Our Constitution a Huge Mistake?

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I recently read the first four pages of an article on mises.org I think is seriously worth discussing.
On the Impossibility of Limited Government and the Prospects for a Second American Revolution


This article is LONG, but I post the important section.

The American Constitution

But what was the next step once independence from Britain had been won? This question leads to the third source of national pride — the American Constitution — and the explanation as to why this Constitution, rather than being a legitimate source of pride, represents a fateful error.

Thanks to the great advances in economic and political theory since the late 1700s, in particular at the hands of Ludwig von Mises and Murray N. Rothbard, we are now able to give a precise answer to this question. According to Mises and Rothbard, once there is no longer free entry into the business of the production of protection and adjudication, the price of protection and justice will rise and their quality will fall. Rather than being a protector and judge, a compulsory monopolist will become a protection racketeer — the destroyer and invader of the people and property that he is supposed to protect, a warmonger, and an imperialist.[6]

Indeed, the inflated price of protection and the perversion of the ancient law by the English king, both of which had led the American colonists to revolt, were the inevitable result of compulsory monopoly. Having successfully seceded and thrown out the British occupiers, it would only have been necessary for the American colonists to let the existing homegrown institutions of self-defense and private (voluntary and cooperative) protection and adjudication by specialized agents and agencies take care of law and order.

This did not happen, however. The Americans not only did not let the inherited royal institutions of colonies and colonial governments wither away into oblivion; they reconstituted them within the old political borders in the form of independent states, each equipped with its own coercive (unilateral) taxing and legislative powers.[7] While this would have been bad enough, the new Americans made matters worse by adopting the American Constitution and replacing a loose confederation of independent states with the central (federal) government of the United States.

This Constitution provided for the substitution of a popularly elected parliament and president for an unelected king, but it changed nothing regarding their power to tax and legislate. To the contrary, while the English king's power to tax without consent had only been assumed rather than explicitly granted and was thus in dispute,[8] the Constitution explicitly granted this very power to Congress. Furthermore, while kings — in theory, even absolute kings — had not been considered the makers but only the interpreters and executors of preexisting and immutable law, i.e., as judges rather than legislators,[9] the Constitution explicitly vested Congress with the power of legislating, and the president and the Supreme Court with the powers of executing and interpreting such legislated law.[10]

In effect, what the American Constitution did was only this: Instead of a king who regarded colonial America as his private property and the colonists as his tenants, the Constitution put temporary and interchangeable caretakers in charge of the country's monopoly of justice and protection.

These caretakers did not own the country, but as long as they were in office, they could make use of it and its residents to their own and their protégés' advantage. However, as elementary economic theory predicts, this institutional setup will not eliminate the self-interest-driven tendency of a monopolist of law and order toward increased exploitation. To the contrary, it only tends to make his exploitation less calculating, more shortsighted, and wasteful. As Rothbard explained,

while a private owner, secure in his property and owning its capital value, plans the use of his resource over a long period of time, the government official must milk the property as quickly as he can, since he has no security of ownership. … [G]overnment officials own the use of resources but not their capital value (except in the case of the "private property" of a hereditary monarch). When only the current use can be owned, but not the resource itself, there will quickly ensue uneconomic exhaustion of the resources, since it will be to no one's benefit to conserve it over a period of time and to every owner's advantage to use it up as quickly as possible. … The private individual, secure in his property and in his capital resource, can take the long view, for he wants to maintain the capital value of his resource. It is the government official who must take and run, who must plunder the property while he is still in command.[11]

Moreover, because the Constitution provided explicitly for "open entry" into state government — anyone could become a member of Congress, president, or a Supreme Court judge — resistance against state property invasions declined; and as the result of "open political competition" the entire character structure of society became distorted, and more and more bad characters rose to the top.[12]

Free entry and competition is not always good. Competition in the production of goods is good, but competition in the production of bads is not. Free competition in killing, stealing, counterfeiting, or swindling, for instance, is not good; it is worse than bad. Yet this is precisely what is instituted by open political competition, i.e., democracy.
"The Americans not only did not let the inherited royal institutions of colonies and colonial governments wither away into oblivion; they reconstituted them within the old political borders in the form of independent states, each equipped with its own coercive (unilateral) taxing and legislative powers."

In every society, people who covet another man's property exist, but in most cases people learn not to act on this desire or even feel ashamed for entertaining it.[13] In an anarchocapitalist society in particular, anyone acting on such a desire is considered a criminal and is suppressed by physical violence. Under monarchical rule, by contrast, only one person — the king — can act on his desire for another man's property, and it is this that makes him a potential threat. However, because only he can expropriate while everyone else is forbidden to do likewise, a king's every action will be regarded with utmost suspicion.[14] Moreover, the selection of a king is by accident of his noble birth. His only characteristic qualification is his upbringing as a future king and preserver of the dynasty and its possessions. This does not assure that he will not be evil, of course; at the same time, however, it does not preclude that a king might actually be a harmless dilettante or even a decent person.

In distinct contrast, by freeing up entry into government, the Constitution permitted anyone to openly express his desire for other men's property; indeed, owing to the constitutional guarantee of "freedom of speech," everyone is protected in so doing. Moreover, everyone is permitted to act on this desire, provided that he gains entry into government; hence, under the Constitution, everyone becomes a potential threat.

To be sure, there are people who are unafflicted by the desire to enrich themselves at the expense of others and to lord it over them; that is, there are people who wish only to work, produce, and enjoy the fruits of their labor. However, if politics — the acquisition of goods by political means (taxation and legislation) — is permitted, even these harmless people will be profoundly affected.

In order to defend themselves against attacks on their liberty and property by those who have fewer moral scruples, even these honest, hardworking people must become "political animals" and spend more and more time and energy developing their political skills. Given that the characteristics and talents required for political success — good looks, sociability, oratorical power, charisma, etc. — are distributed unequally among men, then those with these particular characteristics and skills will have a sound advantage in the competition for scarce resources (economic success) as compared with those without them.

Worse still, given that, in every society, more "have-nots" of everything worth having exist than "haves," the politically talented who have little or no inhibition against taking property and lording it over others will have a clear advantage over those with such scruples. That is, open political competition favors aggressive, hence dangerous, rather than defensive, hence harmless, political talents and will thus lead to the cultivation and perfection of the peculiar skills of demagoguery, deception, lying, opportunism, corruption, and bribery. Therefore, entrance into and success within government will become increasingly impossible for anyone hampered by moral scruples against lying and stealing.
"Instead of a king who regarded colonial America as his private property and the colonists as his tenants, the Constitution put temporary and interchangeable caretakers in charge of the country's monopoly of justice and protection."

Unlike kings then, congressmen, presidents, and Supreme Court judges do not and cannot acquire their positions accidentally. Rather, they reach their position because of their proficiency as morally uninhibited demagogues. Moreover, even outside the orbit of government, within civil society, individuals will increasingly rise to the top of economic and financial success, not on account of their productive or entrepreneurial talents or even their superior defensive political talents, but rather because of their superior skills as unscrupulous political entrepreneurs and lobbyists. Thus, the Constitution virtually assures that exclusively dangerous men will rise to the pinnacle of government power and that moral behavior and ethical standards will tend to decline and deteriorate over all.

Moreover, the constitutionally provided "separation of powers" makes no difference in this regard. Two or even three wrongs do not make a right. To the contrary, they lead to the proliferation, accumulation, reinforcement, and aggravation of error. Legislators cannot impose their will on their hapless subjects without the cooperation of the president as the head of the executive branch of government, and the president in turn will use his position and the resources at his disposal to influence legislators and legislation. And although the Supreme Court may disagree with particular acts of Congress or the president, Supreme Court judges are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate and remain dependent on them for funding. As an integral part of the institution of government, they have no interest in limiting but every interest in expanding the government's, and hence their own, power.[15]
 
I need to finish the other 10 pages of this article, but from what I have read so far, I want to know what the founders of this country SHOULD have done.
 
Wow, great preamble or declaration of the problem of coercive government. (might add detail of the fiat money manipulation / hidden tax trick that’s used to reward their friends and punish their enemies.)

We need sound solutions or a new approach... before our entire system implodes all on its own, just because it exists.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with a result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence:
>From bondage to spiritual faith;
>>From spiritual faith to great courage;
>>>From courage to liberty;
>>>>From liberty to abundance;
>>>>>From abundance to selfishness;
>>>>>>From selfishness to complacency;
>>>>>>>From complacency to apathy;
>>>>>>>>From apathy to dependency;
>>>>>>>>>From dependency back into bondage.
 
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Shot the original Federalist " 'secret' coup co-conspirators" as traitors to the American Revolution, would have been one option.<IMHO>
 
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The only problem with the Constitution is just that we don't follow it, and we let those who violate it continue to do so.
 
The Supreme Court was not created to interpret the Constitutionality of law.

I need to finish the other 10 pages of this article, but from what I have read so far, I want to know what the founders of this country SHOULD have done.

See how complex things can get by our not accepting that the founding fathers were Christian?
 
I recently read the first four pages of an article on mises.org:

"In every society, people who covet another man's property exist, but in most cases people learn not to act on this desire or even feel ashamed for entertaining it. In an anarchocapitalist society in particular, anyone acting on such a desire is considered a criminal and is suppressed by physical violence."

This is very interesting...so "greed" does not exist in an Anarchocapitalist society?

I find it interesting that whenever someone attempts to "call out" greed and corruption in our current society, that it is always the Rothbardians who come out saying that the "crooks" (for example, Enron) are completely innocent (oh yeah, it's all the government's fault too). Seems to be a contradiction.

Either theft, fraud and corruption are immoral/criminal, or they aren't. All societies need to make those distinctions, it doesn't matter what the political system is called.
 
This is very interesting...so "greed" does not exist in an Anarchocapitalist society?

Hello, McFly?! He never claimed "greed" would not exist in a market anarchist society. Did you even read the passage you quoted? Here is the passage once more:

"In every society, people who covet another man's property exist, but in most cases people learn not to act on this desire or even feel ashamed for entertaining it. In an anarchocapitalist society in particular, anyone acting on such a desire is considered a criminal and is suppressed by physical violence."

He clearly states that in both our current and in market anarchist society that greed and jealousy would still exist. The difference is in our current society the very few, the elites (corporatists, mercantilists, and politicians) use the State to "obtain" property from others with perceived legitimacy through taxation and eminent domain; in a free market society this legitimacy would no longer exist and if anyone tried this they would be deemed criminals and/ or face armed resistance and arbitration.

I find it interesting that whenever someone attempts to "call out" greed and corruption in our current society, that it is always the Rothbardians who come out saying that the "crooks" (for example, Enron) are completely innocent (oh yeah, it's all the government's fault too). Seems to be a contradiction.

I will admit there are many market anarchist who defend our current economic conditions, businesses and their practices as market phenomenons even though we do not currently live in a free market (see: vulgar libertarianism).
 
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I'm getting a bit tired of reading about anarcho-capitalists idealistic fantasies. Just like the communist fantasies could not work, neither can the anarcho-capitalist ones. They simply do not take human nature into account.

I'll spell it out again, no laws are respected without an authority. There are no rights without someone with the power to physically enforce them. Anyone with power to enforce laws, has the power to also create laws. Anyone with the power to enforce law, needs a monopoly on violence to be able to do so. Competition in the area of violence is civil war.

Eventually the meanest bully, or just the bully with the largest posse, will have competed their competitors off the market (aka killed them), or split the market between them (split the land into smaller countries). Their will, whatever it may be, will be the law of the land. The laws will be respected out of fear. However once there is a monopoly on violence, there is laws, police and peace. When there is peace people can trade, when people trade they grow wealthy, when people are wealthy they can bribe the authority to get more freedoms and eventually change the system to be less oppressive. The authority (with its monopoly on violence) will grow less oppressive, as it does not want to bite the hand that feeds it. It does not take all the wealth of the people, because that would be bleeding them dead. It just makes lots of small cuts, to keep them good and healthy cash cows.

Imagine what would happen there was lots of competing law systems out there, and different police forces running around enforcing conflicting laws, for its customers. What would happen if a customer of one group killed a customer of another group, it might be considered a crime according to one law system but not the other. Even if it would have been considered a crime in both groups, the fact is that the killer and the victim belonged to different protections groups. And the killers protection group would have no reason to punish him as he had not killed one of their own customers.

Anarcho-capitalism would lead into civil war.. just as surely as communism leads into authoritarianism.

Cheers
 
First we have to get back to obeying the Constitution, before we can determine whether it is working or not.

If it isn't working, we can amend it; ignoring it will not fix our problems.
 
If we have to get back to it. It's not working. :rolleyes:

:D

But, that is not the fault of the document, itself.

It is just a piece of paper, unfortunately. It can't sprout a knee and arms, bend politicians over that knee, and spank them on the bum when they don't listen.

That duty is reserved to the people.
 
But, that is not the fault of the document, itself.

It is just a piece of paper, unfortunately. It can't sprout a knee and arms, bend politicians over that knee, and spank them on the bum when they don't listen.

That duty is reserved to the people.

Do documents even have faults? ;)
 
The Illegality, Immorality, and Violence of All Political Action
http://users.aol.com/xeqtr1/voluntaryist/vopa.html

Very good link.

I think its a way of arguing that the power of violence always trumps the power of any contract. It's a bit naive to think that we can control the govt by contract, or that we could control anyone else by contract that is providing us protection from violence services (like the free market anarchist utopia). Anyone that provides us protection from violence services, must have the power to do so. And anyone with enough power to do so will do as it pleases, no contract (or god) will stop it.

Cheers
 
Very good link.

I think its a way of arguing that the power of violence always trumps the power of any contract. It's a bit naive to think that we can control the govt by contract, or that we could control anyone else by contract that is providing us protection from violence services (like the free market anarchist utopia). Anyone that provides us protection from violence services, must have the power to do so. And anyone with enough power to do so will do as it pleases, no contract (or god) will stop it.

Cheers
Luckily the really violent ones are only a very minuscule and microscopic percentage of the overall world's total human populations.

That's why their antics tend to be, and make the news. ;)

Cheers!
 
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