Open your eyes: Huckabee people are on our side...

[Jeremy]

Some of them at least... I realize there was a recent thread posted in this board. This thread was very unclear, but the title had "Huckabee" in it, so people thought Huckabee people were doing something against us.

What Ron Paul and Huckabee supporters need to realize is that we are fighting for essentially the same thing. We are both working for limited government and working against socialism... for religious freedom... for gun rights, for fiscal conservatism... etc.

I have been involved in a group started by Huckabee people. This is a group for conservatives (I know of 1 or 2 other RP people there). We are looking for congressional campaigns to help out, and we are planning on helping MANY of the SAME people that we help here.

Sure, there are things we don't agree with as well. In fact, I've debated these there and frankly I think they just don't realize that Mike isn't much of a fiscal conservative. And as far as us, they might say Ron Paul is a fiscal conservative but a social libertarian. But who cares... we are moving on. This is about limiting government and it doesn't matter because there are small things or... things that don't even apply anymore.

I've heard people say that the future of the Republican party is the Huckabee people and the Ron Paul people. And you know, I'd have to agree. They can work with us... their problem is that they have a few more Republican establishment people... they don't nesacarily like that either though. Both of us agree that there is something wrong with the party and the country. Let's do something about it.

 

[Kalifornia]

I agree that we have alot in common. The problem is that we have alot not in common as well. Their warmongering and authorityworshipping drives me completely up a wall.

What does it take to get these 'conservatives' to see that a huge state is a huge state, regardless of if it is taxing you for a welfare state or taxing you for a warfare and police state?

 

[Jeremy]

I agree that we have alot in common. The problem is that we have alot not in common as well. Their warmongering and authorityworshipping drives me completely up a wall.

What does it take to get these 'conservatives' to see that a huge state is a huge state, regardless of if it is taxing you for welfare taxing you for warfare and overreaching criminal law enforcement?

Actually, this is not the case. I can name off many things that I disagree with them, but they aren't really warmongers. If you're looking for warmongers, look at McCain or Giuliani. Huckabee people don't promote the war. In fact, when watching the debates... as far as Huckabee himself goes... it seems like he just talks more about "finishing it" instead of "killing islam crazies," like you might hear from Rudy. And McCain supporters talk like that too... they are very dedicated to fighting in Iraq because of "terrorists" that will "kill us". I don't necessarily see this from Huckabee supporters.

 

[Kalifornia]

Actually, this is not the case. I can name off many things that I disagree with them, but they aren't really warmongers. If you're looking for warmongers, look at McCain or Giuliani. Huckabee people don't promote the war. In fact, when watching the debates... as far as Huckabee himself goes... it seems like he just talks more about "finishing it" instead of "killing islam crazies," like you might hear from Rudy. And McCain supporters talk like that too... they are very dedicated to fighting in Iraq because of "terrorists" that will "kill us". I don't necessarily see this from Huckabee supporters.

Maybe this is so, Ill look into it. You arent going to try to convince me that they arent all about the drug war and our massive losses of civil liberties are you?

 

[Jeremy]

Maybe this is so, Ill look into it. You arent going to try to convince me that they arent all about the drug war and our massive losses of civil liberties are you?

They won't fight to stop the drug war, but they will at least fight against taxes, against spending, against Real ID, against the IRS, and maybe even against the Fed.

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

Actually, this is not the case. I can name off many things that I disagree with them, but they aren't really warmongers. If you're looking for warmongers, look at McCain or Giuliani. Huckabee people don't promote the war. In fact, when watching the debates... as far as Huckabee himself goes... it seems like he just talks more about "finishing it" instead of "killing islam crazies," like you might hear from Rudy. And McCain supporters talk like that too... they are very dedicated to fighting in Iraq because of "terrorists" that will "kill us". I don't necessarily see this from Huckabee supporters.

Huckabee supporters seem to value honor and duty so I would think that they would agree with these:

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2007/12/reagan-rejected-nation-building.html
http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2008/03/george-washington-endorses-ron-paul.html
http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2007/12/soldiers-endorse-ron-paul.html
http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2008/01/religious-endorse-ron-paul.html

 

[Kotin]

"Be prepared, first, to put your sights on the American vessel. And then be prepared that the next thing you see will be the gates of Hell, because that is exactly what you will see after that."


- Mike Huckabee.

???

he is a total warmonger, maybe some of his supporters arent, but i'd say a majority are huge proponents to the War on Terror, and specifically the war on muslims.


calling for unity is fine, but don't be dillusional.

 

[Jeremy]

Accept I was originally talking about the supporters. And they do agree with the war. But they aren't Rudy. And Mike isn't as bad as Rudy obviously.

 

[DeadtoSin]

Many of my friends are Huck supporters. What Stormcommander says is true, they will fight against taxes, real ID, and the Fed. Our convention had half a room full of Huck supporters, 1/4 Ron Paul supporters, and 1/4 other. We nearly passed a resolution calling for the abolishment of the Federal Reserve.

 

[Kalifornia]

these are not conservatives, they are American Taliban.

 

[Jeremy]

these are not conservatives, they are American Taliban.

If you'll freely say that, don't whine and complain when someone over there calls us "crazy". You see, many of us are on the same page... we are trying to work together. But many people, like you, are close minded... and this is true on both sides.

 

[Kotin]

these are not conservatives, they are American Taliban.

that is completely uncalled for.


we know the reality about huck supporters.


they are a bit misguided on foreign policy and the drug war etc.. alot in fact.


but they are fiscal conservatives, real ones, i believe, so..


lets see if we cant educate them on foreign policy and it's ties to true Conservatism.

but there is no need for name calling or character assassination.

follow the example set by our good Doctor

 

[nate895]

Before I supported Ron Paul, I supported Huckabee for a couple months, I know there is some stuff in common, in fact I believe that if many of Huckabee's (and Thompson's) supporters were to have seen that Ron Paul could win, they'd have voted for him instead.

BTW, does this group happen to be called the "F3 Coalition?" I have received emails from the service I subscribed to when I was a Huck supporter talking about it.

 

[Kalifornia]

If you'll freely say that, don't whine and complain when someone over there calls us "crazy". You see, many of us are on the same page... we are trying to work together. But many people, like you, are close minded... and this is true on both sides.

Im not sure how you dont see it. They are willing to engage in holy war to the economic destruction of our nation. They are willing to lock people up for life just for owning a substance. They are willing to hand over every single shred of individual dignity and soveriegnty we have left in the name of safety.

Hell, I have alot in common with Dennis Kucinich as well, but you dont see me joining the Democratic party.

Ill work with them on issues we share values, but dont expect me to invite them over for dinner.

 

[Jeremy]

Before I supported Ron Paul, I supported Huckabee for a couple months, I know there is some stuff in common, in fact I believe that if many of Huckabee's (and Thompson's) supporters were to have seen that Ron Paul could win, they'd have voted for him instead.

BTW, does this group happen to be called the "F3 Coalition?" I have received emails from the service I subscribed to when I was a Huck supporter talking about it.

Yes. You might want to join. By the way, if you look at the board for sending surveys to candidates (they send surveys for a possible endorsement), you'll see people that we also like, such as BJ Lawson, Amit Singh, Vern McKinely. F3 also has a rule that makes it so you can't bash someone just because they supported a candidate... so RP people are there (although it's obviously a lot more filled with Huckabee people since it was founded by Huck's Army admins).

 

[Jeremy]

Im not sure how you dont see it. They are willing to engage in holy war to the economic destruction of our nation. They are willing to lock people up for life just for owning a substance. They are willing to hand over every single shred of individual dignity and soveriegnty we have left in the name of safety.

Hell, I have alot in common with Dennis Kucinich as well, but you dont see me joining the Democratic party.

Ill work with them on issues we share values, but dont expect me to invite them over for dinner.

Actually George Bush started the war... not a political group that didn't exist yet.

 

[sratiug]

Im not sure how you dont see it. They are willing to engage in holy war to the economic destruction of our nation. They are willing to lock people up for life just for owning a substance. They are willing to hand over every single shred of individual dignity and soveriegnty we have left in the name of safety.

Hell, I have alot in common with Dennis Kucinich as well, but you dont see me joining the Democratic party.

Ill work with them on issues we share values, but dont expect me to invite them over for dinner.

I agree. Everyone here should agree that that war on drugs gave rise to the war on freedom that is called the war on terror. It is just as bad to sit by and watch our compatriots imprisoned for plants cultivated by George Washington and Thomas Jefferson without raising havoc as it is to condone these senseless wars. Political prisoners here may not be shot, but they lose their lives just the same.

Our soldiers going over at least have the choice to desert.

The war on drugs creates orphans of thousands of children. And subjects prisoners to muslim indoctrination at the same time. Not smart. Not ethical. Not moral.

 

[liberteebell]

Im not sure how you dont see it. They are willing to engage in holy war to the economic destruction of our nation. They are willing to lock people up for life just for owning a substance. They are willing to hand over every single shred of individual dignity and soveriegnty we have left in the name of safety.

Hell, I have alot in common with Dennis Kucinich as well, but you dont see me joining the Democratic party.

Ill work with them on issues we share values, but dont expect me to invite them over for dinner.

I believe it's important for us to form coalitions with people where we have agreements and educate people on those issues on which there is disagreement and that we should invite 'em for dinner; who doesn't like a good political debate??

For example, huge groups of people, such as Huck's, ARE real fiscal conservatives. Alliances with fiscal conservatives are crucial to smaller government. Cutting out taxation naturally results in less government intervention (or it should if we had responsible fiscal policies).

You don't have to join the democrat party just because you agree with some of Kucinich's positions but forming a coalition with Kucinich types on civil liberties amplifies that voice.

In the process we'll make some unusual alliances, but so what? I have great confidence that people will ultimately come to our side when they start to wake up. Don't forget that it's often a process that takes some time to understand true liberty and that the government is supposed to protect life, liberty and property, not "do things for people". The more you're around someone to discuss issues, the more opportunity you're going to have to influence their way of thinking.

 

[DeadtoSin]

I joined the F3 Coalition Stormcommander. Those forums probably aren't for these other guys, it isn't something they really accept. And you know what, thats perfectly fine. Thats why we live in America, to have different viewpoints.

I'm going to be there to support conservatism, and perhaps sway a few people into more conservative thinking. I know many Huckabee supporters who believe many of the right things, but they are off in a couple areas. They are much closer to real conservatism than a McCain supporter.

You know, I am a rookie to the political scene, but it really seems like some people are not only rookies to politics but they don't have any common sense either. Just because they don't subscribe to our beliefs doesn't instantly make them completely wrong on every issue. Take the issues you do agree on, and work together. Not only is that part of politics, it ought to be part of every day life.

 

[acroso]

idk, my feeling is the Huckabee people dislike us...