Our US Constitution is NOT a social contract.

[heavenlyboy34]

FFs: "Lissen up, everybody! We're here to protect your RIGHTS! Do we have your consent?"
People: "I dunno....it's sounds too good to be true...what's the downside?"
FFs: "There IS NO downside! A downside would mean violating your Rights without your consent! Do we have a deal?"
People: "Sure! We'd be stupid NOT to!"
FF's: "Great! Now give us your money."
People: "Woah...hold on...you can't do that."
FF's: "Of course we can...you gave us your consent ."

+rep

 

[heavenlyboy34]

AF, erowe, et. al have brought so much win into this thread that I regretfully cannot +rep all of it. Beg your pardon, amigos. Peace unto y'all and keep up the good work.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"A principal, which having been generally purchased for two shillings and six pence on the pound, will yield to the holders two hundred and forty per cent. This paper system therefore, though in general an evil, is in this instance attended with the great benefit of enabling the public to cancel a debt upon easy terms, which has been swelled to its enormous size, by as enormous impositions. And the new government, by promising too much, will involve itself in a disreputable breach of faith." - Anti-Federalist No. 12

 

[Anti Federalist]

"If the constitution, offered to your acceptance, be a wise one, calculated to preserve the invaluable blessings of liberty, to secure the inestimable rights of mankind, and promote human happiness, then, if you accept it, you will lay a lasting foundation of happiness for millions yet unborn; generations to come will rise up and call you blessed. You may rejoice in the prospects of this vast extended continent becoming filled with freemen, who will assert the dignity of human nature. You may solace yourselves with the idea, that society, in this favoured land, will fast advance to the highest point of perfection; the human mind will expand in knowledge and virtue, and the golden age be, in some measure, realised. But if, on the other hand, this form of government contains principles that will lead to the subversion of liberty—if it tends to establish a despotism, or, what is worse, a tyrannic aristocracy; then, if you adopt it, this only remaining assylum for liberty will be shut up, and posterity will execrate your memory." – Anti-Federalist No. 17

 

[HVACTech]

"If the constitution, offered to your acceptance, be a wise one, calculated to preserve the invaluable blessings of liberty, to secure the inestimable rights of mankind, and promote human happiness, then, if you accept it, you will lay a lasting foundation of happiness for millions yet unborn; generations to come will rise up and call you blessed. You may rejoice in the prospects of this vast extended continent becoming filled with freemen, who will assert the dignity of human nature. You may solace yourselves with the idea, that society, in this favoured land, will fast advance to the highest point of perfection; the human mind will expand in knowledge and virtue, and the golden age be, in some measure, realised. But if, on the other hand, this form of government contains principles that will lead to the subversion of liberty—if it tends to establish a despotism, or, what is worse, a tyrannic aristocracy; then, if you adopt it, this only remaining assylum for liberty will be shut up, and posterity will execrate your memory." – Anti-Federalist No. 17

thank you AF for your wise counsel.
I will now request that my account be closed. (casey jones style) and leave the country.

as you well know, many of us became ex pats in 07.
I stuck around because I believed it was worth both fighting for and saving.

fighting with you, over defending the CONstitution. on RPF's of all places.. has convinced me otherwise.

have fun freezing your ass off up there buddy.
I am going to seek a job in the Caribbean.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Thanks for sharing all that, AF. The Anti-Federalist reads like lofty, profound, wise poetry. Kinda like psalms against the CONstitution.

 

[TheTexan]

thank you AF for your wise counsel.
I will now request that my account be closed. (casey jones style) and leave the country.

as you well know, many of us became ex pats in 07.
I stuck around because I believed it was worth both fighting for and saving.

fighting with you, over defending the CONstitution. on RPF's of all places.. has convinced me otherwise.

have fun freezing your ass off up there buddy.
I am going to seek a job in the Caribbean.

Haha good luck in the caribbean they probably dont even have a constitution... they probably have some other kind of document.

Constitution ftw

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Haha good luck in the caribbean they probably dont even have a constitution... they probably have some other kind of document.

Constitution ftw

LMFAO!!!! You crack me up, bro.

 

[Ender]

thank you AF for your wise counsel.
I will now request that my account be closed. (casey jones style) and leave the country.

as you well know, many of us became ex pats in 07.
I stuck around because I believed it was worth both fighting for and saving.

fighting with you, over defending the CONstitution. on RPF's of all places.. has convinced me otherwise.

have fun freezing your ass off up there buddy.
I am going to seek a job in the Caribbean.

Sometimes ya just gotta get over your public school edumacation and face the truth, Dude.

Can be a mind-blower at first- a blessing later.

 

[Anti Federalist]

thank you AF for your wise counsel.
I will now request that my account be closed. (casey jones style) and leave the country.

as you well know, many of us became ex pats in 07.
I stuck around because I believed it was worth both fighting for and saving.

fighting with you, over defending the CONstitution. on RPF's of all places.. has convinced me otherwise.

have fun freezing your ass off up there buddy.
I am going to seek a job in the Caribbean.

Good luck.

I've lived in the Caribbean before.

Endless summer and island paradise ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Besides, I'm not "fighting you", you silly man, I am discussing with you.

 

[Anti Federalist]

thank you AF for your wise counsel.
I will now request that my account be closed. (casey jones style) and leave the country.

as you well know, many of us became ex pats in 07.
I stuck around because I believed it was worth both fighting for and saving.

fighting with you, over defending the CONstitution. on RPF's of all places.. has convinced me otherwise.

have fun freezing your ass off up there buddy.
I am going to seek a job in the Caribbean.

Good luck.

I've lived in the Caribbean before.

Endless summer and island paradise ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Besides, I'm not "fighting you", you silly man, I am discussing with you.

 

[HVACTech]

Good luck.

I've lived in the Caribbean before.

Endless summer and island paradise ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Besides, I'm not "fighting you", you silly man, I am discussing with you.

you, have convinced me to go ex pat.

this land has become a Police state, and is no longer worth fighting for, or over.
we should have listened to the anti-federalists.

 

[Anti Federalist]

yah. a good friend on mine. (was a basic neocon) is taking the courses at Hillsdale college.

http://lp.hillsdale.edu/constitutio...=drtv&utm_content=website&utm_campaign=con101

he is now on the 2nd level.. and we talk about it daily.
check this out dude, the education that we got back in the day, is holding up pretty darn good.
ceptin of course for that "anti-federalist" guy. I KNOW what that means now...

this site has anti-constitution gatekeepers....
and in case you have not noticed, they promote open rebellion as the ONLY just option.

I am here to PROMOTE and explain the US Constitution.
for that is what Dr Paul did for us.

That explains a lot.

 

[HVACTech]

That explains a lot.

yah, my friend is a noob, sorta like you in a way.

Belize, Guatemala and the Honduras are really the only practical choices.

MY problem down there..
is, that at over 6'3" thin, blond hair and blue eyes... I will stick out like a... sore thumb.

you would fit in better.

 

[Anti Federalist]

yah, my friend is a noob, sorta like you in a way.

Belize, Guatemala and the Honduras are really the only practical choices.

MY problem down there..
is, that at over 6'3" thin, blond hair and blue eyes... I will stick out like a... sore thumb.

you would fit in better.

Roatan is a lot more expensive than Hot Springs.

I'm taller, fatter and whiter than you.

I've already stuck out enough.

 

[HVACTech]

Roatan is a lot more expensive than Hot Springs.

I'm taller, fatter and whiter than you.

I've already stuck out enough.

expense is relative to location. try this. place a service call for a walk in freezer wherever the fuck you live.
or a commercial ice machine. yes, they have those even in fucking Alaska.

and you will find out who you are talking to.

oh, and I thank you very much! I was not yet aware of Roatán. my friend and I are both skilled and have our own money.
we would like to find someplace where we can do some good you know?

 

[Anti Federalist]

expense is relative to location. try this. place a service call for a walk in freezer wherever the fuck you live.
or a commercial ice machine. yes, they have those even in fucking Alaska.

and you will find out who you are talking to.

oh, and I thank you very much! I was not yet aware of Roatán. my friend and I are both skilled and have our own money.
we would like to find someplace where we can do some good you know?

I make my own ice.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

what you are asking sir, is for me to prove a negative. this is not something that I can do.

You are the one claiming the Constitution does not apply to the people beginning in the OP.

You also asserted:

WITHOUT the BOR, its purpose and intent would have been clear.

and haven't proven that one either ...

separate the original Constitution from the BOR and all of the amendments.
the BOR was added 3 years later.

now, can you see what I am talking about?

No. In the post I wrote I didn't even mention the BoR. The BoR came after anything I mentioned as well. I can provide some legal citations to actually illustrate government has interpreted the Constitution using rationale I provided above. I don't think I need to as you ought to be familiar with a few. So if what I have asserted is true in that government has interpreted the Constitution in a certain historical light that has nothing to do with the BoR you need to be able to demonstrate 1) your claim about interpreting the Constitution without the BoR has any merit, 2) the branch of government and entities established by the Constitution to judge are wrong, and 3) a remedy established by the Constitution responsive to a judicial branch of government that errors in judgement.

 

[HVACTech]

You are the one claiming the Constitution does not apply to the people beginning in the OP.

You also asserted:

and haven't proven that one either ...




No. In the post I wrote I didn't even mention the BoR. The BoR came after anything I mentioned as well. I can provide some legal citations to actually illustrate government has interpreted the Constitution using rationale I provided above. I don't think I need to as you ought to be familiar with a few. So if what I have asserted is true in that government has interpreted the Constitution in a certain historical light that has nothing to do with the BoR you need to be able to demonstrate 1) your claim about interpreting the Constitution without the BoR has any merit, 2) the branch of government and entities established by the Constitution to judge are wrong, and 3) a remedy established by the Constitution responsive to a judicial branch of government that errors in judgement.

you are trying really, REALLY hard to make this complicated and complex.
we have one of the shortest Constitutions (rule of law) in the world. in fact probably THE shortest.

Interpreting the Constitution

The purpose of a written constitution is entirely defeated if, in interpreting it as a legal document, its provisions are manipulated and worked around so that the document means whatever the manipulators wish. Jefferson recognized this danger and spoke out constantly for careful adherence to the Constitution as written, with changes to be made by amendment, not by tortured and twisted interpretations of the text.

"The Constitution on which our Union rests, shall be administered by me [as President] according to the safe and honest meaning contemplated by the plain understanding of the people of the United States at the time of its adoption--a meaning to be found in the explanations of those who advocated, not those who opposed it, and who opposed it merely lest the construction should be applied which they denounced as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Address, 1801. ME 10:248

when Tom returned from France. what was his opinion of the "anti-Federalists"?

 

[HVACTech]

lol

And "the states" are...?

I get your malfunction now, at least... you think "states" are an actual thing.

They're not. They're figments of your imagination.

ha ha! YOU are SO funny!

and FUCKING stupid enough to suggest that a senior HVAC/R service tech does NOT know what a "state" is.

a "state" is a "phase" azzhat.

care to challenge MY definition of the word "state"?