Party or Protest 2020 - Accountable for Peace

[JoshLowry]

So, I want to support Trump if he ends these wars.

I also don't want to support Trump if he continues them.

Maybe we can set a day in 2020 where Trump can reap what he sows.

There needs to be a build up to this event though, so starting something like this sooner, while Trump's rhetoric is great, would be crucial.

Either way, he gets the large attendance that he deserves.

I think all genuine people, left and right, would support something like this. Thoughts? Take it away!

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm all for it but we will need to have support from outside this forum if we want to even be noticed.

 

[acptulsa]

A campaign promise deadline? We gave you power. Use it or lose it!

I like it. Long past time American voters learn to fix their mistakes.

I've seen several attempts to publish voting records of those in congress get ignored. But one specifically geared toward campaign promises kept/ignored/violated might get a little traction.

Yes, Trump 2020 is the perfect place to start, especially since the Democrats are trying to talk their supporters into backing The War Party. He tweeted enough about peace in 2016.

It needs a good slogan...

 

[JoshLowry]

And right out the gate we have this gold:

USE IT OR LOSE IT

 

[RJB]

Most the fights are over predictions. I see that as silly because all of us who have been here a while have been wrong often.

I like the direction Trump seems to be moving. As long as he's scaling down, he has my support. If he doesn't, he won't have my support.

There is a lot of smoke over what's going on in the Middle East. I think we should at least wait for the smoke to clear before insulting each other.

And some people should put each other on ignore. I see a lot of the same people rehashing fights from bad blood from 2015. I don't get that. Most of us have lost our temper, but meh, let it go.

 

[acptulsa]

Given who we're talking about here, how about...?

Peace or Yer Fired!

The deadline seems clear enough. 11/2 or 3/20.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Given who we're talking about here, how about...?

Peace or Yer Fired!

The deadline seems clear enough. 11/2 or 3/20.

Trump won't lose the nomination and if we are going to put pressure on him it should be before the general election.

Any deadline needs to be based on the political situation making it possible for him to begin bringing troops home without getting impeached, if you aren't going to factor that in then the pressure might as well just start now.

 

[Mach]

Why would he keep trying to pull out if he wasn't serious, he's the only one that brings it up in the first place.

10/21/19

 

[Swordsmyth]

Why would he keep trying to pull out if he wasn't serious, he's the only one that brings it up in the first place.

10/21/19

Exactly, if he fails after bringing it up over and over he opens himself up to being attacked for not fulfilling his promise when he could have just let everyone forget it and if anyone brought it up he could cite the "experts" to say it wasn't the right time yet.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm all for it but we will need to have support from outside this forum if we want to even be noticed.

Trump won't lose the nomination and if we are going to put pressure on him it should be before the general election.

Any deadline needs to be based on the political situation making it possible for him to begin bringing troops home without getting impeached, if you aren't going to factor that in then the pressure might as well just start now.

11/3/20 is the general election. And of course we'd have to start now.

Duh.

This site won't do it by itself? So make yourself useful and tell us what other sites won't ban anyone who even mentions peace.

 

[Swordsmyth]

11/3/20 is the general election. And of course we'd have to start now.

Duh.

Josh suggested a deadline for Trump to follow through by in 2020, you suggested two dates, I said the general election was too late and that we should either pick one earlier than that which allowed for the political considerations or just start now.

Are you just trying to pick a fight?

This site won't do it by itself? So make yourself useful and tell us what other sites won't ban anyone who even mentions peace.

Free Republic has a large "Bring them Home" contingent.
I don't go much of anyplace else but here and there that has much of an audience but maybe others can suggest some places.

 

[Origanalist]

11/3/20 is the general election. And of course we'd have to start now.

Duh.

This site won't do it by itself? So make yourself useful and tell us what other sites won't ban anyone who even mentions peace.

Minds, it's not yuge but it seems to be gaining traction. I'm active there and would be happy to spread the word. I'm all for it, use it or lose it!

 

[Origanalist]

Dupe

 

[acptulsa]

Josh suggested a deadline for Trump to follow through by in 2020, you suggested two dates, I said the general election was too late and that we should either pick one earlier than that which allowed for the political considerations or just start now.

Of course we'd have to get going immediately.

As for the deadline, what's wrong with 11/2? You figure it must come before the primaries, or you can't play because you can't vote for anyone who's not a Republican?

We've got experience with the GOP primary process. There's no way to primary a sitting president. His party's nomination is the absolute least of Trump's worries. Peace can't be secured by setting up a paper tiger.

11/2/20 is just fine.

This is a seriously promising idea. Trump made the promise as part of an America First campaign, and Republicans responded because they're the ones who wind up coughing up the majority of the blood and treasure that makes war possible. So, the MSM is trying to turn the Democrats into warmongers, and they are stirring up serious resentment with that.

That's what I call perfect conditions for a lightning strike to cause a brushfire. A nonpartisan brushfire.

The MSM would tell us it can't work. Would we believe them? Will we tell ourselves the same?

 

[Anti Globalist]

Sounds like a pretty good idea to me.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Of course we'd have to get going immediately.

Josh suggested a deadline for withdrawals in 2020, it's not 2020 yet.

As for the deadline, what's wrong with 11/2?

Because by then any leverage is gone, either he wins or he loses and if he hasn't pulled troops out in significant numbers he will have a second term as a lame duck thanks to the term limit on Presidents that is unlikely to be amended away.

You figure it must come before the primaries, or you can't play because you can't vote for anyone who's not a Republican?

Aside from speculating on my motives and making it personal (we aren't supposed to do that, or are you immune?) that's just wrong, see above.

We've got experience with the GOP primary process. There's no way to primary a sitting president. His party's nomination is the absolute least of Trump's worries. Peace can't be secured by setting up a paper tiger.

I was the one that said he would get the nomination for sure so the primaries and the convention are irrelevant.

11/2/20 is just fine.

See above, he needs to be held to a deadline before that.

 

[acptulsa]

Is antiwar.com reliable these days? Would they play?

 

[oyarde]

What are we talking about here , Afghanistan ?

 

[Dr.3D]

What are we talking about here , Afghanistan ?

No, we're debating Trump again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What are we talking about here , Afghanistan ?

I think any significant withdrawal from overseas (but particularly the ME and the war zones) should count but Josh will have to tell us what he would count.