Opium Production Hits Record High In Afghanistan

[pcosmar]

Do you think having 1 of every 30 citizens hooked on smack is a good thing? That's the present situation in Afghanistan.
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BULLSHIT

That is the fear mongering headline.
Afghanistan produced opium,, long before Russia invaded. Long ago we used to get some good Hashish from there that was lightly flavored with opium.
Haven't seen that in decades. and though I'm sure there are opium users there,, I doubt many use heroin. It is generally processed from opium for other world markets. And likely done in Europe.

The Taliban nearly wiped out production. Our Troops have been protecting the Poppy Fields.

 

[phill4paul]

69360 is having a Frank Rep moment.

Yup.

 

[69360]

This is where personal responsibility comes in...

As it sits government is accepting responsibility and we all know about the fine job government does with everything it gets involved in...

Will it? I think it would be more like natural selection, not personal responsibility. Legal heroin would equal a lot of dead people around here anyway.

I don't have a good answer for this problem.

 

[tod evans]

Will it? I think it would be more like natural selection, not personal responsibility. Legal heroin would equal a lot of dead people around here anyway.

I don't have a good answer for this problem.

It's entirely possible that legal opium would reduce the heroin problem....

 

[dannno]

Will it? I think it would be more like natural selection, not personal responsibility. Legal heroin would equal a lot of dead people around here anyway.

I don't have a good answer for this problem.

Have you really read all of our responses and that is the best you can come up with?? I don't understand why all of this logic isn't changing your viewpoint, can you please respond to some previous posts so that we can figure out where the hold-up is?

The issue is OPIATE addiction. Heroin is an extremely addictive opiate because it destroys your red blood cells and if you do it for a long time when you come down it feels like you have the flu. The only way to get rid of your flu symptoms is to shoot up more heroin. That doesn't happen with other opiates, although other opiates can be very addictive.

So why is heroin made? You probably think they make heroin because that is what opiate addicts prefer. NOT TRUE. Now LISTEN! What you don't understand, and what we have been trying to explain to you is that the reason heroin is produced by the black market is because it is more compact and more can be smuggled at higher profit margins...IT IS A BUSINESS DECISION.. Heroin addicts buy heroin because that is the opiate available on the streets, if they had a choice they would choose another opiate that didn't make them feel like shit after they binged on it, don't you think?? In a free market, other opiates would be available and you would have LESS heroin addicts because there would be very little reason to produce heroin in the first place.

Now, if you have a problem with opiate addiction in general and think this will make it a much bigger problem, then you clearly haven't been reading the other posts in this thread about how many opiate addicts ALREADY exist in this country who are using legal opiate prescription drugs..

The answer is to LEGALIZE, especially the safest alternatives, which in this case is pure opium.

 

[tod evans]

But, but they said on the newz that heroin is going to kill the children........

 

[anaconda]

How much are military personnel skimming off the Afghan crop to deal? And what fat percentage does the CIA scrape off the top for it's black budget? Foreign intervention is a racket.

 

[pcosmar]

Will it? I think it would be more like natural selection, not personal responsibility. Legal heroin would equal a lot of dead people around here anyway.

I don't have a good answer for this problem.

Legalize it..

It was not a big problem when it was legal. Over the counter at the local Drugstore.

From the makers of Bayer Aspirin.

And pay the farmers a fair market value,, rather than the smugglers and gangs.

 

[phill4paul]

Will it? I think it would be more like natural selection, not personal responsibility. Legal heroin would equal a lot of dead people around here anyway.

I don't have a good answer for this problem.

You don't have any answers for any problems. You leave it up to the government.

 

[acptulsa]

Will it? I think it would be more like natural selection, not personal responsibility. Legal heroin would equal a lot of dead people around here anyway.

I don't have a good answer for this problem.

It's entirely possible that legal opium would reduce the heroin problem....

It might.

Failing that, another good answer would be to not invade Afghanistan to enable the CIA can kick the Taliban out and ramp production back up again.

Just a thought. Obviously, either way the government is willing only to make the problem worse.

 

[tod evans]

Legalize it..

It was not a big problem when it was legal. Over the counter at the local Drugstore.

From the makers of Bayer Aspirin.

And pay the farmers a fair market value,, rather than the smugglers and gangs.

But Pete,

Think of the children....

The children of the kops, the prosecutors, the judges, the jailers, the court ordered treatment center employees......

Without the drug war unemployment would be tripled!

 

[Origanalist]

At least legalize opium, if somebody just has to turn it into heroin at least it's not something the cartels can profit from.

Tracing the U.S. heroin surge back south of the border as Mexican cannabis output falls

By Nick Miroff, Published: April 6 E-mail the writer
TEPACA DE BADIRAGUATO, MEXICO — The surge of cheap heroin spreading in $4 hits across rural America can be traced back to the remote valleys of the northern Sierra Madre.

With the wholesale price of marijuana falling — driven in part by decriminalization in sections of the United States — Mexican drug farmers are turning away from cannabis and filling their fields with opium poppies.

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Mexican heroin is flooding north as U.S. authorities trying to contain an epidemic of prescription painkiller abuse have tightened controls on synthetic opiates such as hydrocodone and OxyContin. As the pills become more costly and difficult to obtain, Mexican trafficking organizations have found new markets for heroin in places such as Winchester, Va., and Brattleboro, Vt., where, until recently, needle use for narcotics was rare or unknown.

Farmers in the storied “Golden Triangle” region of Mexico’s Sinaloa state, which has produced the country’s most notorious gangsters and biggest marijuana harvests, say they are no longer planting the crop. Its wholesale price has collapsed in the past five years, from $100 per kilogram to less than $25.

“It’s not worth it anymore,” said Rodrigo Silla, 50, a lifelong cannabis farmer who said he couldn’t remember the last time his family and others in their tiny hamlet gave up growing mota. “I wish the Americans would stop with this legalization.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...dfc590-2123-4cc6-b664-1e5948960576_story.html
Legalize Opium! It worked with alcohol, it worked with pot.

 

[69360]

Have you really read all of our responses and that is the best you can come up with??

I have and I am not convinced by either side of this issue. I'm not sure legal heroin is the answer or if keeping it illegal is right. I'm still undecided for now.

I see merit from both sides but there doesn't seem to be a good middle ground.

 

[pcosmar]

But Pete,

Think of the children....

The children of the kops, the prosecutors, the judges, the jailers, the court ordered treatment center employees......

Without the drug war unemployment would be tripled!

Someone needs to pick the lettuce,
They can get jobs doing something productive.

 

[tod evans]

Someone needs to pick the lettuce,
They can get jobs doing something productive.

I might be able to put one or two to work driving a broom.....I don't trust 'em with power tools.

 

[pcosmar]

At least legalize opium, if somebody just has to turn it into heroin at least it's not something the cartels can profit from.

Tracing the U.S. heroin surge back south of the border as Mexican cannabis output falls

By Nick Miroff, Published: April 6 E-mail the writer
TEPACA DE BADIRAGUATO, MEXICO — The surge of cheap heroin spreading in $4 hits across rural America can be traced back to the remote valleys of the northern Sierra Madre.

With the wholesale price of marijuana falling — driven in part by decriminalization in sections of the United States — Mexican drug farmers are turning away from cannabis and filling their fields with opium poppies.

Click here to subscribe.

Mexican heroin is flooding north as U.S. authorities trying to contain an epidemic of prescription painkiller abuse have tightened controls on synthetic opiates such as hydrocodone and OxyContin. As the pills become more costly and difficult to obtain, Mexican trafficking organizations have found new markets for heroin in places such as Winchester, Va., and Brattleboro, Vt., where, until recently, needle use for narcotics was rare or unknown.

Farmers in the storied “Golden Triangle” region of Mexico’s Sinaloa state, which has produced the country’s most notorious gangsters and biggest marijuana harvests, say they are no longer planting the crop. Its wholesale price has collapsed in the past five years, from $100 per kilogram to less than $25.

“It’s not worth it anymore,” said Rodrigo Silla, 50, a lifelong cannabis farmer who said he couldn’t remember the last time his family and others in their tiny hamlet gave up growing mota. “I wish the Americans would stop with this legalization.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...dfc590-2123-4cc6-b664-1e5948960576_story.html
Legalize Opium! It worked with alcohol, it worked with pot.

I call bullshit.

I have never seen a $100 dollar Kilo,,let alone $25. (saw $500 kilos long ago)

I remember $25 ounces.. But presently to is $20 a gram (or more)..

And I have not even seen Mexican Pot in the US for many years. (or Jamaican,,or Colombian)

All I see is the force grown,, and genetically manipulated stuff. $100 dollar an ounce Mexican pot would be welcomed in the market here.

 

[acptulsa]

I have and I am not convinced by either side of this issue. I'm not sure legal heroin is the answer or if keeping it illegal is right. I'm still undecided for now.

I see merit from both sides but there doesn't seem to be a good middle ground.

The middle ground is what we have now. The UN pressures the world's governments to keep it illegal so the Central Intelligence Mafia can use profits from it to fund their grand adventures in places like the Ukraine. And no, it's not good.

Any government solution you can name is about as valid a 'solution' as spraying gasoline on your burning house.

 

[pcosmar]

I might be able to put one or two to work driving a broom.....I don't trust 'em with power tools.

Any honest labor is good.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

CIA making a lot of money smuggling it in

Keeps the POLICE STATE funding going and THEIR justifications to violate the US Constitution. Nice racket eh... Spend taxpayer money to harvest, transport, and distribute so-called Class 1A drugs and then spend even more money building an entire system to fight and control it all.

The Drug War from seed to grave, has proven to be more Orwellian than any coup d'état of individual rights and the US Constitution. It has enable a slew of false laws and authorized government; lying, stealing, destruction, and death on the grandest of scales.

****It's a designed system that's perpetually manifests upon itself... bigger budgets, more government drones, more liabilities to the taxpayers, rights, and of course, look at all the profiteers. It's a government monopoly racket, racketeering, organized crime, influence, and corruption.

 

[Origanalist]

I call bullshit.

I have never seen a $100 dollar Kilo,,let alone $25. (saw $500 kilos long ago)

I remember $25 ounces.. But presently to is $20 a gram (or more)..

And I have not even seen Mexican Pot in the US for many years. (or Jamaican,,or Colombian)

All I see is the force grown,, and genetically manipulated stuff. $100 dollar an ounce Mexican pot would be welcomed in the market here.

Were you growing or buying from the farmers down in Mexico? I remember $10.00 ounces. But that was a long time ago, and I really have no idea what Mexican pot goes for these days. Much less what the farmers are selling it for.