Pat Buchanan: Even If Trump Wins, The West Is Doomed

[luctor-et-emergo]

The conservative commentator was especially grim about Europe, Buchanan said, “It’s hard for me to see how the Europeans survive whether they have the will just given the trend-lines in terms of population and in terms of immigrants pouring in.”

Worry about your own country Pat. Lot's of people are waking up here about the horrors of the EU. Can't say that much about your country.

 

[erowe1]

Buchanan said, “It’s hard for me to see how the Europeans survive whether they have the will just given the trend-lines in terms of population and in terms of immigrants pouring in.”

Great quote to zero in on.

Just what does he mean by Europeans not surviving? Does he imagine the continent of Europe becoming a barren land of no people? No. He's talking about race. He's afraid that miscegenation will blur the boundary lines between races that are so precious to him.

 

[Bossobass]

I define the difference between protectionist and non-protectionist tariffs the way Ron Paul defines that difference. And since it was his position that you were attempting to co-opt, his definition should be operative here. Your support for reciprocity of tariffs is the opposite what Ron Paul means by non-protectionist tariffs.

You still haven't defined anything. Quit hiding behind "I say what RP says, whatever that is…" and define the difference. And, please, stop telling me what I support vs what anyone else supports… you suck at it.

 

[erowe1]

You still haven't defined anything

In post 38 you said that I did. Which is it?

When I talk about Ron Paul, it's not hiding behind anything. This is Ron Paul Forums. You don't get to come here and trash everything he stands for and support Donald Trump's protectionism instead and get a pass.

 

[Bossobass]

You say this as if that's all a bad thing. What are we supposed to do, prop up a misallocation of resources just to keep these workers doing the same thing for more years, when we could get cheaper steel from China?

The US, the EU, Australia, S. Korea and India are protesting/investigating blatantly illegal dumping and use of third countries to circumvent anti-dumping and other laws.

Rule of law. Try propping that up first and stop cherry picking posts to one-line dis them… you suck at it.

Here's a true misallocation of funds… Homestead, Pa, just outside of Pittsburgh, before and after US manufacturing was bought up by FED owners and shipped to Asia. They instigated government grants to tear down the mills so that no American entrepreneurs might fire the mills back up and, God forbid, compete against the newly built Chinese government subsidized plants, and more grants and tax forgiveness to build… malls for the cash-rich-from-ridiculously-illegal-housing-bubble-home-equity-loans-@-125%-LTV public to swarm to to buy the products now made in China. This, of course, was followed by rewarding the crooks with taxpayer-backed trillions in bail-out do-re-mi.

Yeah, awesome. Gotcha, Erowe 1 [globalist apologist numero uno]. You guys spew the mantra as though it cam from heaven instead of from the globalist brainwash hand book. Trade deficit, national debt, bailouts, Exchange Stabilization Fund, President's Working Group, QE-infinity, insolvent Central Bank balance sheet, multi-trillion $ "defense" spending… great for the 'murican consoomer.

 

[erowe1]

The US, the EU, Australia, S. Korea and India are protesting/investigating blatantly illegal dumping and use of third countries to circumvent anti-dumping and other laws.

Rule of law. Try propping that up first and stop cherry picking posts to one-line dis them… you suck at it.

An unjust law is no law at all. Rule of law means that anti-dumping laws have no legitimacy.

 

[erowe1]

Yeah, awesome. Gotcha, Erowe 1 [globalist apologist numero uno]. You guys spew the mantra as though it cam from heaven instead of from the globalist brainwash hand book. Trade deficit, national debt, bailouts, Exchange Stabilization Fund, President's Working Group, QE-infinity, insolvent Central Bank balance sheet, multi-trillion $ "defense" spending… great for the 'murican consoomer.

I don't support national debt, bailouts, exchange stabilization fund, defense spending, or most of the things you listed. Neither does Ron Paul. We're not spewing a mantra, and we're not brainwashed. Please stop misrepresenting our positions.

 

[Bossobass]

In post 38 you said that I did. Which is it?

When I talk about Ron Paul, it's not hiding behind anything. This is Ron Paul Forums. You don't get to come here and trash everything he stands for and support Donald Trump's protectionism instead and get a pass.

Ron Paul "likes Bernie. We overlap on several issues. I enjoyed working with him in…" So, you voted for Bernie like a good Ron Paul sock puppet? You don't get to come in here and tell me ANYTHING without a response, if I feel like offering one, your Stalinist posting style notwithstanding.

You still haven't defined anything. Anyone else see a pattern here?

 

[Bossobass]

I don't support national debt, bailouts, exchange stabilization fund, defense spending, or most of the things you listed. Neither does Ron Paul. We're not spewing a mantra, and we're not brainwashed. Please stop misrepresenting our positions.

Of course you do. Like I've said before, maybe put down the mirror when you type?

 

[erowe1]

Ron Paul "likes Bernie. We overlap on several issues. I enjoyed working with him in…" So, you voted for Bernie like a good Ron Paul sock puppet? You don't get to come in here and tell me ANYTHING without a response, if I feel like offering one, your Stalinist posting style notwithstanding.

You still haven't defined anything. Anyone else see a pattern here?

Ron Paul never endorsed Bernie or said he would vote for him. And agreeing with Ron Paul on Ron Paul Forums doesn't make me a sock puppet.

So now you say I haven't defined anything. What happened to what you said in post 38? You're taking that back?

 

[erowe1]

Of course you do. Like I've said before, maybe put down the mirror when you type?

Why do you think I do? Can you find any quotes of me supporting any of those things?

 

[Bossobass]

An unjust law is no law at all. Rule of law means that anti-dumping laws have no legitimacy.

This^^^ will do it for me. You're hopelessly ignorant of reality, and good luck with that.

 

[erowe1]

This^^^ will do it for me. You're hopelessly ignorant of reality, and good luck with that.

So, according to you, in reality an unjust law is a legitimate law?

Anyway, bye. Please don't come back.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Even if Trump wins...

...lol.

That anyone thinks Trump would save the West is the surest sign that the West is doomed.

Once you start electing television clowns to high office, well, that's pretty much it.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

What about the sun?! I worked for a company that produces electricity that people use to light their homes... But that damned sun gives people light for free! Here we have a situation that is not only foreign labor, but completely alien! We should cast a law to remove windows from peoples' homes and businesses. h/t Bastiat!

Yes.

Let us also outlaw backhoes.

...and shovels.

If all digging was by spoon, there would be more jobs.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The US, the EU, Australia, S. Korea and India are protesting/investigating blatantly illegal dumping and use of third countries to circumvent anti-dumping and other laws.

= what inefficient producers call it when their competitors sell at a lower price

= good for consumers

= economic progress

...how dare that Rockefeller dump his kerosene on the market.

What about the whalers!?!?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ron Paul "likes Bernie. We overlap on several issues. I enjoyed working with him in…" So, you voted for Bernie like a good Ron Paul sock puppet? You don't get to come in here and tell me ANYTHING without a response, if I feel like offering one, your Stalinist posting style notwithstanding.

You still haven't defined anything. Anyone else see a pattern here?

Absolutely. He is the strawman king.

 

[Bossobass]

= what inefficient producers call it when their competitors sell at a lower price

= good for consumers

= economic progress

...how dare that Rockefeller dump his kerosene on the market.

What about the whalers!?!?

Remedial reading for the descendants of whalers:

Standard Oil Company
In 1870, Rockefeller, together with his brother William, Henry M. Flagler and Samuel Andrews, established the Standard Oil Company of Ohio. This occurred while the petroleum refining industry was still highly decentralized, with more than 250 competitors in the U.S.
The company almost immediately began using a variety of cutthroat techniques to acquire or destroy competitors and thereby "consolidate" the industry. They included:
(1) Temporarily undercutting the prices of competitors until they either went out of business or sold out to Standard Oil.
(2) Buying up the components needed to make oil barrels in order to prevent competitors from getting their oil to customers.
(3) Using its large and growing volume of oil shipments to negotiate an alliance with the railroads that gave it secret rebates and thereby reduced its effective shipping costs to a level far below the rates charged to its competitors.
(4) Secretly buying up competitors and then having officials from those companies spy on and give advance warning of deals being planned by other competitors.
(5) Secretly buying up or creating new oil-related companies, such as pipeline and engineering firms, that appeared be independent operators but which gave Standard Oil hidden rebates.
(6) Dispatching thugs who used threats and physical violence to break up the operations of competitors who could not otherwise be persuaded.
By 1873 Standard Oil had acquired about 80 percent of the refining capacity in Cleveland, which constituted roughly one third of the U.S. total. The stock market crash in September of that year triggered a recession that lasted for six years, and Standard Oil quickly took advantage of the situation to absorb refineries in Pennsylvania's oil region, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and New York. By 1878 Rockefeller had attained control of nearly 90 percent of the oil refined in the U.S., and shortly thereafter he had gained control of most of the oil marketing facilities in the U.S.
Standard Oil initially focused on horizontal integration (i.e., at the same stage of production) by gaining control of other oil refineries. But gradually the integration also became vertical (i.e., extended to other stages of production and distribution), mainly by acquiring pipelines, railroad tank cars, terminal facilities and barrel manufacturing factories.

If you're trying to make a point, here's a hint; try to have one first. Head to the library because Google doesn't offer one-liners to describe US History.

"The consumer benefits" is the meme the monopolies attempted to use in their anti-trust cases. Thank goodness back then Americans were a lot smarter than you.

Little wonder that Josh has bailed and hasn't posted here for nearly a year.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Remedial reading for the descendants of whalers:

If you're trying to make a point, here's a hint; try to have one first. Head to the library because Google doesn't offer one-liners to describe US History.

"The consumer benefits" is the meme the monopolies attempted to use in their anti-trust cases. Thank goodness back then Americans were a lot smarter than you.

Little wonder that Josh has bailed and hasn't posted here for nearly a year.

This practice of undercutting competitors temporarily in order to drive them out of business and then raise prices never actually occurred.

It doesn't and can't work, as would be obvious to anyone with the slightest understanding of economics.

It's a terribly flawed theory invented by socialists looking for any excuse for state regulation of the market.

...specifically anti-trust law, which is actually a means by which politically connected corporations enlist the state to harass their competitors.

...and, btw, Rand recently introduced some legislation to put a stop to this heinous practice.

In any event, the original, first generation Rockefeller made his money because he offered a superior product at a (vastly) lower price.

Some remedial studies for you:

The American Economy and the End the Laissez Faire: 1870 to World War II (13 part lecture series)

Enjoy

 

[nikcers]

Rand recently introduced some legislation to put a stop to this heinous practice.

LEGALIZE COOPERATION!