One reason to vote for Bernie Sanders....

You guys are too hung up on the word "socialist". People making more than $250,000 year will see their taxes go up if congress supports him. Congress raise taxes on themselves and their buddies? :rolleyes:

They would just write in a legal exemption for themselves and their buddies. Where ya been?
 
I prefer Trump over Sanders but definitely want Sanders to win the Dem nomination so there is no chance we get Hillary. Trust Trump more on foreign policy and immigration.
 
Uh, major history fail.

No.

Trump is an impulsive asshole. He could have a hissy fit and start WW3. He could go on a rant on twitter insult the wrong country or group and get people killed. Is this really the kind of person you want with the nuke codes and the world's largest military? With executive power, he could really do it.

Sanders on the other hand wants to enact socialist policy. He can't do that as potus, he would never get it past congress. He'd be fairly benign as potus.
 
If I was holding a match after dousing all of D.C. with gasoline, I'd then vote for Bernie and watch it all BERN.
A quick death over a long torturous death.
 
I couldn't vote for any of the buggars in the two majors right now, but I do have an interesting observation. When you have a Nationalist leading the Republican field and a Socialist (almost) leading the Democratic field, how long can it really be before someone pops up with "National Socialism" and grabs 80 some odd percent of the vote?
 
Yep, and I have always said that I preferred fascism to socialism.

I really have ZERO preference.

fascism is to anarcho capitalism

as

socialism is to anarcho syndicalism

they are both EQUALLY distant from free markets, just in opposite directions.




I prefer free markets to state controlled markets. Fascism and socialism are equally antiethical to liberty; none is the nicer.

I have no preference as to whether the market actors are worker unions or capital hierarchies.

The role of "The People" should ONLY be to keep unions and capital from engaging in theft or violence with one another.
 
I really have ZERO preference.

fascism is to anarcho capitalism

as

socialism is to anarcho syndicalism

they are both EQUALLY distant from free markets, just in opposite directions.




I prefer free markets to state controlled markets. Fascism and socialism are equally antiethical to liberty; none is the nicer.

I have no preference as to whether the market actors are worker unions or capital hierarchies.

The role of "The People" should ONLY be to keep unions and capital from engaging in theft or violence with one another.

People here are talking about foreign policy, you can't support major warring while claiming to be in favor of small government.
 
Since no one favors military coup. We have 2 options. We can pick someone that will only make us unhappy or we can pick someone that will make everyone unhappy. Trump and Bernie would make pretty much everyone unhappy.
 
There are literally no good choices. I keep trying to envision a scenario where there is somebody who could get nominated/elected which would cause the political re-alignment we have been hoping for, but I just don't see it. Maybe if Cruz wins the nomination and then loses to Hillary, then the argument could be made that the GOP has tried both moderates and traditional "conservatives" and neither have worked out, so it's time to give the liberty wing a chance. Problem is Cruz is perceived by some as being in the liberty wing himself...
 
Last edited:
If Trump gets elected, and is as bad as predicted around here, why couldn't our movement run a candidate against the GOP incumbent in 2020? RAND wouldn't, based on what he's said, but what's to stop us from getting behind a new person? With Trump in the White House, his disruption of the elite kingmaker system might continue to suspend the establishment from controlling the nomination in 2020, giving us an opening to run a pro-liberty guy one-on-one against the Donald. That unique scenario could be enough to give us victory.
 
Last edited:
There are literally no good choices. I keep trying to envision a scenario where there is somebody who could get nominated/elected which would cause the political re-alignment we have been hoping for, but I just don't see it. Maybe if Cruz wins the nomination and then loses to Hillary, then the argument could be made that the GOP has tried both moderates and traditional "conservatives" and neither have worked out, so it's time to give the liberty wing a chance. Problem is Cruz is perceived by some as being in the liberty wing himself...

Yup, and even worse, Rubio or even Jeb might run AGAIN in 2020, on a "we've tried crazy, let's get back to serious" narrative that uses the Cruz and Trump campaigns to paint the liberty and anti-establishment options as "already tried" and failed. Rules may be created by the MSM and party leadership that exclude single digit people from the debates and poll tracking from the outset, to position the understanding of "serious contender" to a "moderates only" closed shop.
 
Yeah I just like to add one thing;

A socialist president doesn't mean socialist policies will be passed in congress.

Actually it does. Most of the "faces" in Congress are closet socialist globalists. They will prod (or threaten or pay off) the small Congresspeople on Capitol Hill to vote for socialist legislation.
 
I've made the decision to vote for Sanders, myself. Painful choice, but Sanders is hated on the democratic side and the republican side. As someone else mentioned, with Sanders in office we will have nothing but gridlock. He will be a one term President due to his age, that will get absolutely nothing done, giving us a shot to get a liberty candidate in for 2020. There will be no 2020 if Hillary gets in, and the republicans will have us at war within six months.
 
Missing the Point

Yeah I just like to add one thing;

A socialist president doesn't mean socialist policies will be passed in congress.

We already have socialist policies being passed in Congress. Just look at our tax code, for instance.
 
I've made the decision to vote for Sanders, myself. Painful choice, but Sanders is hated on the democratic side and the republican side. As someone else mentioned, with Sanders in office we will have nothing but gridlock. He will be a one term President due to his age, that will get absolutely nothing done, giving us a shot to get a liberty candidate in for 2020. There will be no 2020 if Hillary gets in, and the republicans will have us at war within six months.

I think Sanders has been selected so whether you vote for him or not is irrelevant, however, helping the public perception that he will be the legitimate "election winner" means you have become a useful tool.

At UN Summit, World Rulers Adopt Agenda for Global Socialism 9-28-15
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...orld-rulers-adopt-agenda-for-global-socialism

A far-reaching United Nations plot to re-engineer civilization and impose global socialism on humanity, variously dubbed “Agenda 2030” and the “Sustainable Development Agenda,” was ushered in on Friday with a “thunderous standing ovation,” the UN Department of Public Information reported. Every one of the 193 UN member governments on the planet — from communist and Islamist dictatorships to those ruling what remains of the “Free World” — vowed to help impose the UN's controversial goals on their subjects. Indeed, according to the UN and the global agreement itself, not a single human being will be allowed to escape what one prominent internationalist ominously referred to as the next “Great Leap Forward.”

That the UN Agenda 2030's 17 so-called “Sustainable Development Goals” (SDGs) and its accompanying 169 targets are essentially a recipe for global socialism and corporatism is hardly open for dispute, as countless analysts have pointed out in recent weeks.

much more at link...a must read for anyone thinking about supporting Sanders simply as a political maneuver....your political maneuver will backfire badly compared to the result you are expecting

Americans supporting a socialist President? What the fuck happened to this country??
 
Last edited:
"Holding-My-Nose" Socialists

I think Sanders has been selected so whether you vote for him or not is irrelevant, however, helping the public perception that he will be the legitimate "election winner" means you have become a useful tool.

At UN Summit, World Rulers Adopt Agenda for Global Socialism 9-28-15
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...orld-rulers-adopt-agenda-for-global-socialism



Americans supporting a socialist President? What the fuck happened to this country??

What's even worse is that we have, otherwise, liberty advocates suggesting and supporting a socialist President. Pragmatism really blinds some people.
 
Back
Top