Open Thread for CFL Feedback

[Pete]

That is where we may run into problems as I don't know of a way to "vote". Also, due to the nature of the forum we will never have a quorum, so we must modify the rules to suit. What I have done in the closed thread is mention that motions can be re-opened for discussion for those members who are not here much... If anyone has any ideas on how we can most fairly deal with this all, please speak up. My thoughts are that if I see a motion seconded that has not been amended nor objected to, and has been here for a period of time, I will feel comfortable moving it

Thoughts?

I think it would be OK for a member to propose amendments to previously closed issues. How about a one or two week period of inactivity to consider them moved?

 

[Austin]

I second voter guides and candidate ratings

Let's go a bit more detailed than that. Make some suggestions/objections to my proposed amendment.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

What about, instead of just anyone being a precinct leader people have the potential to vote for the positions.

No offense to some precinct leaders but being apart of a local ron paul meetup our group organizer was not and still isn't very organized. We never really had a leader in the group who would actually get things done WHILE the person who felt he was in charge happily enjoyed the "leadership" role. Only issue is he never led anything.

I don't think "precinct leader" or whatever you want to call the position should just be handed to anyone who asks simply because there isn't someone else in the local area who volunteered.

Just a thought,

or if anything, anyone who isn't carrying their weight locally and showing real progress towards attaining goals and so forth could get removed and or replaced with someone else who can give it a shot and see how things progress for them.

I suppose if the training the cfl provides is solid then anyone COULD run their own local group just fine BUT that position isn't for everyone.

Time, money, effort, ideas, actually foot work is involved and I hope there is a way to screen for that so we don't have groups that stay stale with 7 members per city and so on.

Make the precinct leaders responsible for their turf so to speak, how that can be accomplished? not sure but odds are a state rep of some type to oversee and check up on the various groups and see how each specific group leader is progressing.

 

[Austin]

I think it would be OK for a member to propose amendments to previously closed issues. How about a one or two week period of inactivity to consider them moved?

I second that members should have the ability to propose amendments to previously closed issues.

I propose that some sort of committee be formed so that a quorum can be easily established. Otherwise, we will be constantly waiting for "inactivity" and the like. Becoming apart of this committee should a relatively easy task, but one must show commitment.

 

[Austin]

What about, instead of just anyone being a precinct leader people have the potential to vote for the positions.

No offense to some precinct leaders but being apart of a local ron paul meetup our group organizer was not and still isn't very organized. We never really had a leader in the group who would actually get things done WHILE the person who felt he was in charge happily enjoyed the "leadership" role. Only issue is he never led anything.

I don't think "precinct leader" or whatever you want to call the position should just be handed to anyone who asks simply because there isn't someone else in the local area who volunteered.

Just a thought,

or if anything, anyone who isn't carrying their weight locally and showing real progress towards attaining goals and so forth could get removed and or replaced with someone else who can give it a shot and see how things progress for them.

I suppose if the training the cfl provides is solid then anyone COULD run their own local group just fine BUT that position isn't for everyone.

Time, money, effort, ideas, actually foot work is involved and I hope there is a way to screen for that so we don't have groups that stay stale with 7 members per city and so on.

Make the precinct leaders responsible for their turf so to speak, how that can be accomplished? not sure but odds are a state rep of some type to oversee and check up on the various groups and see how each specific group leader is progressing.

What do you think presenting the scores as voted on by each level of membership status? That will make the scores from the Precinct level available to those who are interested, but also make it so that those who only trust this level or that level are treated fairly as well. It presents all data and then it is up to the members to decide which score that they would like to put above the others.

It would also be interesting to see if the scores are consistent throughout the levels of membership.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Considering there is not too much activity in the CFL sub-forum, we could use seperate threads for each issue. After a few days of discussion, or if someone moves to make a vote, the issue could be decided. After it has been added to the closed post, someone could propose an amendment even after it has been passed.

Think of the closed post as one huge bill. Well, one really small one when you compare it to the junk congress spits out...

This will be a living document for some time, until someone makes a motion to vote on the proposal/bill, upon which we should have a poll open for x amount of days.

Or, we could have a few days of discussion and those that really want to be involved in this process could form a committee. After the committee is formed, ideas from all will be welcomed and likely used. However, the final voting authority would rest in the committees hands.. That said, getting into the committee would not be a difficult task, but we need to make sure the people making the "decisions" are dedicated...

What do you think?

I think we can work with this, thanks

How about, after an idea gets seconded the originator starts a thread in the C4L sub-forum for discussion of that particular motion and posts the link here, indicating that discussion on that motion has been moved. Then we can use some of the other ideas above for furthering the process...?

I need to go out for a few hours and will see how this has developed then...

Have fun, all

onward and forward

 

[Austin]

I think we can work with this, thanks

How about, after an idea gets seconded the originator starts a thread in the C4L sub-forum for discussion of that particular motion and posts the link here, indicating that discussion on that motion has been moved. Then we can use some of the other ideas above for furthering the process...?

I need to go out for a few hours and will see how this has developed then...

Have fun, all

onward and forward

I like this, but I think the seconder should also be able to create the thread. That way things will move along quicker, just in case the originator is not as active and a thread is not made as quickly as it should be..

I'm feeling really good about this. Even if we don't get our ideas through to the CFL, I really think a better organization will spring up if they continue to ignore us. Free markets, baby!

EDIT: I'm going to going out for a while too. Hopefully I'll see some progress when I get back.

 

[tajitj]

needs to be a hub for Liberty minded sites. There should be links to this site, dailypaul, breaththematrix, revolutionbroadcasting, ronpaulforpresident2008.com

All these sites that get visited by use need to have a prominent place on the CFL site. The internet media is absolutely essential for this movement to succeed.

 

[Nate K]

Glad to see this thread's up..

I'm going to spend a lot of my time in this thread, in fact since I have so many ideas I will try to post one idea each day, to give time for each one to be hashed out.

Tonight's Idea:

State, County and District message boards/forums. This may take a bit of bandwidth but I'm positive it would help a whole lot.

 

[MRoCkEd]

Glad to see this thread's up..

I'm going to spend a lot of my time in this thread, in fact since I have so many ideas I will try to post one idea each day, to give time for each one to be hashed out.

Tonight's Idea:

State, County and District message boards/forums. This may take a bit of bandwidth but I'm positive it would help a whole lot.

They are working on putting up a forum soon. I assume it will be broken down at least according to state.

 

[Nate K]

I second a design contest and propose this amendment..

An Opportunities page or Open Positions page for those willing to donate their services to the CFL instead of their money. As I've said before, there are people willing to donate, but given the financial crisis we must be more flexible than consider only money. Services are just as if not more important. We need programmers, designers, people to make calls and arrangements.. there's plenty I guarantee.

They are working on putting up a forum soon. I assume it will be broken down at least according to state.

Did you hear when it would be up?

Forget the one idea a night, I'll post as many a day as i can lol.


New idea that's similar..

A live chat.

 

[MRoCkEd]

I second [recommending] a design contest.

Okay. any objections?

An Opportunities page or Open Positions page for those willing to donate their services to the CFL instead of their money. As I've said before, there are people willing to donate, but given the financial crisis we must be more flexible than consider only money. Services are just as if not more important. We need programmers, designers, people to make calls and arrangements.. there's plenty I guarantee.

sure - it can be a tab that says "Volunteer"
I second this idea.

Did you hear when it would be up?

nope, just read the latest blog post by the webmaster which says "With a non-ending stream of major projects in front of me (user forum, e-mail alerts, and recurring donations are the biggest before me at the moment)..."

New idea that's similar..
A live chat.

sure, i'll second that

 

[Pete]

An Opportunities page or Open Positions page for those willing to donate their services to the CFL instead of their money. As I've said before, there are people willing to donate, but given the financial crisis we must be more flexible than consider only money. Services are just as if not more important. We need programmers, designers, people to make calls and arrangements.. there's plenty I guarantee.

I'll second the skills bank (saw this term on operationcatherder.com, great concept).

I'm particularly interested in blogger/journalists and desktop publishers. We could do tremendous service by covering council meetings, statehouse sessions, court proceedings, etc., and reporting REAL local/state/federal government news to people in our precincts. Take THAT, MSM!

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Lets try to keep this thread for motions and seconds (and perhaps procedural sidebars). Once a proposal is seconded, a discussion thread should be started in the CFL sub-forum, such as this. After creating a discussion thread, then add a link to your OP like this. This will help a lot to keep organized and focused.

There is already some discussion in this thread regarding various proposals. I used the "logged-in button" motion as an example above and will move more, if necessary, but would prefer the original authors, or seconds, to start the threads via restatement, or copy/paste.

Happy Thanksgiving All

 

[hotbrownsauce]

I agree with all quoted things below
By MRoCkEd

* new design (terra eclipse? or design contest?)

By Imperial

"There MUST be a way for precinct leaders and higher to send bulk mailings to members."

By tajitj

needs to be a hub for Liberty minded sites. There should be links to this site, dailypaul, breaththematrix, revolutionbroadcasting, ronpaulforpresident2008.com

All these sites that get visited by use need to have a prominent place on the CFL site. The internet media is absolutely essential for this movement to succeed.

By ??

An Opportunities page or Open Positions page for those willing to donate their services to the CFL instead of their money. As I've said before, there are people willing to donate, but given the financial crisis we must be more flexible than consider only money. Services are just as if not more important. We need programmers, designers, people to make calls and arrangements.. there's plenty I guarantee.

- I heard a term mentioned called "Skills Bank"

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

What about, instead of just anyone being a precinct leader people have the potential to vote for the positions.

This is unworkable - if we are really successful this might be a legitimate issue in a few years. Here's why:

In MD we have 1,878 precincts.
We don't have contact info for even half that number of supporters.
last I heard between 150 and 200 had signed up on the CFL site
only 11 have stepped up to be precinct leaders.

I believe we are shy a district coordinator or two right now.

See the problem?

besides - people can share positions, so if one isn't pulling their weight - someone else can volunteer to "help".

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I propose that the CFL be barred from re-creating the wheel and that it must use existing grassroots infrastructure if that infrastructure exists.

needs to be a hub for Liberty minded sites. There should be links to this site, dailypaul, breaththematrix, revolutionbroadcasting, ronpaulforpresident2008.com

All these sites that get visited by use need to have a prominent place on the CFL site. The internet media is absolutely essential for this movement to succeed.

http://operationcatherder.com/index.php/Grassroots_Roadmap

They are working on putting up a forum soon. I assume it will be broken down at least according to state.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/

An Opportunities page or Open Positions page for those willing to donate their services to the CFL instead of their money. As I've said before, there are people willing to donate, but given the financial crisis we must be more flexible than consider only money. Services are just as if not more important. We need programmers, designers, people to make calls and arrangements.. there's plenty I guarantee.

http://operationcatherder.com/index.php/Skills_Bank

A live chat.

There are already a number of RP chat systems around.

Instead of doing Internet broadcasting – limit them to production and use BreakTheMatrix and Revolution Broadcasting, etc.

Basically, make the CFL site a huge Mashup that is INCLUSIVE of the grassroots and only doing things like TV production, voter registration data and training that no one else isn't already doing.

This do it all ourselves attitude just alienates people, is a COMPLETE waste of time and money and they usually do it poorly. Make them only do a few things and do them well. We don't need a grassroots version of BIG GOVERNMENT!

-t

 

[hotbrownsauce]

What I'd like to see when I first go to the site is

#1
An intro video or "Skip" option. Where it shows people like you and me in a compilation video saying what we think about the campaign for liberty and why people should join. And maybe in between some of us talking we can show short bits of rallies and actions and things we have accomplished to a big thunderous end where it gives people shivers and a lasting impression.

(At this stage people have seen real faces, real events, and heard why the campaign for liberty is such a big deal and partly why freedom is important)

#2
The second thing I'd like to see when I first go to this site is a guide. A sort of step by step guide to help walk people threw getting "edumacated" (educated).

The very first thing in the guide should be an introduction to the constitution such as Michael Badnarik's constitution class found here http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik maybe their are others? Please submit more if you have more. And a brief description why it is important to understand our laws.
There should be a list of actions. Meaning lists of what you as a citizen can do to dissent government or hold officials accountable.
How to get set up in your home town with other members. And how to get more members to join like a suggested tactics section. Also maybe it would be a good idea to list some of the great accomplishments from people of the past like MLK, women rights, Ghandi....

#3
The third thing I'd like to see is more information about the links on the C4L's "Education" page. There should be an "About" link next to the video, audio, or text inside the Education pages. The "About" link will be the ever important "Why this material is important to freedom." and also include "A very brief summary of material" and a brief "what it means." There is a lot of material and can be very time consuming. I think people would respect the material more if they knew what it was about rather than going in head first. (Not everyone will be as educated as some of us and will need some trivial questions filled in for a possible knowledge gap.)

#4-#10
The fourth thing I'd like to see is the blog.
The fifth, how to connect with others online.
The sixth, help and support.
The Seventh, donate options.
The eighth, sign up.
The ninth, links to places like dailypaul and break the matrix.
The tenth, a big "Thank You".

Summary:
By the end people have seen our smiles and actions. They have found out why freedom and our constitution is important. They have found out what kind of actions can be taken and their impact. They know where and how to contact others for information. And finally they know how to stay up to date and active on current activities.

 

[Pete]

^^^^I second this general approach. Very nice!

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

This is unworkable - if we are really successful this might be a legitimate issue in a few years. Here's why:

In MD we have 1,878 precincts.
We don't have contact info for even half that number of supporters.
last I heard between 150 and 200 had signed up on the CFL site
only 11 have stepped up to be precinct leaders.

I believe we are shy a district coordinator or two right now.

See the problem?

besides - people can share positions, so if one isn't pulling their weight - someone else can volunteer to "help".

-t

very valid points and understood.