Party or Protest 2020 - Accountable for Peace

[acptulsa]

'Proposals for promoting the peace of the world will have careful consideration. But we are not a people who are always seeking for a sign. We know that peace comes from honesty and fair dealing, from moderation, and a generous regard for the rights of others. The heart of the Nation is more important than treaties.'--Calvin Coolidge

 

[Dr.3D]

Most the fights are over predictions. I see that as silly because all of us who have been here a while have been wrong often.

I like the direction Trump seems to be moving. As long as he's scaling down, he has my support. If he doesn't, he won't have my support.

There is a lot of smoke over what's going on in the Middle East. I think we should at least wait for the smoke to clear before insulting each other.

And some people should put each other on ignore. I see a lot of the same people rehashing fights from bad blood from 2015. I don't get that. Most of us have lost our temper, but meh, let it go.

Guess I'm like you.

I tend to make the best of a situation I have little control over. We have Trump as president, I didn't vote for him, but he's president anyway.

I wait and watch to see what he's doing and feel he should be praised when he does something right.

I believe he has learned alot about who is enemies are and is doing something about it. Took a few years for him to get a grasp on the D.C. dirty tricks and it looks like he's been doing something about it.

I'll reserve judgement on Trump till I see how he works out.

Unlike some, who want to fire him now, I'll watch him and see if he needs fireing.

The MSM mostly seems to what him out of there, and to me that means he's doing something right.

Time will tell.

 

[oyarde]

If Trump would end the wars in the middle east which are not wars because congress did not do its job and americans did not vote them out because they are lazy fucks then yeah , I could see that being cause for celebration . It moves him up from some random guy from NY who was not a politician and got elected Pres. to a Great American who loves the troops . But who is in charge of celebrating ? Really have to be the troops and Josh ( I'll try and save up to buy a round after I get my property tax pd ) because otherwise we get back to congress and lazy americans ......

 

[juleswin]

So, I want to support Trump if he ends these wars.

I also don't want to support Trump if he continues them.

Maybe we can set a day in 2020 where Trump can reap what he sows.

There needs to be a build up to this event though, so starting something like this sooner, while Trump's rhetoric is great, would be crucial.

Either way, he gets the large attendance that he deserves.

I think all genuine people, left and right, would support something like this. Thoughts? Take it away!

What if he ends the war and secures(read: steals) other people's oil and land? would you still support him? Read my sig, its there for a reason and that reason is that nobody is all bad. Look at any administration and you can pick out at least 5 really good policies they have supported. Take Obama for xample, he started the road map for peace with Iran which the neocons hated, he refused to bomb Syria after the fake nuclear attack which the neocons also hated, he extended the Bush tax cuts, ended don't ask don't tell policy of the military etc etc etc.

You have to look at the whole not just a portion of the pie to decide who to vote for. I think this debate is moot because Trump is and has always been part of the neocon agenda. He may take a break on one conflict but be rest assured that he will be doing the leg work needed to prepare fr future conflicts.

I say encourage him when he does something right but only support him when he on a macro and consistent basis works to do the right thing which in this case is ending the wars

 

[JoshLowry]

Why would he keep trying to pull out if he wasn't serious, he's the only one that brings it up in the first place.

10/21/19

I am convinced edit: believe he IS telling the truth. I believe him in this video, even though every cell in my body screams not to believe this man. It's sooooo hard.

This covers all of our asses from looking like idiots. We support the man with the mic who speaks for peace. And if he turns on us, then we protest.

End the wars President Trump!

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think any significant withdrawal from overseas (but particularly the ME and the war zones) should count but Josh will have to tell us what he would count.

This isn't enough but it's a start:

The United States has pulled out 2,000 troops from Afghanistan over the past year, leaving just over 12,000 in the country, according to the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, The Washington Post reported Oct. 21.

More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situ...ducing-presence-over-past-year-commander-says

 

[Stratovarious]

With Trump, and once again, I'm quite confident that I was a more vocal supporter of Trump than
any forum member here for 2 plus years , including you Josh.
The problem is, I based my support on his promises and intimations, he did some great things, but
sadly we keep moving the goal post further and further back to try and justify our continued support
of a man that has stabbed us in the back so many times now, it makes me car sick.

I can list from the Patriot Act , to Israel First, to all the due process, and Hillary in prison
comments and rhetoric that we all are now trying to forget, but I think most of you
have read them many times already.

There are a lot of worse choices out there, but we did not get what we voted for, that's a fact.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

There is great wars/global interventions fatigue in public, very creative political manuevrings are required lately for any politician to carry these on. Lobbies, donor classes have realized that also. Every election since Bush's departure has been won on the promise of ending wars, unfortunately politicians and lobbies have been pretty good at working the system and tricking the public.
I supported him early on and still cautiously tad bit optimistic (mostly because of public sentiment factor) but with greatly lowered expectations.
If he loses this chance, would be a shame but I won't be too surprised. I'd very glad if my skepticism is proven completey wrong and he ended wars.

 

[CCTelander]

Damn, go to work, get banned. Come home, ban lifted, it's a crazy world.

You're just THAT good! Glad it's taken care of.

 

[Origanalist]

The mice?


Edit:

<<< Looks around. >>>
Maybe it's time to get back to the topic of this thread....

So, back on topic. When I take this over to other sites and try to spread it, how do I present this? Is this an RPF thing? Is this just a thing? Just looking to sort this all out.

 

[Dr.3D]

So, back on topic. When I take this over to other sites and try to spread it, how do I present this? Is this an RPF thing? Is this just a thing? Just looking to sort this all out.

I don't know... during the last election things were pretty rough around here about Trump and I thought it would all clear up after somebody was elected president.... but alas it didn't.

Do you suppose it will get better here after the next election?

It might just be an RPF thing for awhile longer.

 

[acptulsa]

So, back on topic. When I take this over to other sites and try to spread it, how do I present this? Is this an RPF thing? Is this just a thing? Just looking to sort this all out.

Well, I suppose it is, if it was conceived here. But hopefully it won't be just an RPF thing.

It should be nonpartisan, nondenominational and as spontaneous as possible. Because peace is more important than all that stuff.

The message is simple. Dear Mr. President. Want reelected? Keep your promise.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So, back on topic. When I take this over to other sites and try to spread it, how do I present this? Is this an RPF thing? Is this just a thing? Just looking to sort this all out.

It depends on the site, tailor it to the audience.

 

[Origanalist]

I don't know... during the last election things were pretty rough around here about Trump and I thought it would all clear up after somebody was elected president.... but alas it didn't.

Do you suppose it will get better here after the next election?

It might just be an RPF thing for awhile longer.

Well, I suppose it is, if it was conceived here. But hopefully it won't be just an RPF thing.

It should be nonpartisan, nondenominational and as spontaneous as possible. Because peace is more important than all that stuff.

The message is simple. Dear Mr. President. Want reelected? Keep your promise.

Well, I'm waiting for things to be hashed out a bit more before I start spreading it around. Maybe some more input from Josh also.

 

[Dr.3D]

It depends on the site, tailor it to the audience.

That might be what this is all about.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That might be what this is all about.

Pro Trump sites should be approached with the idea of supporting MAGA which includes bringing the troops home, it can be pointed out that the public making demands will strengthen Trump's hand.
Neutral sites should be approached with the idea of holding Trump to his words.
Anti-Trump sites should be approached with the idea of "exposing" Trump if you can find any that are still anti-war.

 

[Dr.3D]

Well, I'm waiting for things to be hashed out a bit more before I start spreading it around. Maybe some more input from Josh also.

Sounds like a plan.

I've just been kinda hunkering down a bit for the past few years to see what happens.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Well, I'm waiting for things to be hashed out a bit more before I start spreading it around. Maybe some more input from Josh also.

Yes, we need a defined goal that is doable and a chosen deadline to set.

 

[Origanalist]

It depends on the site, tailor it to the audience.

Good point. There is a guy over at Minds that's clearly pro Tulsi and a major Trump hater and we subscribe to each other because of our anti-war and anti-police state stances. He knows I'm not on the Tulsi train but we manage to get along because of our common interests. Pretty prolific poster. Anyway, I'm hoping for some more input here before I go leaping in on it.

 

[acptulsa]

Well, I'm waiting for things to be hashed out a bit more before I start spreading it around. Maybe some more input from Josh also.

Are you saying we can't hash while we spread?

We're libertarians. This is our definition of "top down"...

Pro Trump sites should be approached with the idea of supporting MAGA which includes bringing the troops home, it can be pointed out that the public making demands will strengthen Trump's hand.
Neutral sites should be approached with the idea of holding Trump to his words.
Anti-Trump sites should be approached with the idea of "exposing" Trump if you can find any that are still anti-war.

Trump, Trump, Trump, the sun shines out of Trump's comb over.

Peace is what matters. If you love peace, you can vote for the guy who delivers it. Even if you have to hold your nose.