Only President Trump could get the Canadians to vote for an exit to the USMCA, and he did it brilliantly

[Invisible Man]

No I dont support you selling our country's independence to China.

I know its profitable to sell our country's independence to China but its NOT FOR SALE.

There you go with your lies again.

What you support has nothing to do with any prospect of my selling your country's independence to China. If I choose to buy imports from China that doesn't force you to as well. You just want to interfere with what I do, which is none of your business.

You want to stay independent from China. Fine. That's your choice as an individual. By the same token, I as a sovereign individual have the same right to stay independent from you. You have no more of a right to force me into a union with you, where you arrogate to yourself the right to impose your will on me concerning choices of mine that are none of your business by threats of violence, than China has such a right to force you into a union with it.

 

[nikcers]

There you go with your lies again.

What you support has nothing to do with any prospect of my selling your country's independence to China. If I choose to buy imports from China that doesn't force you to as well. You just want to interfere with what I do, which is none of your business.

You want to stay independent from China. Fine. That's your choice as an individual. By the same token, I as a sovereign individual have the same right to stay independent from you. You have no more of a right to force me into a union with you, where you arrogate to yourself the right to impose your will on me concerning choices of mine that are none of your business by threats of violence, than China has such a right to force you into a union with it.

If you milk the cow you have to feed it.

You cannot sell the cow for some magic beans that's treasonous.

You aren't a sovereign individual as a United States citizen. In our system we are a people. Thats why it says "we the people" in our constitution.

 

[Invisible Man]

If you milk the cow you have to feed it.

You cannot sell the cow for some magic beans that's treasonous.

You aren't a sovereign individual as a United States citizen. In our system we are a people. Thats why it says "we the people" in our constitution.

There's nothing treasonous about me entering into a voluntary agreement with someone else to buy something from them that does no harm to anyone.

And I never signed the contract that you're referring to. The "we the people" part of it is fraudulent.

 

[nikcers]

There's nothing treasonous about me entering into a voluntary agreement with someone else to buy something from them that does no harm to anyone.

And I never signed the contract that you're referring to. The "we the people" part of it is fraudulent.

You might not be a believer in laws and sovereignty but we have a rule of law and thats the law of the land.

You can believe in magic beans if you want but that's just magical thinking.

 

[Invisible Man]

You might not be a believer in laws and sovereignty

I am. It's you who are not.

 

[nikcers]

I am. It's you who are not.

We the people.

We trade as a people with other nations. Thats how trade works.

You think you're trading directly with China and getting some sort of "magical" good deal you're not.

The only reason there is any transaction at all with a foreign nation is because of the economic system that is objectively facilitating that transaction.

You arent trading 20 chickens for a toaster made in China and it didn't magically teleport to your door.

There is an economic machine that you are milking to get that toaster.

 

[Invisible Man]

We the people.

We trade as a people with other nations. Thats how trade works.

No, that is not how trade works. "We the people" don't act as some kind of a corporate entity engaging in trade with other whole countries as corporate entities. We as individuals engage in trade with other individuals, sometimes those individuals live in this country. Sometimes they live in others.

 

[nikcers]

No, that is not how trade works. "We the people" don't act as some kind of a corporate entity engaging in trade with other whole countries as corporate entities. We as individuals engage in trade with other individuals, sometimes those individuals live in this country. Sometimes they live in others.

That's exactly how trade works.

There is no trade when there is no balance of power.

That means that if you hold a gun and I hold a gun we can talk about trade.

But if I hold a gun and you come empty handed then its not a trade I can just take everything you own and rape your wife and kids and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it because nature isnt fair.

Our government is our gun. If you don't feed our government there is no trade with groups of billions of people. The bigger group of people will just eat you. Thats just nature.

 

[acptulsa]

That means that if you hold a gun and I hold a gun we can talk about trade.

It always comes down to guns with you. A regular Doc Holliday.

News flash: Bots aren't equipped to handle guns.

 

[Invisible Man]

That's exactly how trade works.

No it isn't.

 

[nikcers]

No it isn't.

Thats EXACTLY how it worked for Tibet after World War 2.

The bigger group of people raped Tibet.

Thats how it worked for Hong Kong in 2020.

Hong Kong didnt have a gun.

 

[Invisible Man]

Our government is our gun.

And another thing. "Our government" isn't "our gun."

The regime in DC is a gun pointing at me. It's not a gun that I hold pointing at someone else.

 

[nikcers]

And another thing. "Our government" isn't "our gun."

The regime in DC is a gun pointing at me. It's not a gun that I hold pointing at someone else.

Of course its our gun.

We have a civilian ran military in our country.

We have the biggest gun in the whole world and its our president who we elect who commands it.

We have security independence that means we don't rely on another country for security.

We make all of our own guns through our private industry.

We have a second amendment the regime in DC doesn't run bartertown.

 

[Occam's Banana]

There's nothing treasonous about me entering into a voluntary agreement with someone else to buy something from them that does no harm to anyone.

And I never signed the contract that you're referring to. The "we the people" part of it is fraudulent.

"There's nothing treasonous about [...]"

Or even if there is ...

 

[Occam's Banana]

That means that if you hold a gun and I hold a gun we can talk about trade.

It always comes down to guns with you. A regular Doc Holliday.

I'm sure it will come as a surprise to no one at all that this guy is a gun-grabber.

 

[nikcers]

I'm sure it will come as a surprise to no one at all that this guy is a gun-grabber.

Only if that gun is shooting at me.

I'll probably do more than grab.

I don't let anyone take whats mine.

 

[Invisible Man]

Of course its our gun.

We have a civilian ran military in our country.

We have the biggest gun in the whole world and its our president who we elect who commands it.

We have security independence that means we don't rely on another country for security.

We make all of our own guns through our private industry.

We have a second amendment the regime in DC doesn't run bartertown.

Yes. But I'm not one of the civilians running that military. I'm one of the civilians being forced by threats of violence to pay for that military so that it can serve other people's interests. And if I'm unlucky enough, I may be one of the civilians who gets killed in a terrorist attack as blowback for the things that military does in my name, even though without my approval or consent. I may even be one of the people that military is ordered to kill one day. But I am not one of the people whose interests are being considered when the civilian leadership of that military decide what they want to do with it.

The civilian politicians who run that military are the same ones who gather to vote on hundreds of bills per year that increasingly make me less and less free, in pursuit of the interests of various elites and interest groups. Are you really either naive enough to believe, or dishonest enough to assert even though knowing better, that when it comes to votes concerning the deployment of the military these same politicians suddenly care about my freedom, and not the interests of elites and interest groups.

I am not more free thanks to that military than I would be without it. In fact, every time that military is deployed, I am made less free as a result. The examples of losses of freedom the American people have suffered in every war, declared and undeclared, are manifold.

 

[nikcers]

Yes. But I'm not one of the civilians running that military. I'm one of the civilians being forced by threats of violence to pay for that military so that it can serve other people's interests. And if I'm unlucky enough, I may be one of the civilians who gets killed in a terrorist attack as blowback for the things that military does in my name, even though without my approval or consent. But I am not one of the people whose interests are being considered when the civilian leadership of that military decide what they want to do with it.

The civilian politicians who run that military are the same ones who gather to vote on hundreds of bills per year that increasingly make me less and less free, in pursuit of the interests of various elites and interest groups. Are you really either naive enough to believe, or dishonest enough to assert even though knowing better, that when it comes to votes concerning the deployment of the military these same politicians suddenly care about my freedom, and not the interests of elites and interest groups.

I am not more free thanks to that military than I would be without it. In fact, every time that military is deployed, I am made less free as a result. The examples of losses of freedom the American people have suffered in every war, declared and undeclared, are manifold.

Nobody is forcing you to live in this country and have citizenship.

So your whole premise is based on an imaginary concept.

If you don't want to have allegiance to our country then you don't have to.

You can leave the country and create your own government or you can immigrate to another country that is ruled by other people.

If "we" really dont like our government "we" can change it. We change our governmrnt together through elections.

You don't have to be part of "we" if you want to be "they"

You dont get to be "they" and get all of the benefits of being "we".

 

[CCTelander]

"There's nothing treasonous about [...]"

Or even if there is ...

.

Even the concept of “treason” has no place in a free country.

My loyalty isn’t to a government, or to dirt, it’s to people, and even then ONLY to people who respect my liberty. Anyone or anything else can fuck off.

I owe them no allegiance whatsoever, and have no intention if showing them any.

 

[acptulsa]

If "we" really dont like our government "we" can change it.

So you're advocating for revolution?