Optimum Human Population Size

[fisharmor]

LOL, RT you got me too, at first...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Ehrlich

Paul Ehrlich has been hucking the overpopulation snake oil for 50 years.

Also, look at the dates in the article in the OP... it was written 22 years ago.

 

[asurfaholic]

It is my deep underlying belief that when God created this earth he made a way for abundance for everyone. Unfortunately through sin and greed and kings and idols there is a systematic destruction of natural rights and with that the ability for most people to live in abundance is now impossible. But there is plenty of earth for plenty more people, but the current system of cartel run govt and world banks will see to it that the abundance goes into their own coffers and the rest of us will either be well fed enough so we don't revolt, or in some countries left out to dry.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Ronin is on his Malthus trip.

 

[Todd]

No I'm not "okie dokie" with the woman demanding "someone" pay for her 15 kids, but using the force of government to render one infertile is ok with you? Her kids are her responsibility. We do have a social welfare program in this country that is more of a spider web rather than a safety net, but she should have enough to provide basic sustenance.

And yet she doesn't have enough sustenance because she keeps on and on. BTW: She just had another kid. Her 16th.



I have no problem with the Government making it a condition of her recieving legally stolen money from others that she not reproduce while living on the dole. No force needed. No NORPLANT...No MONEY. We live in a friggin' welfare state in which I have no say so how my money is used.

In a FREE society, I don't have to give my money to someone who is reckless and irresponsible.

In a FREE society if this woman approache me and wanted me to help subsidize her kids out of the goodness of my heart, then she would only get my money on the condition she shoots up with NORPLANT before each payment. If not....then go to someone else.

It's kind of like Gay marriage to me. Christians gave the ability to define marriage to the state a long time ago. Therefore the State gets to define it how they want. You make a deal with the Devil...he defines the terms.

 

[Ronin Truth]

That is absolutely disgusting. I'm sure Hitler thought he could solve a lot of problems by "culling" the people he thought were causing the most trouble. Not to mention, no matter how many troublemakers you get rid of, there will be ten times that many ready to take their place.

The Hitlers are surely going in the first round along with all of the other violent sociopaths and psychopaths. The world should thereby improve instantly. Then you just keep on repeating the cycle until sanity is finally established. No prob!

 

[Ronin Truth]

Ronin is on his Malthus trip.

Thought experiments have their place, as potential possibility options.

 

[Ronin Truth]

LOL, RT you got me too, at first...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Ehrlich

Paul Ehrlich has been hucking the overpopulation snake oil for 50 years.

Also, look at the dates in the article in the OP... it was written 22 years ago.

So therefore?

I'm no Ehrlich fan, mostly because of his proposed solutions, but that doesn't necessarily invalidate his problem analysis.

We've got many more folks now? World is better off or worse?

 

[Ronin Truth]

Again, I ask, why do you think there need to be less people? What makes you think it would be any better than it is now?

Because the world just keeps on throwing away millions every year. And not necessarily the right ones. How many abortions each year worldwide?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The Hitlers are surely going in the first round along with all of the other violent sociopaths and psychopaths. The world should thereby improve instantly. Then you just keep on repeating the cycle until sanity is finally established. No prob!

How do you decide who's a Hitler and who's not? If you kill millions of people, no matter what your intentions, I think that qualifies you as a Hitler, even if you think you're doing it for "the greater good." Like I said, Hitler thought he was doing a lot of good, too without even realizing he was "a Hitler". He just thought he knew what was best for the world, kinda like you.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Because the world just keeps on throwing away millions every year. And not necessarily the right ones. How many abortions each year worldwide?

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[Ronin Truth]

That doesn't answer the question.

A major decrease in numbers of the world's main destructive problem creators and troublemakers.

 

[Zippyjuan]

LOL, RT you got me too, at first...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Ehrlich

Paul Ehrlich has been hucking the overpopulation snake oil for 50 years.

Also, look at the dates in the article in the OP... it was written 22 years ago.

From the article:

At the upper end, the present population of 5.5 billion, with its resource consumption patterns and technologies, has clearly exceeded the capacity of Earth to sustain it.

Since then, the population has grown to 7 billion- an increase of about 25%. The end must be near.

 

[Ronin Truth]

How do you decide who's a Hitler and who's not? If you kill millions of people, no matter what your intentions, I think that qualifies you as a Hitler, even if you think you're doing it for "the greater good." Like I said, Hitler thought he was doing a lot of good, too without even realizing he was "a Hitler". He just thought he knew what was best for the world, kinda like you.

Rank the world population 1 to N, through global plebiscites. The bottom 20% goes bye-bye, each round.

Or some better set of solutions that may be thought up.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

A major decrease in numbers of the world's main destructive problem creators and troublemakers.

The problem is that deciding who's a troublemaker is a judgment call, and depending on whose judgment you use, you would come up with completely different segments of the population that need to be eliminated. So whose judgment do we use? Yours?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Rank the world population 1 to N, through global plebiscites. The bottom 20% goes bye-bye, each round.

Or some better set of solutions that may be thought up.

So who's going to enforce this plebeian judgment? Not to mention the difficulties of carrying out the "election" that's supposed to decide who is and who isn't in the bottom 20%.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Since then, the population has grown to 7 billion- an increase of about 25%.

So why are you and other progressives like you always talking about population explosions?

 

[Ronin Truth]

So who's going to enforce this plebeian judgment? Not to mention the difficulties of carrying out the "election" that's supposed to decide who is and who isn't in the bottom 20%.

Beats the crap out of me. I'm just the idea guy, strategist.

The gory details get handled by those who are the better tacticians. The concept of "useless eaters" does have some merit.

The web would seem to be a plausible workable election venue.

I really don't need to be the one to come up with all of the fine detailed answers to everything.

 

[Ronin Truth]

From the article:



Since then, the population has grown to 7 billion- an increase of about 25%. The end must be near.

Closer to optimum or farther away?

With an overall per capita decrease in the quality of life by everyone on an average by what estimated percentage? Just SWAG it.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Beats the crap out of me. I'm just the idea guy, strategist.

The gory details get handled by those who are the better tacticians. The concept of "useless eaters" does have some merit.

The web would seem to be a plausible workable election venue.

I really don't need to be the one to come up with all of the fine detailed answers to everything.

I seem to recall you being a fan of Jesus. He didn't agree with the "useless eaters" concept at all. (Luke 22:26, Matthew 23:11, and many others) Do you pick and choose from what Jesus said as moral, ethical, etc truths?

 

[Ronin Truth]

I seem to recall you being a fan of Jesus. He didn't agree with the "useless eaters" concept at all. (Luke 22:26, Matthew 23:11, and many others) Do you pick and choose from what Jesus said as moral, ethical, etc truths?

As a Jesus fan, I have a lot more latitude in behavior than a follower or worshiper does. What was the world human population in 30 A.D.?