Open your eyes: Huckabee people are on our side...

[DeadtoSin]

They aren't ditching anyone. Why can't they support the candidate of their choice? They aren't campaigning for him here. They just want to work with us on things that we have in common. There are a great many things his supporters and our supporters agree with. They are against abortion, they want smaller government, and lower taxes. Now maybe Huckabee didn't do such a great job all the time on that, but you can't say all of his supporters want to raise taxes because Huckabee might have raised taxes.

They have things in common with us...

 

[Conza88]

They aren't ditching anyone. Why can't they support the candidate of their choice? They aren't campaigning for him here. They just want to work with us on things that we have in common. There are a great many things his supporters and our supporters agree with. They are against abortion, they want smaller government, and lower taxes. Now maybe Huckabee didn't do such a great job all the time on that, but you can't say all of his supporters want to raise taxes because Huckabee might have raised taxes.

They have things in common with us...

If you want lower taxes, but you are supporting someone who has a history of raising them - consistently! I think your sanity needs to be questioned.

I struggle to understand this one. Can someone explain, no matter how obvious.. Ok, so they a want Pro-Family, Pro-Life, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-Values, Pro-Lower Taxes... and they some how didn't arrive at Ron Paul? Even though, he dominates in each category? Someone really hasn't done their homework.. tsk tsk.

I guess their shepherd (MS) didn't lead them to the right bail of hay..

 

[amy31416]

I struggle to understand this one. Can someone explain, no matter how obvious.. Ok, so they a want Pro-Family, Pro-Life, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-Values, Pro-Lower Taxes... and they some how didn't arrive at Ron Paul? Even though, he dominates in each category? Someone really hasn't done their homework.. tsk tsk.

Yes, I can explain it. First, RP is considered a libertarian Republican candidate, which has an "anything goes" connotation. Promoting state's rights, while a great thing in my mind, may not be so great to a right-leaning Christian. CA, NY, MA, etc, the liberal states could make abortion, drugs, homosexual marriage legal, and possibly make guns illegal.

Is that out of step with libertarian principles and personal responsibility? Yes! But guess what, most Christians are not libertarian, and they do want to make abortion illegal across the board. Ron Paul would not deliver on this.

The fundamental difference, I think, between Paul supporters and Huck supporters is non-interventionist vs. interventionist. All our other differences stem from that, IMO.

 

[acptulsa]

The fundamental difference, I think, between Paul supporters and Huck supporters is non-interventionist vs. interventionist. All our other differences stem from that, IMO.

They can actually be pretty reasonable about it, though. Some will admit that the primary problem with intervention is deciding who decides what is right. Others will at least agree that making abortion a states' rights issue is the most promising direction. In the end, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and we need all the friends we can get!

 

[bpassmore]

Very well said Amy.
We (F3 and Ron Paul supporters) seem to have a lot in common at the local and state levels - We (F3) are anxious to work with you guys on promoting these candidates that share so many common virtues.
I fully understand and expect a lot of Ron Paul supporters to not work with us, but that does not mean that we are happy about that. We want and need your help to get conservative candidates elected at all levels of government. I hope we can find a way to bridge these gaps in our philosophies. Please leave the Hucakbee/Paul fighting at the door. We are needing to focus on the races that are ahead. Thanks for your time.

 

[acptulsa]

Morning, Brett. Got a minute? There's an interesting thread on Romans 13 going, and your input could be interesting.

Found "New Posts" yet? Just under the presidential seal at the top of the page. Click away and take a look.

 

[amy31416]

They can actually be pretty reasonable about it, though. Some will admit that the primary problem with intervention is deciding who decides what is right. Others will at least agree that making abortion a states' rights issue is the most promising direction. In the end, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and we need all the friends we can get!

You're correct. I've found, so far, that they are much more reasonable and tolerant of it than we are. How's that for irony?

 

[amy31416]

Very well said Amy.
We (F3 and Ron Paul supporters) seem to have a lot in common at the local and state levels - We (F3) are anxious to work with you guys on promoting these candidates that share so many common virtues.
I fully understand and expect a lot of Ron Paul supporters to not work with us, but that does not mean that we are happy about that. We want and need your help to get conservative candidates elected at all levels of government. I hope we can find a way to bridge these gaps in our philosophies. Please leave the Hucakbee/Paul fighting at the door. We are needing to focus on the races that are ahead. Thanks for your time.

Welcome back Brett. I think we can definitely bridge our gaps and work on things together on this. I think we'll have to do it mostly on your boards though. At this point, I would be quite hesitant to recommend these boards to anyone who isn't a staunch, thick-skinned RP supporter.

 

[DeadtoSin]

Hey Amy, who are you on F3? You can PM me if you feel more comfortable doing that. Big surprise, I'm DeadtoSin.

 

[amy31416]

Hey Amy, who are you on F3? You can PM me if you feel more comfortable doing that. Big surprise, I'm DeadtoSin.

Big surprise for me too...I'm amy31416. Haven't gone on yet today, because I don't yet have any new information, but since BJ's mass donation day is tomorrow--I'll be logging on soon.

Oh, and for RP people going there, I made the mistake of including a link to "Bucks for BJ," it's too "Ron Paul" driven, rather than conservative--so I just posted a link to his website. I might dig up my spotlight on here, along with the info that Garland (on BJ's staff) included and post some of that.

 

[bpassmore]

acptulsa - that is a great thread - i posted my response - very interesting thoughts there... Thanks for the heads up

 

[acptulsa]

And a thoughtful post it was, too. My pleasure.

 

[DeadtoSin]

Bump

 

[DeadtoSin]

Bump

 

[MMolloy]

Actually, this is not the case. I can name off many things that I disagree with them, but they aren't really warmongers. If you're looking for warmongers, look at McCain or Giuliani. Huckabee people don't promote the war. In fact, when watching the debates... as far as Huckabee himself goes... it seems like he just talks more about "finishing it" instead of "killing islam crazies," like you might hear from Rudy. And McCain supporters talk like that too... they are very dedicated to fighting in Iraq because of "terrorists" that will "kill us". I don't necessarily see this from Huckabee supporters.

Huckabee doesn't have to be an out and out warmonger to follow the NeoCon Foreign Policy... anybody paying attention to the names he was dropping as foreign policy advisors, like Richard Haass (President of the CFR), knows he'll tow the NeoCon Line on Foreign Policy.

 

[Conza88]

I think its only appropriate, that on F3 or some Huckabee forum, a post is made with this title:

"Open your eyes: Ron Paul people are on our side..."

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you want lower taxes, but you are supporting someone who has a history of raising them - consistently! I think your sanity needs to be questioned.

I struggle to understand this one. Can someone explain, no matter how obvious.. Ok, so they a want Pro-Family, Pro-Life, Pro-2nd Amendment, Pro-Values, Pro-Lower Taxes... and they some how didn't arrive at Ron Paul? Even though, he dominates in each category? Someone really hasn't done their homework.. tsk tsk.

I guess their shepherd (MS) didn't lead them to the right bail of hay..

Until he bailed out for Obama, we had a supposed supporter here for a long time that thought Che Guevara was some kind of hero, instead of the Commie murderer that he was. So, we have no room to talk.

In my opinion, we should work with the Huckabee people on those things we share in common. It makes no sense to me that we would drive a wedge between us and other people who believe in liberty, but in our opinion, didn't see the fallacy of their ways in supporting Huckabee. Don't forget that the media had a lot to do with this and as much as I love him, Dr. Paul didn't do a great job of helping people understand. Too much of the "get rid of the CIA and the FBI" stuff and it really scared and confused a lot of people. Heck, there were times I had to pull out a book to understand why he was saying what he was saying and I have been a supporter of his for over 20 years.

 

[MMolloy]

I think its only appropriate, that on F3 or some Huckabee forum, a post is made with this title:

"Open your eyes: Ron Paul people are on our side..."

And their response would be something like: "This is unacceptable and inaccurate. You might be trying to push the limits of what i will accept. this just crossed it. Keep threads on topic and keep the discussion professional and truthful.

This is the first and last time I post this." BYTE ME Brett... I mean, yes sir 2+2=5

Who needs soldiers who can't spot the enemy, don't know how to use a weapon and who's skin is so thin they bleed if you sneeze in their vacinity... and who may wind up working for the enemy(McINSANE) or shooting you in the back

 

[DeadtoSin]

Thats because you blatantly insulted the candidate of the majority of the people on the boards. If you are going to be a tool, then by all means please don't go back there. We're over there to work with them, not act like douches.

 

[Conza88]

Don't forget that the media had a lot to do with this and as much as I love him, Dr. Paul didn't do a great job of helping people understand. Too much of the "get rid of the CIA and the FBI" stuff and it really scared and confused a lot of people. Heck, there were times I had to pull out a book to understand why he was saying what he was saying and I have been a supporter of his for over 20 years.

That is such bs. He has done the most to help people understand. God damnit, he takes insanely complicated issues - and does what many find so hard, he simplifies them so that people CAN UNDERSTAND. He does it extraordinarily well. The man has been a catalyst for waking up so many people its not even funny. Not just in the USA, we're talking the world over. I just had to hear the man speak. And for many others, thats all it took.

If anyone struggles to understand, or comprehend what he's saying. Then ignorance is paramount. (Quite obviously; and for all those ignorant, of what it means to be ignorant - go look that shit up. Hmm K. It's not directly associated with stupidity - get a clue thanks.) So its either that, or someones had too much fluoride.

Ron Paul does NOT speak in sound bites. Which is the problem to start with (NOT HIS) its the MSM's and how talking points are framed. If you SAY stuff like that, get rid of the CIA etc, and don't have more than a few sentences to elaborate you come off as a kook. Ron Paul always managed to get the full context across.

Give blame where its due. It certainly doesn't fall at his feet. 30 years of the same thing. You've been following for 20years, and you still don't understand? I spouse it depends on what degree, you'd classify as 'understanding' but on a basic level, if you can't get there from listening to him speak. Something is very, very wrong.