Our Founders were Anarchists.

They were about as anarchist as the house GOP that just put out this crappy tax plan I am reading now . It actually looks exactly like a Dem tax plan . Add a couple trillion to the debt in a decade or so and lower tax deductions and an increase in the child credit .
 
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"Our" (for those who wish to claim them) founders were hardcore statists who envied the power over American subjects wielded by the regime across the pond and fought to wrest that power away from said regime so that they could have it themselves, and then increase it and maximize its increase, ultimately making themselves and those in future generations to whom they would pass down that power, the pinnacle of global government.

At the expense of you and me.
 
Superfluous Man said:
"Our" (for those who wish to claim them) founders were hardcore statists who envied the power over American subjects wielded by the regime across the pond and fought to wrest that power away from said regime so that they could have it themselves, and then increase it and maximize its increase, ultimately making themselves and those in future generations to whom they would pass down that power, the pinnacle of global government.

At the expense of you and me.
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That seems about right .
 
Sonny Tufts said:
A league of what? Local governments, of course. The State of Virginia, for example, was hardly some kind of anarchic commune.
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that's a good question. each state has its own Constitution. and is required to be a Republic.
if you take a close look at our form of Goonerment. :)
an attempt was made... to push "Power" down to its lowest level.
that being, the local Sheriff.

what is the difference between a "sheriff" and the " police"?
A Sheriff works for and is elected by the people.
the "Police" work for a Corporation.

our founders were NOT fools. what they sought to do... the "original intent" sir.
was to limit the "Goonerment" in support of the individual..
in the beginning, our country was all about the individual. not the Goonerment.
 
oyarde said:
They were about as anarchist as the house GOP that just put out this crappy tax plan I am reading now . It actually looks exactly like a Dem tax plan . Add a couple trillion to the debt in a decade or so and lower tax deductions and an increase in the child credit .
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our founders.. are NOT responsible for ANY of the amendments... past the 10th. (1793 for the infamous "anti-Federalist)

can we agree on this fact sir? :rolleyes:
 
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HVACTech said:
our founders were NOT fools. what they sought to do... the "original intent" sir.
was to limit the "Goonerment" in support of the individual..
in the beginning, our country was all about the individual. not the Goonerment.
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The point is that it's incorrect to say that the founders were anarchists, given that they were in favor of maintaining strong governments at the State level. Perhaps you forgot the following part of the Declaration of Independence:

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.
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HVACTech said:
that's a good question. each state has its own Constitution. and is required to be a Republic.
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That's an easy requirement to fulfill. All a state has to do is call itself a republic, like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea does.

They also have a constitution.
 
HVACTech said:
our founders were NOT fools. what they sought to do... the "original intent" sir.
was to limit the "Goonerment" in support of the individual..
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No. What they sought to do was to convince the people that their intent was to limit government in support of the individual, so that they could foist upon them a Constitution that was carefully designed to help them accomplish the exact opposite of that.
 
Oh, good... HVACTech is creating threads in the political philosophy subforum. This place has been lacking finger-paint pieces for the refrigerator, lately.
 
my point has now officially been made. [MENTION=677]RonPaulForum[/MENTION]s.com.

it is simply NOT possible to talk about our founders or our founding documents... PERIOD!!!!

even if you compare them to Anarchists! LOL!

I submit for candid review. that if Ron Paul himself were truly the "Champion of the Constitution"
it would be possible to discuss matters pertaining to the Constitution in a civil manner. :)

as this is CLEARLY not the case [MENTION=677]RonPaulForum[/MENTION]s.com.
Ron Paul himself. is and was a hard core ANARCHIST.

and I am OK with that. HARD CORE anarchists are only separated by degrees, from minarchists after all.
but this does make Ron Paul himself a liar.
He is no "Champion" of the "Constitution"
like most politicians.... it was just a tool for him to use to try and gain power. :)

I get it. ;)
 
Sonny Tufts said:
The point is that it's incorrect to say that the founders were anarchists, given that they were in favor of maintaining strong governments at the State level. Perhaps you forgot the following part of the Declaration of Independence:
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I humbly bow to your keen powers of observation sir.
even the Declaration of independence is critically flawed. :mad:

our founders were statists! statists I tell you!
critically flawed and irredeemable. :D
 
to find some value to remain here... perhaps what I can still learn from this group...

what is a proper "state of anarchy" or, is it not possible for a proper state of anarchy to exist...
because anarchy cannot be a "state" :confused:

everyone geared up for the Antifa rallies tomorrow?
it is gonna be a great day for Anarchy fellas! this is your chance to teach those statists a lesson that they will remember!
Ye HA!
 
HVACTech said:
my point has now officially been made. [MENTION=677]RonPaulForum[/MENTION]s.com.

it is simply NOT possible to talk about our founders or our founding documents... PERIOD!!!!

even if you compare them to Anarchists! LOL!

I submit for candid review. that if Ron Paul himself were truly the "Champion of the Constitution"
it would be possible to discuss matters pertaining to the Constitution in a civil manner. :)

as this is CLEARLY not the case [MENTION=677]RonPaulForum[/MENTION]s.com.
Ron Paul himself. is and was a hard core ANARCHIST.

and I am OK with that. HARD CORE anarchists are only separated by degrees, from minarchists after all.
but this does make Ron Paul himself a liar.
He is no "Champion" of the "Constitution"
like most politicians.... it was just a tool for him to use to try and gain power. :)

I get it. ;)
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Ron Paul is a lot better than any of the founders for many obvious reasons. But , yeah , I could live with the constitution , but it will not be followed .
 
HVACTech said:
to find some value to remain here... perhaps what I can still learn from this group...

what is a proper "state of anarchy" or, is it not possible for a proper state of anarchy to exist...
because anarchy cannot be a "state" :confused:

everyone geared up for the Antifa rallies tomorrow?
it is gonna be a great day for Anarchy fellas! this is your chance to teach those statists a lesson that they will remember!
Ye HA!
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There will be no ANTIFA rallies here on my properties .
 
oyarde said:
There will be no ANTIFA rallies here on my properties .
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they are. hard core anarchists you know that right? why would you not join with them... :confused:
oh, wait. i GET IT... if HARD core anarchists join together... they become a state?
 
HVACTech said:
my point has now officially been made. [MENTION=677]RonPaulForum[/MENTION]s.com. it is simply NOT possible to talk about our founders or our founding documents... PERIOD!!!! even if you compare them to Anarchists! LOL! I submit for candid review. that if Ron Paul himself were truly the "Champion of the Constitution" it would be possible to discuss matters pertaining to the Constitution in a civil manner. :) as this is CLEARLY not the case [MENTION=677]RonPaulForum[/MENTION]s.com. Ron Paul himself. is and was a hard core ANARCHIST. and I am OK with that. HARD CORE anarchists are only separated by degrees, from minarchists after all. but this does make Ron Paul himself a liar. He is no "Champion" of the "Constitution" like most politicians.... it was just a tool for him to use to try and gain power. :) I get it. ;)
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The anarchists are vocal but they are not the majority even here.
 
HVACTech said:
they are. hard core anarchists you know that right? why would you not join with them... :confused:
oh, wait. i GET IT... if HARD core anarchists join together... they become a state?
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No , I do not know what they are as I know none . None is also how many will be invited here .
 
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