OP reads thinkprogress and doesn't think critically (regarding supposed SS 'hypocrisy')

sailingaway said:
not when you calculate in the lost purchasing power of the money by the time you get it back. The people who argue that are just trying to get their hands on more money for their own programs imho.
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Once again, can you actually cite any evidence for your assertion?
 
erowe1 said:
SS isn't paying anyone back anything. When they had their money taken from them, it wasn't for their own future SS, it was to pay people who were collecting SS at that time, in exchange for the promise from the government that people today would be similarly robbed so that the ones who got robbed in the past could get paid today. Eventually, someone's gonna get robbed and not be able to get paid by going on to rob the next generation, and the sooner that happens the better.
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That's not true, erowe. When it started, there was a SS Trust Fund. But, it was raided some time ago, the money moved into the general fund and spent and IOUs left in its place. I do agree though, that all the extras they added on should be removed. It's way past ridiculous and returns way more than they paid in. I also agree that the whole program should be phased out eventually. It should never have been started. But, it cannot be stopped immediately. Too many people paid in their money and that is what they are living on in their old age.

ETA: That said, paying back bonds owned by China or your mother is also redistribution. Those debts should be repudiated. Today's tax payers have no obligation whatsoever to make good on the promises the government made on their behalf.
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angelatc said:
I disagree with Rand, on several things, this being one of them.
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I thought it was a good argument. That said, Rand's mentor, Isabel Paterson, never took SS. Lane either.

She refused Social Security, returning her card in an envelope marked “Social Security Swindle.”
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Stephens notes that the other two founding broads of libertarianism – Rose Wilder Lane and Isabel Paterson – went to considerable lengths to avoid taking charity from Uncle Sam. (It’s harder to turn down Social Security than you think.) I’d be happy if this dustup resulted in a boost for either of those two over Rand
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Lucille said:
I thought it was a good argument. That said, Rand's mentor, Isabel Paterson, never took SS. Lane either.
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Oh sure - I won't say that there's not a point to be made for that. But I don't think it's a point that leads to salvation, only a moral excuse. It's not far from the liberals who believe in their soul that taking from the rich and giving to the poor is justified.
 
angelatc said:
Once again, can you actually cite any evidence for your assertion?
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It is my conclusion developed over time, watching the debate, no, I don't have the evidence I looked at marshalled for argument and you can freely discount it, but I am convinced that is the case, for my own purposes.
 
Why do you guys insist on treating this troll seriously?

1. He's mentally ill and unable to grasp the obvious logic.
2. He's just looking for attention.

Make fun of him if you want, but entertaining him like this is just plain odd to me.
 
alucard13mmfmj said:
SS is a scam.. he paid into it from his paycheck. in fact, he loses money. 20 dollars back then is not 20 dollars now because of inflation.
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Go back to diablo 3 you pot head this guy only supports paul cuz of weed an has from cali an plays d3 all day an night

seriously u aren't true paul supporter all u care about is weed
 
angelatc said:
Oh sure - I won't say that there's not a point to be made for that. But I don't think it's a point that leads to salvation, only a moral excuse. It's not far from the liberals who believe in their soul that taking from the rich and giving to the poor is justified.
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I think that is wrong. I think those who NEVER paid in to a program billed, when voted for, as paying for itself as social insurance, are not in the same place as social security beneficiaries. I understand you disagree, but I do in fact see a difference between social security and outright welfare, and, for that matter, between unemployment insurance (also paid in for) and welfare. I think paid in programs are different. Maybe they should not have been created, but that is different.
 
ProtossX said:
Go back to diablo 3 you pot head this guy only supports paul cuz of weed an has from cali an plays d3 all day an night

seriously u aren't true paul supporter all u care about is weed
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do you actively want to be banned?
 
excuse me sir how am i mentally ill because i just posted this on huff PO Paul is a Fraud and guess what i got 11 likes 0 dislikes and guess waht else 3 people favorited me added me as a friend

i guess im just retarded cuz i am very likeable

fyi HUFF Po is the biggest news site online its basically a newspaper online its got people from everywhere cons libs indepedents an they all liked my comment so i dunno what to tell you
 
If only the poor take their SS it becomes more of a welfare program. Then I could see where liberty minded people would have even more of a problem.
 
ProtossX said:
excuse me sir how am i mentally ill because i just posted this on huff PO Paul is a Fraud and guess what i got 11 likes 0 dislikes and guess waht else 3 people favorited me added me as a friend

i guess im just retarded cuz i am very likeable

fyi HUFF Po is the biggest news site online its basically a newspaper online its got people from everywhere cons libs indepedents an they all liked my comment so i dunno what to tell you
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Huff Po readers typically have a specific political bent. Not ours.
 
ProtossX said:
well which way does huff post lean than i see ppl from all types of people on there
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The commenters tend to be less critically thinking examples from the establishment left. Not all of them, but the general mass.

More critically thinking left can be found at firedoglake, although we disagree with them a lot too. At least you can have a decent argument with them.
 
Me no speal gud then most uther pplz! Ron pol iz a foney!! I red huffpo and dey lik me so thare. Dey r lik a magazeen but on the interwebz.
 
so you don't ever go huff post?

they have great articles they have great pictures and stories

there news is way more updated than other sites and fast

i don't understand whats wrong with it? its not a magazine it links actually quotes and videos of what there talking about nothing is doctored or edited its just in ur face news
 
editing/deleting/censoring peoples posts because you disagree = not cool

We can think for ourselves, moderators. Don't need you to tell us what is and isn't legitimate criticism of RP.

Is this Thought Police whats to be expected if Libertarians take over?
 
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