Pakistan on Verge of Collapse

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1172651/Pakistan-verge-collapse-Taliban-surge-Islamabad.html

The capital of Pakistan was under threat last night after Taliban fighters threatened to overrun the volatile country and came within 60 miles of Islamabad.

It is feared the state is on the brink of collapse as Taliban fighters get closer to the nuclear powers of the country.
As violence broke out in the north-west corner of the country, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Pakistan posed a 'mortal threat' to the world.

'I think the Pakistani government is basically abdicating to the Taliban and the extremists,' she added.

And White House spokesman Robert Gibbs echoed her concerns. He said last night: 'The news over the past several days is very disturbing.'
The comments came as Pakistani paramilitary troops were deployed on Thursday to the Buner district, which has been virtually taken over by the Taliban and is close to the capital.

Unidentified gunmen their attacked convoy, killing a policeman escorting them.
The security of Pakistan is viewed as vital to American efforts to stabilise neighbouring Afghanistan. Militants are already attempting to cut off supply chains to troops stationed there.

Dozens of militants armed with guns and gasoline bombs blew up five tankers carrying fuel to NATO troops in Afghanistan.
There are fears that the Taliban, who have already been handed control of the Swat valley, could now take Islamabad and topple the government.
'If the Taliban continue their advances at the current pace they will soon be knocking at the doors of Islamabad,' Fazl-ur-Rehman, head of the Jamiat-e-ulema-e-Islam, the country's largest Islamic party, told parliament.

Residents in the embattled Buner district claim militants have occupied police stations and that gun-toting fighters were roaming marketplaces urging people to support Sharia law.

Taliban fighters have also set up checkpoints and are patrolling roads.

Many police and government officials appear to have either fled or are keeping a low profile.

'A platoon of the Frontier Corps has arrived in Buner to help police maintain security in the district,' Arsala Khan, a deputy police superintendent said.

Many in Buner are now too frightened to speak to reporters.
However, one judge said that the militants had entered the district in 'large numbers' and started setting up checkpoints at main roads and strategic positions.

'They are patrolling in Buner, and local elders and clerics are negotiating with them to resolve this issue through talks,' Istiqbal Khan said.
The militants in Buner also are using radio airwaves to broadcast sermons about Islam, and have occupied the homes of some prominent landowners, said a police official who insisted on anonymity because he was afraid of retaliation.

He said the militants have also warned barbers to stop shaving men's beards and stores to stop selling music and movies.
The militants have established a major base in the village of Sultanwas and have set up positions in the nearby hills, the police official said.

Taliban have also taken over the shrine of a famed Sufi saint known as Pir Baba, he said.

An attack on the NATO truck depo in Peshawar, near the Afghan border, only confirmed the deteriorating security situation.

The route is part of a critical supply line up through the famed Khyber Pass into Afghanistan.
Islamabad has made a desperate effort to downplay the Taliban advance.

Major General Athar Abbas, the Pakistan Army's chief spokesman, insisted the situation in Buner was not as dire as some have portrayed, claiming militants were in control of less than 25 per cent of the district

'We are fully aware of the situation,' Abbas said. 'The other side has been informed to move these people out of this area.'

Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari officially handed Swat and other districts in the Malakand Division to the Taliban last week after two years of clashes between militants and security forces.

The government had hoped that the peace deal would calm the region where hundreds have been killed and up to a third of the one-time tourist haven's 1.5million residents had been displaced.

However, the Taliban leadership now seem intent on pushing the boundaries of their regime.

In a video call from Afghanistan, Major General Michael S. Tucker said that the situation in Swat was a concern.

'We're keeping an eye on it, and are working daily with the Pakistan military,' he said.

Rasul Bakhsh Rais, professor of political science at Lahore University of Management Sciences, said the Taliban may have concluded from the Swat deal that authorities will cave in to violent demands for Islamic law elsewhere.

'They have natural allies in the religious political parties in other parts of the country,' he said.

'They have social and religious networks that have support their suicide attacks and attacks against the security forces.

'It is about the identity of Pakistan and the future direction that Pakistan can take.'

In a recent interview, Swat Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and other militants aiming to oust the U.S. from Afghanistan would be welcome and protected in Swat — a statement the government condemned.

He said the militants want to see all of Pakistan under Islamic law.

Pakistani officials complain that India and other regional rivals are fomenting trouble in its border regions.

On Wednesday, Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik accused Afghanistan of offering sanctuary to a separatist leader from Pakistan's restive Baluchistan province.

Malik claimed that Bramdagh Bugti was living in Kabul and that phone taps implicated him in the kidnapping in Baluchistan of an American U.N. worker freed earlier this month.

Speaking in Parliament, Malik also alleged that Baluch rebels were being trained at camps in Afghanistan and implied that they were supported by India and Russia.

American officials acknowledge that such tension and mistrust is hampering efforts to combat the Taliban.

Lots of pictures in the article, but what really scares me about this, is that now Alan Keyes is talking about false flag attacks, more wars, etc. Could this be an excuse for one? Everyone is saying that we'll be attacked again. Kind of funny how they so openly predict it now, as though it's not confidential at all.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1172651/Pakistan-verge-collapse-Taliban-surge-Islamabad.html



Lots of pictures in the article, but what really scares me about this, is that now Alan Keyes is talking about false flag attacks, more wars, etc. Could this be an excuse for one? Everyone is saying that we'll be attacked again. Kind of funny how they so openly predict it now, as though it's not confidential at all.


Pakistan is so f'ed. I think most people in the West think of the Taliban in Pakistan as a few dozen crazies doing random acts of terrorism. If you check out videos on Google or YouTube you can see how insane the situation is. There is a lot of support for the Taliban and they have tons of weapons.
I saw a documentary on BBC where the Pakistani army went in with tanks, truckloads of troops and army vehicles to uproot some Taliban fighters and all you see is a stream of soldiers running back and calling for retreat.
 
Pakistan is so f'ed. I think most people in the West think of the Taliban in Pakistan as a few dozen crazies doing random acts of terrorism. If you check out videos on Google or YouTube you can see how insane the situation is. There is a lot of support for the Taliban and they have tons of weapons.
I saw a documentary on BBC where the Pakistani army went in with tanks, truckloads of troops and army vehicles to uproot some Taliban fighters and all you see is a stream of soldiers running back and calling for retreat.

If they succeed in taking over Pakistan, they'll have a nuclear weapon.
 
If they succeed in taking over Pakistan, they'll have a nuclear weapon.

... and that's why Israel is suddenly saying they aren't worried about Iran - they're worried about Pakistan. ... and suddenly H.Clinton is saying Pakistan is a threat to humanity.
 
The Daily Mail is the closest thing we have to FOX News in the UK btw. Example - if there are 2 million illegal aliens in the UK as an estimated figure, the Daily Mail's headline will be: TENS OF MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN YOUR STREET RIGHT NOW! - You get my idea.

The Pakistani government is, however, letting regions of Pakistan become semi-autonomous (basically under Taliban control), and this is a real threat, and one that will never be solved with tanks, guns, and a million more civillian deaths.
 
We are probably WELL OVER $20 Billion now since the beginning of the Dubya regime... the creative funding has been funneling in from the American Taxpayers through all avenues of program funds.

The OIL PIPELINE, the Billion dollar ports, Humanitarian AID of M-16s for all Pakistani families(who knows maybe;)). There's so much in covert funds through so many different agencies and international front stores since the early 80's. I don't think even Washington DC can tally it all. I wish they would use the funds to clean up Karachi, that's the filthiest place on the planet, IMO.


My goodness, the money wasted overseas is simple astounding. Bad news, there's still some stinger missles lurking around...

Thank goodness all the foreign aid we've given (12 billion)/pledged (3 billion) isn't going to waste. Apparently we haven't 'given' enough. :rolleyes:

Direct Overt U.S. Aid and Military Reimbursements to Pakistan, FY2002-FY2009
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf
 
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We'll pay/fund India to invade and secure the NUKES.

Then look for another Trillion dollar police action to clean up the Pakistani mess, once again, blow back from FAILED FOREIGN POLICIES.

Russia will sit back with popcorn and enjoy some reality warfare show.

WTF... it's only the people's money, while everyone in Washington DC becomes much wealthier than when they arrived.


PS: good time for Russia to roust that US puppet Georgian president Mikhail 'Ethnic Cleasning' Saakashvili, eh?

I'm usually against deploying more troops, but shit, should we really let this happen?
 
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i made a bet with my friend earlier that obama will invade pakistan...gets closer and closer to coming true all the time. it really is tragic as we are responsible for creating this enemy... but what do we do now?
 
i made a bet with my friend earlier that obama will invade pakistan...gets closer and closer to coming true all the time. it really is tragic as we are responsible for creating this enemy... but what do we do now?

We are responsible for creating fundamentalist Muslim regime of the Taliban? I know the history of the region, but we actually forced people to kill and repress their own people in the name of the their own religion? Is this what you're saying?
 
Lots of pictures in the article, but what really scares me about this, is that now Alan Keyes is talking about false flag attacks, more wars, etc. Could this be an excuse for one? Everyone is saying that we'll be attacked again. Kind of funny how they so openly predict it now, as though it's not confidential at all.

Also, there's nothing to say that the false flag attack will be on American soil this time...just has to be big enough to justify a response...which of course, wouldn't be a pre-emptive strike this time around; less political and public opposition if we are seen to be going to the aid of an ally rather than protecting our own interests.

Pakistani nukes have a considerable range.

This worries me a lot, on a number of levels.

Plus, if Clinton is calling Pakistan a "threat to all humanity", you know this eventuality was planned for at some level. The globalists never waste a crisis...and this would raise huge popular support for a European US missile shield, wouldn't it?

Related story from last year: Are Pakistan's nuclear weapons safe?
 
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We are responsible for creating fundamentalist Muslim regime of the Taliban? I know the history of the region, but we actually forced people to kill and repress their own people in the name of the their own religion? Is this what you're saying?

America produced thousands of textbooks encouraging radical Islam in Pakistan and possibly Afghanistan too, in the 70s and 80s, and did all it could to encourage radical Islamic teaching during this period, because this was our tool for 'fighting communism' during the Cold War - not to mention the fact that America very directly funded the Mujahideen of Afghanistan, armed them to the teeth with AKs, RPGs, advanced shoulder-operated-Surface-to-Air missle systems, etc. etc. - the origins of both Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

And it was very successful for a few years, until America replaced the Soviets as the targets of the people we funded, trained and armed.
 
He asked a valid question. It does not call for you to insult him. Either put up with something better than a wikipedia citation or back off.

I agree :)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22?language=printer

From Washington Post article said:
By Joe Stephens and David B. Ottaway
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 23, 2002; Page A01

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

Couple links that might prove some interesting reading referencing the statement I made:

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=taliban

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/Headlines/Jihad-and-Jihadism

This sort of propaganda has its precedent - the military today even has specific regiments whose purpose is to distribute pamphlets and the like in Iraq and Afghanistan, but that's not surprising - more surprising is the work the CIA did in Nicaragua, specifically in encouraging the dissatisfied among the population of engaging in economic/argricultural sabotage and such like, and providing them material to explain how to do so, also known as: The Freedom Fighter's Manual - copies of which were air-dropped into the country by the CIA.

/edit and for more on the Iran-Contra scandal in Nicaragua here's the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran/Contra - I like wikipedia as an umbrella of information and a good starting point to learn about specific events - don't take anything on wikipedia at face value of course, but I encourage following the citations and doing your own research on subjects :) (Not directed at anyone just musing generally).
 
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I'm usually against deploying more troops, but shit, should we really let this happen?

I don't see why not. I still say pull out entirely and let the whole middle east either work out their own problems or self destruct. It's nature's way.
 
Everything in the news is not true.

We can expect a military coup in Pakistan, within weeks/months.

btw Zardari/Rehman Mallik are CIA puppets, and Pakistani ISI have exposed them.
 
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