Oregon Gov. Wants to Track Drivers' Mileage by Satellite

Well you're completely wrong on this account...both Washington State and California have higher Gas prices at the pump and are SELF SERVE!!! (legalizing self serve just makes it more likely that the owners can capture the minimum wage salaries as additional profit with no bearing on the prices).

I am against laws that don't allow self service but I must say that the argument that self-serve is going to end up making the fuel cheaper is about as DUMB as they come.

There are other factors that affect price too -- government required additives and varying local standards for example. And, why wouldn't you be able to offer lower prices if you don't need to hire attendants? It seems logical to me.
 
I think I have a better idea: let's track all the politicians, only, wherever they go, and
send them a little shock through their tracking devices whenever they vote the wrong way, like for these stupid notions!

lynn

Absolutely, they're public servants after all. I know it might invade their private life a little, but after all, we must work to prevent corruption. Think of the children!! Plus, if they're not doing anything wrong, why should they mind?

Ankle bracelets for all politicians!!
 
You know, not that I'd agree with this, but if they want more taxes, why not just raise the gas tax more? I mean, more disincentive to buy SUVs, right? They should be all for it.

I mean, I don't think their explicit goal is to actually become big brother, but jeez, if it were, I'm not sure what they'd do differently ...

Well, the only other reason I can see is the hybrid/electric argument. These vehicles are becoming common enough to put some wear on highways but don't use enough fossil fuel to cover their share of road maintenance. Fair is fair and given the price of the Prius the argument could be made that to ignore this is to give yet another tax break to the rich. That said, how much does it cost to put a spy in the sky? Is this folly not bound to cost more than it produces in revenue?

I think that either their explicit goal is to actually become big brother or they're stupid.
 
The next natural extension of this will be automated speeding tickets in the mail. GPS evidence does not lie, no need for a court or judge. What a revenue booster!

We already have those.

I like the satellite surveillance. We can couple it with laser strikes. Didn't pay that last speeding ticket??? ZAP! Ultimate Taser!!
 
We already have those.

I like the satellite surveillance. We can couple it with laser strikes. Didn't pay that last speeding ticket??? ZAP! Ultimate Taser!!

I love free speech and all, but damn it I wish we'd stop giving those #@*%ers ideas.

We should have gone ahead and developed small HARM missiles back in the early eighties when motion radar got popular. We gave tptb an inch and, sure enough, now they want the whole damned mile.

Government is like a two year old. It spends all its time checking to see just exactly what it can and can't get away with.
 
You know, not that I'd agree with this, but if they want more taxes, why not just raise the gas tax more? I mean, more disincentive to buy SUVs, right? They should be all for it.

I mean, I don't think their explicit goal is to actually become big brother, but jeez, if it were, I'm not sure what they'd do differently ...

In Oregon, all new "tax increases" have to be voted on by the people, calling it a "Fee" is a way of bypassing it. No one would go for a higher gas tax, so make up a mileage "fee" and you can bypass those pesky voters. Of course it doesn't matter because Portland and Eugene decide everything for this state and both those cities are chalk full of Stupid people willing to give the Government anything they ask for.

Oregon is screwed, it has a number of different balance sheets, all of them in the red.

It tried to "pave the way" for free health care, it's bankrupt, the state has to borrow a ton of money to keep it going.

They don't give a crap about Private property. In fact they have this quasi governing body called METRO. Which is like a council of "experts" that plan and oversee the development of every community in the State. Essentially, if a city wishes to expand it's city limits, it would have to go through them first. News roads? New Buildings? You wanna put up a garage on your property? It all goes through METRO. My Mothers neighbor has an Acre of land in NE Portland, one of those few surviving neighborhoods from the 50's, when yards where important ya know. He wanted to put up a garage, a single car garage, attached to the side of his house. METRO would not allow it, because in 20 years there will be a road on that spot leading to and area which is now his backyard, which will be low income housing. He owns the property outright, it belongs to him, and yet.....he can't build a garage.

They've completely killed the only industry Oregon had, timber. Its gone, forever. Mills are expensive as hell to build and when they shut down, they rust, they corrode, those machines don't just "fire back up". Thousands of rural workers out of a job because of these idiots in Portland. Radical Environmentalists, The kind that hammer metal spikes into a tree so that when a faller goes in, his chainsaw breaks on the spike and cuts him in half. They forced out Private ownership citing the endangered "spotted owl", among other things. Once the forest couldn't no longer be maintained by Private industry any longer, the government took it over, didn't thin it out, the woods caught on fire, and killed the Stupid Spotted owl anyway.

If you are a rancher, they don't want you to shoot a wolf attacking your cattle, they will in fact fine you if you do. Just make a call to "animal control" (ROFL) And they will come out and capture the beast. So while your cattle are being shredded to ribbons by a rabid wolf, don't do anything, wait over an hour for animal control to show up capture it and release it a few miles down the road where it will promptly return to your property to finish killing the rest of your herd.

They've killed the fishing industry, they are actually paying fishermen to NOT FISH. And yet at the same time, they allow sea lions to hang out in reservoirs across the state, and eat endangered salmon to their hearts content.

This state is broke, and morally bankrupt, which is why I'm moving to Montana. Any good areas in NW Montana any one knows about?
 
I have been playing around with this in my head all afternoon.

Privacy issues and our inherent fear of unfettered government acknowledged.....isn't a system that would charge drivers based on how much they drive a step towards a libertarian solution? Certainly we'd rather have a private firm renting us their roads, but actually using mileage as a means of determining fees is essentially a user-pay system, something that appeals to the libertarian-leaning Republican side of me.
 
There are other factors that affect price too -- government required additives and varying local standards for example. And, why wouldn't you be able to offer lower prices if you don't need to hire attendants? It seems logical to me.


Do you really believe that having the additional expense of a minimum wage salary or two removed from the operating expenses is going to reduce the fuel by more than a penny a gallon???

come on..... I spend time in California and Washington every year and their fuel prices are MORE expensive than in Oregon even though the stations only have a guy that speaks english as a second language behind a glass wall to take your money and turn on the pump.
 
In Oregon, all new "tax increases" have to be voted on by the people, calling it a "Fee" is a way of bypassing it. No one would go for a higher gas tax, so make up a mileage "fee" and you can bypass those pesky voters. Of course it doesn't matter because Portland and Eugene decide everything for this state and both those cities are chalk full of Stupid people willing to give the Government anything they ask for.

Oregon is screwed, it has a number of different balance sheets, all of them in the red.

It tried to "pave the way" for free health care, it's bankrupt, the state has to borrow a ton of money to keep it going.

They don't give a crap about Private property. In fact they have this quasi governing body called METRO. Which is like a council of "experts" that plan and oversee the development of every community in the State. Essentially, if a city wishes to expand it's city limits, it would have to go through them first. News roads? New Buildings? You wanna put up a garage on your property? It all goes through METRO. My Mothers neighbor has an Acre of land in NE Portland, one of those few surviving neighborhoods from the 50's, when yards where important ya know. He wanted to put up a garage, a single car garage, attached to the side of his house. METRO would not allow it, because in 20 years there will be a road on that spot leading to and area which is now his backyard, which will be low income housing. He owns the property outright, it belongs to him, and yet.....he can't build a garage.

They've completely killed the only industry Oregon had, timber. Its gone, forever. Mills are expensive as hell to build and when they shut down, they rust, they corrode, those machines don't just "fire back up". Thousands of rural workers out of a job because of these idiots in Portland. Radical Environmentalists, The kind that hammer metal spikes into a tree so that when a faller goes in, his chainsaw breaks on the spike and cuts him in half. They forced out Private ownership citing the endangered "spotted owl", among other things. Once the forest couldn't no longer be maintained by Private industry any longer, the government took it over, didn't thin it out, the woods caught on fire, and killed the Stupid Spotted owl anyway.

If you are a rancher, they don't want you to shoot a wolf attacking your cattle, they will in fact fine you if you do. Just make a call to "animal control" (ROFL) And they will come out and capture the beast. So while your cattle are being shredded to ribbons by a rabid wolf, don't do anything, wait over an hour for animal control to show up capture it and release it a few miles down the road where it will promptly return to your property to finish killing the rest of your herd.

They've killed the fishing industry, they are actually paying fishermen to NOT FISH. And yet at the same time, they allow sea lions to hang out in reservoirs across the state, and eat endangered salmon to their hearts content.

This state is broke, and morally bankrupt, which is why I'm moving to Montana. Any good areas in NW Montana any one knows about?

They are "screwed" due to the deals they made for their public Employee retirement and with the market collapse the HUGE chasm to actually be able to pay out what they promised.

Oregon definetly is a good example of what Liberals can do with their power as they push pencils in cubicle's in the city to try to modify the "social" behaviors of the hicks that occupy the majority of the counties. The ranchers won't worry too much about shootin wolves either BTW.
 
I have been playing around with this in my head all afternoon.

Privacy issues and our inherent fear of unfettered government acknowledged.....isn't a system that would charge drivers based on how much they drive a step towards a libertarian solution? Certainly we'd rather have a private firm renting us their roads, but actually using mileage as a means of determining fees is essentially a user-pay system, something that appeals to the libertarian-leaning Republican side of me.

Fair enough, let's step back and moment and look at this.

How about first consulting the state constitution to determine what powers of taxation were granted to the state government. Typically some form of property taxes are granted to counties and the state is limited to excise taxes. Taxes on things and/or privileges. Some states also piggy back on the federal income tax.

A milage tax amounts to a tax on travel. :eek: Our right to travel is inalienable. This whole scheme is a horrible idea on many fronts.
 
I have been playing around with this in my head all afternoon.

Privacy issues and our inherent fear of unfettered government acknowledged.....isn't a system that would charge drivers based on how much they drive a step towards a libertarian solution? Certainly we'd rather have a private firm renting us their roads, but actually using mileage as a means of determining fees is essentially a user-pay system, something that appeals to the libertarian-leaning Republican side of me.

The government doesn't have the authority to track you or your vehicle's movements.

We have a right to privacy, so that's not a libertarian solution.

I like what someone suggested earlier, about having people pay for road wear and tear.
 
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