Pardon all non-violent drug users = 10+ Million Votes!

Is Pardoning all non-violent drug users a good idea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 222 94.1%
  • No

    Votes: 14 5.9%

  • Total voters
    236
This is my last post on this topic as we really should be out in our Voter ID/ GOTV efforts.
1. Juries do not have the power to nullify laws. They have the power to nullify the application of a law in a particular case.
2. The judical power of the U.S. is vested in one Supreme Court and the other courts are inferior to it.
3. Bush is enforcing a law that was enacted by your duly elected representatives. Laws are enacted by the will of the people through their representatives.
4. Whether you and I may like it or not, the Supreme Court believes that the production, possession and sale of drugs in one state that would allow such activity, creates an undue burden on states that would choose to criminalize the production, possession and sale of drugs. This conflict between the states provides the Legislature the opportunity to create legislation to promote "the general welfare" and to "regulate commerce between the states". A president that ignored that position of the other two branches of government is acting as a dictator.

Sort of like Lincoln when he attacked the South?

As I remember the Marijuana Tax act was thrown out as un-Constitutional.
The laws were reintroduced. I do not know of any Constitutional amendment that made it illegal.
The one for Alcohol was repealed as a very bad idea.
 
you lose your ability to vote when you are convicted of a felony and it would take more than just a pardon to get it back, you have to go through the court system, and in many states its complicated.

My thoughts at first but . . .

These non-violent drug offenders - especially medicinal cannabis -
DO HAVE FAMILIES - siblings cousins etc. etc.

And btw, the medical industrial complex pharmaceutical giants peddling synthetic chemical drugs, which destroy hepatic function -
are far, far worse to the health of the nation and health care costs.

And now it's known that the cholesterol-lowering drugs - the statins like Lipitor and Crestor -
will eventually cause dementia because the brain cells need some cholesterol to function effectively.

This might explain McCain . . .

 
Is there any video on this topic from Dr. Paul? I'd like to ad something of this topic to a DVD i want to circulate.
 
some retarded republicans might not see the advantage to this, focus on the GOP nomination. i think this could work in the main presidential election though.
 
I know I'd be happy if he pardoned all non-violent drug users and legalized all drugs.

*Puff puff
 
Our system of government consists of three branches. The Judiciary is responsible for determining what does and what does not overstep Constitutional authority. At the current time, the judiciary says that the federal drug laws do not overstep the Constitutional authority of the legislature. Unless you can change the position of the Judiciary or the position of the Legislature, anyone convicted of a crime should should serve out the sentence.

Where did the Judiciary get its position as unelected source of extra-constitutional power from? Remember, that power was self-granted in Marbury. That case set a disturbing precedent for judicial activism/tyranny down the road. They are the enablers of Congress's power grabs because we have this attitude that if the Supreme Court says it's okay, then it's okay.

This attitude is provably damaging to freedom because the Supreme Court has never to this day reversed any previous Supreme-Court sponsored expansion of Leviathan's powers or contraction of Constitutionally-guaranteed rights. Judicial tyranny demonstrably leads us down a road of the ever-expanding state.

Just because the "check" of the Judiciary on the Legislature has failed to protect our rights against a tyranny of the Legislature doesn't mean that the Executive cannot also be a "check" as long as he acts within the Constitution. Pardoning someone whose rights have been violated through a judicial/legislative tyranny is certainly within his powers.
 
1. Juries do not have the power to nullify laws. They have the power to nullify the application of a law in a particular case.

If prosecution of a law is predictably hampered due to a reasonable probability of a mistrial, then the juries who acquitted in the past have effectively nullified that law.

2. The judical power of the U.S. is vested in one Supreme Court and the other courts are inferior to it.

Inferior judges are only bound by laws which are enacted pursuant to the Constitution. Everyone's oath to the Constitution is his own to carry out as he sees fit. Judicial tyranny by the Supreme Court does not excuse one's own oath and his own conscience and the judgement of his peers.

3. Bush is enforcing a law that was enacted by your duly elected representatives. Laws are enacted by the will of the people through their representatives.

That would be the essence of the republican form of government, but we are not just a republic, we are a constitutional republic.

4. Whether you and I may like it or not, the Supreme Court believes that the production, possession and sale of drugs in one state that would allow such activity, creates an undue burden on states that would choose to criminalize the production, possession and sale of drugs.

Actually, that's not true. Read the relevant cases. Even non-commercial growing in one's own home is considered economic activity within the reach of the federal government, with no consideration to the inalienable right of liberty in the absence of infringing someone else's rights.

This conflict between the states provides the Legislature the opportunity to create legislation to promote "the general welfare" and to "regulate commerce between the states".

That quote is not in the Constitution, it is the power to regulate commerce among the several states, that is, acts of commerce that occur between actors in two different states, not simple individual activity that has some second or third order economic effect that propagates across state lines. With this interpretation, there is no act you could possibly commit that would not be within the scope of Leviathan's powers, and thus the whole idea of limited, enumerated powers is rendered null at the judiciary's discretion.

A president that ignored that position of the other two branches of government is acting as a dictator.

A president that carries out unconstitutional, rights-violating laws is complicit in tyranny. Which would you rather be?

Also, I don't quite get why you're here preaching that we should acquiesce to the establishment's interpretation of the Constitution, no matter how wrong it may be, simply because they have the reins of power. Isn't Dr. Paul's belief that the establishment has perverted and subverted the Constitution and that we should be returning to a strict textual reading of it?
 
Pardoning someone whose rights have been violated through a judicial/legislative tyranny is certainly within his powers.

Whether or not someone's rights have been violated, or whether any rulings issued by the Supreme Court is immaterial. Here's what the constitution says:

...and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

There are no limits to the President's power to grant reprieves and pardons, other than in cases of impeachment. No reasons need to be given, no one's rights need to have been violated.
 
I think this is a fringe issue - people who really want to vote b/c of this will do enough research to find out rapidly that they should vote for RP. Forcing the issue on the table of the mainstream Republicans will only lead to ridicule. Thus you don't loose votes by not talking about the issue but you do loose votes by talking about it.
It's like romney doesn't need to talk about being a Mormon to get Mormon's to vote for him, but if he does talk about, people who don't know he is a Mormon, might no longer vote for him. So he doesn't throw it on the table at the debates.
 
you lose your ability to vote when you are convicted of a felony and it would take more than just a pardon to get it back, you have to go through the court system, and in many states its complicated.

Actually the ACLU has a program right now to help convicted felons to get their rights back.
 
:eek:

Wow, who were the five (as of now) that voted "no"?

I cannot imagine a Dr. Paul supporter having a rational explanation for that.:confused:


Hey you should have seen all the shit we got for going to Seattle hempfest and setting up a RP booth on the meetup groups. You couldn't convince them it was a good thing to reach 200,000+ people a day for 2 days was a good thing.
 
Hey you should have seen all the shit we got for going to Seattle hempfest and setting up a RP booth on the meetup groups. You couldn't convince them it was a good thing to reach 200,000+ people a day for 2 days was a good thing.

It's that good ol' government indoctrination of "Drugs are bad, mmmkay?" Even when presented with a wealth of facts that prove the opposite their brains are still programmed to react a certain way. A classic example are people who have no problem with alcohol yet look down their nose at you when you mention you enjoy marijuana.

(Remember D.A.R.E. in 5th grade? It was a five-week program that taught young, fragile minds the horrors of drugs and how they destroyed your life. I remember "graduating" and getting a "diploma". I also remember how it was a colossal waste of money, didn't curb usage at all, and spread lies and half-truths to children.)

Reaching out to these people is a tremendous idea.
 
It's that good ol' government indoctrination of "Drugs are bad, mmmkay?" Even when presented with a wealth of facts that prove the opposite their brains are still programmed to react a certain way. A classic example are people who have no problem with alcohol yet look down their nose at you when you mention you enjoy marijuana.

(Remember D.A.R.E. in 5th grade? It was a five-week program that taught young, fragile minds the horrors of drugs and how they destroyed your life. I remember "graduating" and getting a "diploma". I also remember how it was a colossal waste of money, didn't curb usage at all, and spread lies and half-truths to children.)

Reaching out to these people is a tremendous idea.

Yes it is. It's delightful to see Ron Paul demonstrate such courage on this winning issue.
 
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