor - many have dissed Paul this year, and would have a hard time embracing 'just another crazy Ron Paul wannabe'. I'd recommend he put out the political face of distancing himself somewhat from the Ron Paul message so he doesn't get put in the same camp as all us 'whackos', while still billing himself as a true conservative. That way, he can secure a broad enough cross-section to make an impact on the future direction of the party.

Of course, due to the split vote, he probably won't win the general, so we're pretty much guaranteed a Democrat win in November. However, the signal could be clearly sent to the party to help move things in the right (pun intended) direction.

georgiaboy
 
The funny thing is that Perot actually could've won. He was polling ahead of Bill Clinton in the summer of '92. Then he did a stupid thing: he DROPPED OUT of the race for a month, and re-entered. After this, he was never viewed as fully reliable again.

He still ended up exceeding expectations late in the campaign. He was only polling around 10% in October, and yet, ended up double that in the election.

It's also a myth that Perot cost Bush I his re-election in 1992. Studies have shown that the Perot voter was almost evenly split between the two parties, Republicans and Democrats and the apathetic. Perot's Dem and Rep voters were probably more like 60% Republican and 40% Democrat, but it's obvious that given how far Bush was trailing behind, he still wouldn't have won with those extra Republican voters.
 
Lovecraftian4Paul said:
The funny thing is that Perot actually could've won. He was polling ahead of Bill Clinton in the summer of '92. Then he did a stupid thing: he DROPPED OUT of the race for a month, and re-entered. After this, he was never viewed as fully reliable again.

He still ended up exceeding expectations late in the campaign. He was only polling around 10% in October, and yet, ended up double that in the election.

It's also a myth that Perot cost Bush I his re-election in 1992. Studies have shown that the Perot voter was almost evenly split between the two parties, Republicans and Democrats and the apathetic. Perot's Dem and Rep voters were probably more like 60% Republican and 40% Democrat, but it's obvious that given how far Bush was trailing behind, he still wouldn't have won with those extra Republican voters.
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Yes but why did Perot drop out?

If I recall he claimed that there were death threats made against his family.

At the time I remember thinking he must be a bit "out there" but in retrospect I think he was absolutely right, the powers-that-be told him exactly what would happen if he had the audacity to get himself elected President against their wishes.

Sometimes I wonder if Ron Paul has been the object of such tactics as well.
 
Just talked with someone close to RP's Chief of Staff. RP is considering what to do right now.

We need to give him a poll showing overwhelming support for an independent run.

I go to start it. Please sign it and passit around the internet!

It will be titled: Ron Paul Looking to Hear from His Supporters: Please vote now!
 
SteveMartin said:
Just talked with someone close to RP's Chief of Staff. RP is considering what to do right now.

We need to give him a poll showing overwhelming support for an independent run.

I go to start it. Please sign it and passit around the internet!

It will be titled: Ron Paul Looking to Hear from His Supporters: Please vote now!
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Great news! Spread the word, Steve!

Is this what you heard from Barr's office, or are you still waiting for that today?
 
Ron Paul has said himself that he is not going to run as an independent.
 
WilliamC said:
Yes but why did Perot drop out?

If I recall he claimed that there were death threats made against his family.

At the time I remember thinking he must be a bit "out there" but in retrospect I think he was absolutely right, the powers-that-be told him exactly what would happen if he had the audacity to get himself elected President against their wishes.

Sometimes I wonder if Ron Paul has been the object of such tactics as well.
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No one really knows. I suppose it's possible there are death threats. But then again, there's always some reasonable doubt. I liked Perot, but it's hard to deny he was a bit quirky.

I believe the reason Perot himself gave is that he didn't want Republican operatives disrupting his daughter's wedding. Which is just bizarre...unless it was code, as you suggest, for a death threat again his daughter or something. Who knows...

As an aside, I also wonder the same about Ron Paul. I'd like to think it hasn't gotten to that point (yet), and perhaps it isn't, since he still hasn't completely dropped from the GOP contest and is trying to decide what to do with regards to an independent run. Unfortunately, it could be a threat in the future. Ron Paul's weakness would be death threats made against any member of his large, closely knit family.
 
No he didn't, Yongrel. He said he wouldn't run 3rd party. His brother Wayne told me last week that he had never said he "wouldn't" just that he wouldn't seek it, unless his supporters urged it upon him.

TIME TO START URGING BOYS AND GIRLS!!!

Actually, the petition is already up...I'll get the title in a second, but it's been put up already by someone else. Spread the word!!!!

No, nothing from Barr yet.

The rumor came from someone close to Tom Lizardo himself. I just spoke to this person. 100% reliable...
 
yongrel said:
Ron Paul has said himself that he is not going to run as an independent.
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Wrong. He has always said he has "no plans."

The message after Super Tuesday in Feb. said there would be no THIRD PARTY run. There's a difference. But even besides the fact, I don't believe the message was written by Ron Paul himself. There's no way he would've quoted Trotsky. It was obviously ghost written by some campaign staffer.

The ultimate proof is his meeting with Bob Barr, which happened Tuesday. Why would he even be meeting with Barr, knowing that Barr is trying to convince him to be a President or VP on a ticket with him, if he were really that firm?
 
Two thoughts:

An independent run would undermine phase 2, which is the take over of the GOP. I'm sure this could be worked around with some fast talking: "I'm not leaving my party, my party left me. I still hope to reform the party through grassroots, blah, blah."

There is still work to be done on the current campaign.
1) Identifying and cataloging RP voters
2) Winning delegates
3) Influencing the convention

Can we run two campaigns at once?
 
limequat said:
Two thoughts:

An independent run would undermine phase 2, which is the take over of the GOP. I'm sure this could be worked around with some fast talking: "I'm not leaving my party, my party left me. I still hope to reform the party through grassroots, blah, blah."

There is still work to be done on the current campaign.
1) Identifying and cataloging RP voters
2) Winning delegates
3) Influencing the convention

Can we run two campaigns at once?
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Yes we can. The GOP measures can be left up to those who want to do it from the grassroots. Personally, it seems like a total lost cause. How would a mere 30-70 Ron Paul delegates influence hundreds of warmongering idiot ones anyway? You might get them on a few key points, like tax relief and gun rights. But both of those things are something the Fred Thompson and Huckabee delegates will be lobbying for anyway.

Standing as an anti-war voice or demanding the protection of our civil liberties will fall on almost totally deaf ears amongst the other idiots serving as delegates from Romney, McCain, Huckabee, and Thompson.
 
Agreed

yongrel said:
Ron Paul has said himself that he is not going to run as an independent.
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I also don't see Ron running as an independent. Steve mentioned Ron is trying to figure out what to do right now. I think that means supporting, either overtly or covertly, another conservative for an independent or 3p run.

From what I can tell about Ron, when he says his campaign is winding down, he means it. When he says the conventional road to the nomination is not in reach, he means it. When he says no 3rd party, he means it.

georgiaboy
 
The message after Super Tuesday in Feb. said there would be no THIRD PARTY run. There's a difference. But even besides the fact, I don't believe the message was written by Ron Paul himself. There's no way he would've quoted Trotsky. It was obviously ghost written by some campaign staffer.
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Absolutely true. Carol Paul told me herself he never wrote that, and that he would come out with a video to refute it, and he did.
 
Great point. McCain and all the neo-con pundits said the reason they lost so horribly in 2006 was because of earmarks, spending, bridge to nowhere--that it had absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq war.

Lovecraftian4Paul said:
Thinking they will come to Ron Paul after a McCain loss is crazy. They would just trump it up to any number of reasons for McCain's loss--too old, too many "brainwashed" liberals, liberal media, etc. Besides, the war mongers and apocalyptic evangelical Huck types aren't going anywhere. Where would they go? The GOP is their party. They will just wring their hands, still call Paul and his supporters deranged kooks, and then proceed to carry on as they always have. I don't believe there are enough true conservatives and libertarians even left in the party to outweigh the drooling neo-cons.

The only choice to carry this thing on is an independent run. And as it's been pointed out before, there is absolutely no threat to Ron Paul's House seat. He isn't even opposed now. Even if the GOP kicked him out and ran Peden again, he would easily win re-election to the House as an independent if he doesn't win the Presidency. Incumbency is a mighty advantage.
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limequat said:
What's the group's reading on Barr?

Seems like he's had a bit of a coming-to-Jesus since leaving office, but had exercised poor judgement while a representative. The guy clearly has skeletons in his closet. While I'd love to see a viable liberty-minded candidate, this guy just doesn't have the cred of Ron Paul.
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Bob Barr wrote a column here in Atlanta for Creative Loafing..a very liberal free paper with huge circulation. Hs columns were always loaded with common sense and many who think they are liberals agreed with the columns premises. He seems to have bedrock core of liberty oriented and American principles.

Best
Randy
 
Thanks for the good info. --also, he sounds like a really good speaker (he introduced Ron Paul at CPAC) that would be good for a Paul campaign for obvious reasons, and he would blow hillary and mccain out of the water.

Revolution9 said:
Bob Barr wrote a column here in Atlanta for Creative Loafing..a very liberal free paper with huge circulation. Hs columns were always loaded with common sense and many who think they are liberals agreed with the columns premises. He seems to have bedrock core of liberty oriented and American principles.

Best
Randy
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