Operation Spooner- Iowa Outreach

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Libertarian Party and Constitution Party members have a high chance of already knowing about Ron Paul...these people are these parties because they are already informed (this is my opinion anyway). I think targeting them wouldn't really do much....but there is an off chance you can catch a few that have been 'sleeping' for a bit.

But they won't go the the IA GOP Straw Poll unless they understand that their numbers will make the difference for RP. It probably hadn't even occurred to them to go the the GOP straw poll -- they're not getting the notices from the IA Republican Party. All we have to do is call them and take 30 seconds to ask them to attend the straw poll. That's what I mean by them being the easiest bang for the buck.
 
Is anyone actually doing this? I signed up to call, but haven't received any information back on actually calling....
wondering what's going on...

ME TOO. Has anyone gotten a list yet from Heather? My guess is that there is something rotten and fishy going on. As far as I can see very little or nothing of value has come out of National. IF anyone has seen something, please tell me.

IMO, this is NOT because they are "overworked." IF they were overworked, then Spooner would NEVER have been cancelled????? That wouldn't make ratiuonal sense, would it?

IMO, It is purposeful footdragging to decrease the number of RP people at Ames. I'm sorry but I've had too much political experience (40+) years to see this as anything else than an insider(s) trying to sabotage the campaign.

There is a plan to deal with this possibiity. IF you want to know more, send me a personal e-mail
 
Sc Spooner Project

I second the motion. Start operation Spooner 2.0 SC.

IMO, you should start it now or at the latest the day after Ames, i.e. August 12th. Then keep it as a private effort. IF National wants to have their own program, let them. I pray that Ames will turn out great for RP but be prepared to move quickly if it doesn't.
 
What do you think about New Hampshire? NH has a lot less voters than Iowa so would be easier to penetrate.

Also, NH could be our ace in the hole in case things don't turn out so well in Iowa.

Or...HQ is pushing this calling effort for the August 11 Ames Straw Poll. There's still a lot of time between the straw poll and the Iowa caucus in January. Our work in Iowa will be far from done after August 11 - just starting, really.

Maybe fences could be mended between HQ and Operation Spooner and we could all work together to keep spreading the word in Iowa.

The fences are broken in only one direction!!!!! National has treated some of its most dedicated people worst frankly than I would my worst enemy. The important thing , however, is NOT personalities but the FACT that the call campaign has been set back probably a week which we can't afford!!!!

TO THE GOOD SPOONER FOLKS. WORK ON SC, NH, and AZ VOTING LISTS NOW AND ANNOUNCE SPOONER NH, AZ or SC PROJECT ON AUGUST 12TH. LET NATIONAL RUN A PARELLEL CALL CAMPAIGN IF THEY WISH.

THEY KEEP TELLING US THAT THEY CAN'T SUPPLY US WITH NAMES, INFO BECAUSE OF McCAIN-fEINGOLD. WELL THAT LAW GOES BOTH WAYS, DOESN'T IT? MY LEGAL ADVISORS ARE TOTALLY BEWILDERED BY THE CLAIMS OF NATIONAL AS TO THE RESTRICTIONS OF McCAIN-FEINGOLD??? I WANT TO SEE CHAPTER AND VERSE FROM NATIONAL!!!
 
Some one needs to notify Chuck Young and grow some "_____"....I'll take the heat.....lol unofficial Call Iowan Operation begins here!!

FWIW, I contacted Chuck Young this morning with a proposal for building a grasroots RP campaign centered around Spooner in all states. I felt the grassroots needed an alternative winning campaign plan as an alternative that Ames becomes a bomb because of National's last minute meddling and its breakin its promise to have Call Iowa up and running. Anyone can privately e-mail if they feel uncomfortable about this.
 
MY 2 CENTS to GET INFORMATION.

I THINK THE PROMOTORS OF OPERATION SPOONER SHOULD CONTACT THE CAMPAIGN and Set a Deadline for Action.


"If do not know what you have planned by Wednesday and get this ball rolling, we will push forward with our agenda/campaign and work independantly"

SIMPLE... Set up a conditional and stop waiting on them to make the decision.

Draw the line in the sand because we need to either move forward with them, or without them..

AGREED 100%. AND THAT DEADLINE, NO EXCUSES FOR NOT MEETING IT, IS

NOON, JULY 18TH. THAT'S 5 DAYS PAST THE TIME THEY SAID IT WOULD BE UP AND RUNNING!!!
 
I justed called HQ and they said they didn't take over the operation, but Joe was running it now, or something to that effect. Said the list should be out soon.

He also said Joe's email was [email protected]

So I don't know what to think.

-Dustan

OH BOY. IF JOE is running this, we are in real trouble. He rarely if ever answers e-mails no matter how critical. I truly am scared for RP at Ames.
 
I'm pixxed. We would have been better off not donating to the campaign if we had known giving them staff would bring all the positive momentum to a screeching halt.

I agree with you. I was giving $20/month to National but since this faisco occured, I will be spending that money locally here in Iowa. I don't want to feed the Bermuda Triangle.
 
I understand your frustration about the campaign. But all this negativity is really bumming me out. Let's be a little more patient and make extra calls in a shorter period of time. Hopefully they send the lists tommorow. I really don't understand the hold up either, but c'mon I'm sure they are getting a lot more callers than spooner had.

I mean, this is obviously not Dr. Paul's fault.

NO it is NOT RP's fault BUT IMO we are being told less than the truth about what we and National can do legally under McCain-Feingold.

Patient???? Joe has been in his job three weeks and NOW we are just staring an Call Iowa Campaign replacing an already up and running campaign?

And National REFUSED to provide the names of the volunteers to Spooner saying (a) couldn't do so under McCain-Feingold and then later (b) we wish to keep the names SECRET???

I could be patient if we had two months until Ames but we have less than three weeks???
 
I understand your frustration about the campaign. But all this negativity is really bumming me out. Let's be a little more patient and make extra calls in a shorter period of time. Hopefully they send the lists tommorow. I really don't understand the hold up either, but c'mon I'm sure they are getting a lot more callers than spooner had.

I mean, this is obviously not Dr. Paul's fault.

NO it is NOT RP's fault BUT IMO we are being told less than the truth about what we and National can do legally under McCain-Feingold.

Patient???? Joe has been in his job three weeks and NOW we are just starting an Call Iowa Campaign replacing an already up and running campaign? Where are the political smarts? Where are the sense of priorities?

And National REFUSED to provide the names of the volunteers to Spooner saying (a) couldn't do so under McCain-Feingold and then later (b) we wish to keep the names SECRET???

I could be patient if we had two months until Ames but we have less than three weeks???
 
From smallgov.org

Over the last few years, it seems that the Libertarian Party has been the victim of numerous con-artists. There was Joe Seehusen (former executive director) who kept touting increasing membership and taking a bonus for it, all the while, every state affiliate was telling their LNC representatives that membership was declining. :eek:

(not being an alarmist, just trying to connect the dots)
 
OH BOY. IF JOE is running this, we are in real trouble. He rarely if ever answers e-mails no matter how critical. I truly am scared for RP at Ames.

He got back to me within 24hrs:

From Joe:

Dustan, 2 million plus files are loaded, and begin to be sent out today.

Heather is your contact on this.

THANKS for you help on this vital project.

Joe

 
Going to go in a different direction on this one. Although I respect the official campaigns drive, dedication, commitment and innovation in our common goal, I’m finding myself at odds of the news that Operation Spooner has been shut down?

We need to remember that there are allot of volunteers that are retired, in between semesters at school, currently unemployed, on 'vacation' have chosen not to work in order to dedicate themselves to the campaign full time. These people come from different backgrounds and many have decades of experience in their professions that lend themselves to being very effective in a campaign like this. They have taken a job that does not pay cash, any amount of cash but does pay in a different way. In a way no amount of money can possibly match, a payment of a bright future for our country.

I really, really hope that Operation Spooner was shut down for something other than a decision from HQ. A decision like that would be no way to win a campaign. The only way we have a chance is if everyone on an individual basis does whatever they can, when they can to make sure that Ron Paul wins. That’s it, end of story.

Our friends that put Operation Spooner together spent many hours and people like Jason, Rachel, Josh and everyone else that put the word on the net and beyond on this project should be thankd and applauded for they're work, and their example of commitment to this campaign! Many different groups and people online started to come together on this one, it felt like the stars were aligning, which was a nice thing to see The official campaign needs to take a humble approach when it comes to something like this. The support structure efforts outside of a traditional campaign something that is grassroots/netroots like this can turn out WAY WAY WAY more support than the best and biggest official campaign. ... anyway I'm kind of emotional about this one, lets just say I’m holding my anger till all the facts are in.

I know your getting this information second hand and I've heard someone from the official campaign talk about how "Big" their calling list is, although honestly that's B.S. excuse my French, who cares how big the list is? we need as many people calling as soon as possible that should be our focus, and to keep the momentum going and not stop. The more callers we have the better, there is always time to add to a list, but the crunch between now and August 11 is narrowing. I can't believe we're throwing away Advokit for excel spreadsheets. ::smacks hand against head::

Anyway really the only thing I have to say right now is if someone has regular contact with someone in the official campaign, preferablly someone close to the top, please tell them if their going to have a Call Iowa Outreach program to get their asses in gear. The longer it is delayed the more people will begin to feel frustrated. We have a Straw Poll to win and I'm going to feel really bad about it if we look back and realize there may have been other options that would have worked better if we had allowed them to. Worst part is, Operation Spooner shuts down and the official calling program isn't ACTIVE yet?!?!? Wow even Tancredo is killing us on that one. Don't fix what aint broken is what I heard.

I struggled with this for a bit, but I have to say it. Operation Spooner may have been aptly named, take a look at Lysander Spooner wiki article, specifically regarding the postal monopoly, am I just reaching here or what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander_Spooner

Now I'm not saying lets SPAM them, lol that is stupid. I'm just saying if you're
in casual conversation with one of them tell them. Thanks.
 
From smallgov.org

Over the last few years, it seems that the Libertarian Party has been the victim of numerous con-artists. There was Joe Seehusen (former executive director) who kept touting increasing membership and taking a bonus for it, all the while, every state affiliate was telling their LNC representatives that membership was declining. :eek:

(not being an alarmist, just trying to connect the dots)

Do you have documented proof of this? I KNOW there are some who are reading my posts that perhaps angry at me or think I'm paranoid. I have seen too much politics in my 40+ years to not be looking closely for the "wrong" people running a campaign under very false claims. It is easy to do when a candidate is THIRSTING for volunteers to help and looking for "experienced" politicos to hire.

On please, I hope I'm wrong about the gut feeling I have.
 
Man, I really hope this isn't true.

well, if it is, then he needs to be kicked to the curb ASAP and perhaps grab someone from this forum or one of the meetups who actually WANT to help ron paul. Scary cause if a person is willing to take bonuses to manipulate data, then he can be 'bought', and if that is the case... who knows.. maybe he has already been bought to make thinks run not so smooth...
 
He got back to me within 24hrs:

From Joe:

Dustan, 2 million plus files are loaded, and begin to be sent out today.

Heather is your contact on this.

THANKS for you help on this vital project.

Joe


Do you have contact info for Heather?

If she is your 'contact' then I suspect you do. If not I can get a hold of her cell and give her a buzz.

If they say it is coming out today then we can only wait. This is crunch time so if no lists are released today then Joe or someone needs to be asked a few questions.
 
Do you have contact info for Heather?

If she is your 'contact' then I suspect you do. If not I can get a hold of her cell and give her a buzz.

If they say it is coming out today then we can only wait. This is crunch time so if no lists are released today then Joe or someone needs to be asked a few questions.

well?

its 1:15pm pacific time, and 4:15 eastern time.. so, I am assuming IF they were sending out numbers, they should have already been funneled out.....?

uhmmmm........ ya :confused:
 
well, if it is, then he needs to be kicked to the curb ASAP and perhaps grab someone from this forum or one of the meetups who actually WANT to help ron paul. Scary cause if a person is willing to take bonuses to manipulate data, then he can be 'bought', and if that is the case... who knows.. maybe he has already been bought to make thinks run not so smooth...

Hold your horses, everyone. This stuff is hearsay and there's always 3 sides or more to stories like this. Joe is not on trial here.

Have you met Joe Seehusen? I have. I've seen him in action. He's working like crazy to see to it that Ron Paul is our next president. A lot harder than me, in fact, and a lot harder than anyone else in Iowa.
 
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