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Open Letter to Dr. Ron Paul
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I'm with CyberCod its time to get angry.
I tried to post this on the CNN blog for the last GOP debate at the Reagan Library.
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During the debate I could only think of Lou Dobb's piece that occurred before the debate.
It seems he as well as many other Americans are fed up with government politics and how the government doesn't listen to the people.
We are now living in an era in which two parties, Republicans and Democrats, have complete control.
It seems hard for me to believe that three hundred million plus Americans can declare themselves either Democrat or Republican.
Worst of all the more I listen to the debates on both parties, the more I come to realize that the message of both parties is the same.
Bigger government, more socialized care, and although most the Republicans say they will cut taxes it seems obvious to me that the only way
any of these candidates can keep their promises would be to raise taxes. We are truly living in a new era in which the voice of the people is not heard.
Sadly the one candidate that I can tolerate listening to had the least amount of time at tonight's debate I do not dare write his name in fear of
censorship because that is clearly what has happened.
In a Country that was created due to taxation without representation it seems clear to me that we have ventured far off course.
I will leave you with a few quotes from my favorite comedian who I can assure you was not being comedic when he made them.
"The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners they own you. They own everything ... They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well informed well educated people capable of critical thinking."
"It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club. The table is tilted the game is rigged and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care."
"American's will probably remain willfully ignorant because the owners of this country know the truth it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." - "George Carlin"
Thank you for reading my thoughts obviously "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore."
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It's time we the people took this country back, REVOLUTION style.
I tried to post this on the CNN blog for the last GOP debate at the Reagan Library.
"
During the debate I could only think of Lou Dobb's piece that occurred before the debate.
It seems he as well as many other Americans are fed up with government politics and how the government doesn't listen to the people.
We are now living in an era in which two parties, Republicans and Democrats, have complete control.
It seems hard for me to believe that three hundred million plus Americans can declare themselves either Democrat or Republican.
Worst of all the more I listen to the debates on both parties, the more I come to realize that the message of both parties is the same.
Bigger government, more socialized care, and although most the Republicans say they will cut taxes it seems obvious to me that the only way
any of these candidates can keep their promises would be to raise taxes. We are truly living in a new era in which the voice of the people is not heard.
Sadly the one candidate that I can tolerate listening to had the least amount of time at tonight's debate I do not dare write his name in fear of
censorship because that is clearly what has happened.
In a Country that was created due to taxation without representation it seems clear to me that we have ventured far off course.
I will leave you with a few quotes from my favorite comedian who I can assure you was not being comedic when he made them.
"The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners they own you. They own everything ... They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well informed well educated people capable of critical thinking."
"It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club. The table is tilted the game is rigged and nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care."
"American's will probably remain willfully ignorant because the owners of this country know the truth it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." - "George Carlin"
Thank you for reading my thoughts obviously "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore."
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It's time we the people took this country back, REVOLUTION style.
Well isn't that a kick in the face.
I followed some links to see how many people have donated from my zip code....
42642, check it yourself
Zero. Zilch. Nada.
I tell you, this area just isn't very political.
Other than the price of gas, nothing here changes that much.
Kentucky would be an easy state to win if Dr. Paul would do some campaigning here now and give the people time to get off their butts and find out about him.
Adolph Giulianni did some early campaigning here, and I started to hear about how some people thought he was a good choice. And I quickly told him his finer points and then they changed their mind. If Ron Paul does NOTHING else, at least he got that turd out of the race.
Kentuckians are slow to form their opinions of political things, and fiercely loyal once they have made up their mind. The people who were talking about Rudy weren't really advocating him seriously, it was their way of casting about for the opinion of others.
Putting some commercials on the air two weeks before the primary is WAAAAY too late. They need that stuff on here now. Just once or twice a week to get people talking. When politicians spam the TV every five minutes with endless repetitive commercials, it just pisses people off.
Most candidates tend to not think of us until its time for our primary, a few months from now.
And that is just far too late
Watch this:
http://www.justin.tv/ronpaultv/65391/Ron_Paul_Live_From_U_of_M_in_Minnesota_Mo
I see some fire in his words now.
"Maybe when this National ID card comes online in May, our REVOLUTION will get some REAL momentum!"
That speaks to me.
http://www.justin.tv/ronpaultv/65391/Ron_Paul_Live_From_U_of_M_in_Minnesota_Mo
I see some fire in his words now.
"Maybe when this National ID card comes online in May, our REVOLUTION will get some REAL momentum!"
That speaks to me.
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OP is a noob lol. We're here to talk about super tuesday not write bat-shit insane letters that no one really cares about.
I'm glad to know that your opinion weighs so much more than mine. Now I can sleep peacefully knowing that your strategy will win and the world will be a better place.
Oops, no wait a minute. We're losing. I take it back, you still suck.
Its not "bat-shit insane" to take a honest appraisal of what the general public consists of and try to figure a way to deliver OUR message in a package that they will be enticed to receive.
It IS bat-shit insane to expect to win simply because one is "correct". If being right and just won elections, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in because righteous and just statesmen would be in charge, instead of the crooks we have in there now.
If you wanna win something that is basically a super-complicated popularity contest, you can't continue acting like the elitist prick that you are currently being.
I wish the world DID work in such a way that the best idea always won out. But it doesn't. So when you get tired of playing Chutes and Ladders in fantasyland, and you actually want to WIN an election, that same mob mentalitly will still be sitting out there slavering and drooling over its American Idol and General Hospital, waiting for you to show it something shiny.
Until then, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I think it is high time to get angry
It is time to show dedication for the cause. I know, look at me talking from across the Atlantic. I wish i could do more than hacking these words onto my keyboard. Over here, people are totally complacant. They did NEVER smell REAL freedom. Oh wait, they did. Between 1945 and around 1965. But it came and went and the people were like "Huh? What was that?". Government was small back then (well, i'd better say flat, bombs can be really unhealthy for government) They now call it "the german wonder", and noone has any clue, why post-war Germanys economy went into overdrive... For the Japanese it was the same. Now we are back to the "Where the hell is the toilet paper?", "Government didn't provide any this month" mode.
But for the americans, the tradition of liberty is long and has deep roots. And you have now around 5% of the population wide awake and conscious about the problem, and they are mad as hell. The other 95% don't see a revolution, they only see a candidate daring to use the word "revolution" for his campaign. They don't see the resolve. But Ron Paul isn't the man to become angry, he is the man to rally people.
I think it is time for massive civil disobediance, it's time to show the rest of the american people that the revolution means business. And i think it's also high time to rally the people of other countries. This isn't only an american problem, big government is a threat to every country, we know this now, more than ever. The socialists thought internationally, why not the libertarians?
I hate to say this, but the only means to change things is to start hurting. Look into history, there never were other effective means. Even Ghandi or M. L. King DID hurt. It was a kind of peaceful pain because it was the economic club they used, but it still created a lot of headache. People change their ways only if the alternative is painful, ESPECIALLY those with their butts well placed on comfy chairs.
You have to have the numbers to make a difference, and in America, you have those numbers now. Even 1% of the population can cause mayhem just by stopping playing along. Over here, people are unhappy, mental depression is rampant and nobody trusts the politicians anymore. But the people in Germany, and i dare say in almost all of Europe, have NO idea what is happening to them, so there is no movement. I pray for a wake-up call.
Even a small number of dedicated people can have an huge impact simply by stopping complying. The media calls Ron Paul crasy? Show them some REAL crasy. They want you to use Dollars? Use Swiss money. Or gold. Or cigarettes, like in post war europe. I'd love to see that. Trade is taxed? Create black markets. I always prefer legal means to protest against injustice, but do we have to wait until every way to protest has become illegal?
Today, the fight takes place on the internet. And we are WINNING this fight. Ron Paul fought for many many years, but suddenly, there was this information network, which got organized and when the first libertarian presidential candidate came along, WHAM, huge impact! Coincidence? Hell no. Use the recources. Confront people with the information here, especially those not using the internet to inform themselves. There are TONS of videos on youtube alone which prove Ron Pauls statements. And there are TONS of videos which can make people really really angry. People will not listen when you tell them the dollar is crashing and government is rampant, they don't care. Show them the results of a crashing dollar and an all mighty government (like those cops abusing their power to strip search a woman who called them for help in the first place), and they will start caring.
Some pissed off german
It is time to show dedication for the cause. I know, look at me talking from across the Atlantic. I wish i could do more than hacking these words onto my keyboard. Over here, people are totally complacant. They did NEVER smell REAL freedom. Oh wait, they did. Between 1945 and around 1965. But it came and went and the people were like "Huh? What was that?". Government was small back then (well, i'd better say flat, bombs can be really unhealthy for government) They now call it "the german wonder", and noone has any clue, why post-war Germanys economy went into overdrive... For the Japanese it was the same. Now we are back to the "Where the hell is the toilet paper?", "Government didn't provide any this month" mode.
But for the americans, the tradition of liberty is long and has deep roots. And you have now around 5% of the population wide awake and conscious about the problem, and they are mad as hell. The other 95% don't see a revolution, they only see a candidate daring to use the word "revolution" for his campaign. They don't see the resolve. But Ron Paul isn't the man to become angry, he is the man to rally people.
I think it is time for massive civil disobediance, it's time to show the rest of the american people that the revolution means business. And i think it's also high time to rally the people of other countries. This isn't only an american problem, big government is a threat to every country, we know this now, more than ever. The socialists thought internationally, why not the libertarians?
I hate to say this, but the only means to change things is to start hurting. Look into history, there never were other effective means. Even Ghandi or M. L. King DID hurt. It was a kind of peaceful pain because it was the economic club they used, but it still created a lot of headache. People change their ways only if the alternative is painful, ESPECIALLY those with their butts well placed on comfy chairs.
You have to have the numbers to make a difference, and in America, you have those numbers now. Even 1% of the population can cause mayhem just by stopping playing along. Over here, people are unhappy, mental depression is rampant and nobody trusts the politicians anymore. But the people in Germany, and i dare say in almost all of Europe, have NO idea what is happening to them, so there is no movement. I pray for a wake-up call.
Even a small number of dedicated people can have an huge impact simply by stopping complying. The media calls Ron Paul crasy? Show them some REAL crasy. They want you to use Dollars? Use Swiss money. Or gold. Or cigarettes, like in post war europe. I'd love to see that. Trade is taxed? Create black markets. I always prefer legal means to protest against injustice, but do we have to wait until every way to protest has become illegal?
Today, the fight takes place on the internet. And we are WINNING this fight. Ron Paul fought for many many years, but suddenly, there was this information network, which got organized and when the first libertarian presidential candidate came along, WHAM, huge impact! Coincidence? Hell no. Use the recources. Confront people with the information here, especially those not using the internet to inform themselves. There are TONS of videos on youtube alone which prove Ron Pauls statements. And there are TONS of videos which can make people really really angry. People will not listen when you tell them the dollar is crashing and government is rampant, they don't care. Show them the results of a crashing dollar and an all mighty government (like those cops abusing their power to strip search a woman who called them for help in the first place), and they will start caring.
Some pissed off german
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Get angry? Why, this Nation has the government they voted for! That is very Republican...
It's time to get involved. The only thing getting angry has done is alienate the mainstream. How about you guys that are so "angry" get a paper bag, go into your basement, scream/yell/cry into the bag. Tie the bag closed, dig a whole, and bury it.
Then come back upstairs and get involved. Canvass for Ron Paul, canvass for your local Liberty Candidates, Serve as Election Judges, Go to GOP meetings, etc...
It's time to get involved. The only thing getting angry has done is alienate the mainstream. How about you guys that are so "angry" get a paper bag, go into your basement, scream/yell/cry into the bag. Tie the bag closed, dig a whole, and bury it.
Then come back upstairs and get involved. Canvass for Ron Paul, canvass for your local Liberty Candidates, Serve as Election Judges, Go to GOP meetings, etc...
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Very nice post Kaneda.
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There is nothing negative about his letter and we all new Ron Paul was 72 when this race started. Age has nothing to do with it. Ronald Reagan was the same age when he ran for president. And like him or not, Reagan will always be remembered for standing up for himself and saying "I paid for that microphone". In the OP's letter I hear respect. Urgency yes, but laced with deep respect. It's like a trainer giving a fighter a pep talk.
Frankly I wish Ron Paul had LONG AGO started throwing some more serious punches. It's not enough to talk about "blowback". He should have pointed out that first responders are mad as hell at Rudy Giuliani for not providing proper radios before 9/11 and proper breathing equipment post 9/11. He should have made that into a TV commercial. He should have pointed out just how BADLY things are going in Afghanistan while everyone is trying to crow about the "surge". He should have made a commercial out of the national intelligence estimate that Al Qaeda has regrouped in Pakistan and is now stronger than ever. And in that commercial he should have talked about his "Letters of Marquee and Reprisal" proposal and how it's the only new plan put forward to actually get Al Qaeda rather than simply trying to shore up a war in Iraq that has NOTHING to do with 9/11. That should have at LEAST been put into a slim jim. If he gets another shot at a debate he MUST take the fight to the enemy about the war on terror. Quit trying to win Tancredo's < 2% vote on the immigration issue. A January 2008 poll showed that 32% of republicans want out of Iraq within a year. So why in the HELL are we not polling 32% nationally?
Regards,
John M. Drake
Thank you,
I'm glad to see someone understood what I truly meant. I meant NO disrespect to Dr. Paul at all. There's not many people on the planet I feel that I'd take a bullet for, but he is a definite.
You wanna really get people's attention? You want to use the media instead of being used BY the media? How bout this for headlines: Ron Paul Supporters arrested for hitting Donald Rumsfeld in the face with a Lemon Meringue Pie!
Start shooting Bill Clinton with super soakers full of Jergen's Lotion whenever you see him. Remind him of why we do not take him seriously. Ladies, start wearing blue dresses with white stains to every speaking engagement the man goes to.
Running around trying to play the game better than the other guy DOES NOT WORK when the entire game as been warped against you.
Our forefathers dumped a shitload in of tea in the boston harbor to show their position. We just throw money around in typical modern American fashion. Surely our money will get the job done.
No.
From time to time the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
What will get the job done is causing a ruckus, a few people getting shot and martial law being declared over a free speech issue.
That has a better chance of waking the public up to how many rights we have lost than your plan of going door to door and pestering people who would rather be watching Oprah.
You wanna make phone calls and put signs in your yard. You go ahead. The American brain is trained to filter out unwanted advertisement from the age of 5. Good luck.
You think TV time will really help? There's always public access, if you think you can get people to watch. You have a lot to compete with.
Don't air during American Idol, or WWE.
Face it folks, we Americans are fat, lazy, and spoiled. We are too good to do hard manual labor unless we either get paid tons of money, we have a union, and benefits, or we don't have any other choice. Thats why the jobs are going elsewhere. We're too good for them.
They are beneath us. What we call a minimum wage, others would call a fortune.
We are pussywhipped whiney babies, and we are finally getting what is coming to us because we are too busy pounding junk food and watching the idiot box to realize our country and our future is being stolen.
One thing is for damn sure, it will get worse before it gets better.
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Yeah, anything that the FCC allows won't wake people. Same thing applies to all westernized countries.
Again, same in Europe. This is how people get racist. And it is a typical democratic problem. The people voted themselves into this. It is comfy in the short run, but in the long run... outch.
Yes..there are things. Do you think it is right that the Federal government tells teachers what they can teach your children?? Maybe in a communist country it could be, but not in America..we need to get RID of the dept of education! More emotion along with the facts. He needs to start "swaying" people.
Can't scream/yell/cry right now. I've got strep throat.
I am very glad that you are out there doing what you do. I would feel very proud to be in your shoes as a pledged delegate. I hope we end up with a whole lot more pledged delegates. You rule, bring your buddies.
That being said, you do the revolution your way, and I'll do it mine. I know the area I live in a whole lot better than you, Its rife with old-boy politicians and a church on every other corner.
I really hope and pray that we can win your way. And yes, I do plan on getting involved locally. What form that takes I'm not sure yet.
Could be I join the GOP... Could be I create an underground newspaper.
Here's a thought, how about you respect the idea of personal freedom and stop telling me whether I should or shouldn't be pissed off.
That would be just great. K? Thanks.
A friend of mine said something yesterday that struck me pretty hard.
Keep in mind that I personally LIKE Ron Paul, and I would be nothing short of ecstatic if he won.
He said, "If they just got a charismatic actor to play the part of Ron Paul in this election, he would've won it hands down. His ideas are great, but he just doesn't sway the crowds like he should."
This was from a die-hard republican who is doesn't want to vote for McCain because he is to liberal, but feels compelled to vote against the healthcare plans the democrats are advocating.
Just food for thought.
And I am still meeting people from day to day who don't even know who Ron Paul is.
Of course, I tell them. What they do after that, I couldn't tell you.
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I have been thinking about this. I've come to have the opinion that my friend may have been right. Most Ron Paul supporters are the kind of people who have the ability to get excited by an idea. We listen to what Dr. Paul says, and it strikes true within us. I know I am like that, I can get charged by a good idea like that. I can also get pissed off over a matter or principle for an indefinite amount of time.
Most people aren't like that. Most people get excited by a good story, or by a passionate speaker. Most people don't have a good enough grasp on economics and the world at large to fully understand Ron Paul's ideas.
How do we get his message to THOSE kind of people?
Keep in mind that I personally LIKE Ron Paul, and I would be nothing short of ecstatic if he won.
He said, "If they just got a charismatic actor to play the part of Ron Paul in this election, he would've won it hands down. His ideas are great, but he just doesn't sway the crowds like he should."
This was from a die-hard republican who is doesn't want to vote for McCain because he is to liberal, but feels compelled to vote against the healthcare plans the democrats are advocating.
Just food for thought.
And I am still meeting people from day to day who don't even know who Ron Paul is.
Of course, I tell them. What they do after that, I couldn't tell you.
EDIT:
I have been thinking about this. I've come to have the opinion that my friend may have been right. Most Ron Paul supporters are the kind of people who have the ability to get excited by an idea. We listen to what Dr. Paul says, and it strikes true within us. I know I am like that, I can get charged by a good idea like that. I can also get pissed off over a matter or principle for an indefinite amount of time.
Most people aren't like that. Most people get excited by a good story, or by a passionate speaker. Most people don't have a good enough grasp on economics and the world at large to fully understand Ron Paul's ideas.
How do we get his message to THOSE kind of people?
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