One last plea: For the love of God, can we PLEASE secede???

I know, enough talk...

But why, for the love of God, can't we just peacefully go our own way and "divorce" instead gearing up to slaughter each other?
You got me thinking about this, and I have a a better metaphor-emancipation. Child emancipation, that is. This sort of thing is relatively painless. After all, the regime has in many ways become a parent to Boobus Americanus- "educating" him, "protecting" him, etc.
 
Its like this forum is simply my mind posting its thoughts online! I was thinking all day about how I am just so ready to leave the country or something. Maybe get a bunch of people and try buying an island somewhere. lol Just a bad depressed day. Then I come home and all my thoughts are posted in this thread.
 
I know, enough talk...

But why, for the love of God, can't we just peacefully go our own way and "divorce" instead gearing up to slaughter each other?
You can, but you have to strong arm those in your state who have the power to do so. That means being politically involved and having political power yourself. Nothing happens unless it's pushed.
 
You can, but you have to strong arm those in your state who have the power to do so. That means being politically involved and having political power yourself. Nothing happens unless it's pushed.
If you mean playing by the regime's rules in little farcical displays called "elections", not so much. The only way that will get you anywhere is if you have someone on your own team running on every ticket (which is what the regime does). Beating them at their own game is something I don't see you, Tate or anyone outside a few fringe kooks like me talking about. Face it, TPTB will never play fair. If you're going to stoop to playing their pathetic little game, do it right.

The politicians, as a rule, are never going to do what's right and necessary-it's not popular, nor is it in their self-interest. If problems actually got solved, the politicians would have little to no "work" to do and the usual palms would not get greased.
 
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I know, enough talk...

But why, for the love of God, can't we just peacefully go our own way and "divorce" instead gearing up to slaughter each other?

Amen, brother. Amen! Preaching to the choir, I know. :D

But yes, peaceful secession and coexistence would be far preferable to what is likely going to come down the pike. The Arab Spring and the movement for resolution to our problems here in the US are not coincidences. While I have no clue if there really is something like an "shared unconscious", its something that makes sense when you consider it. Things like Social Media have accelerated the process and the more cooperative we are with one another, the better.
 
I would not want to be in the first state to secede. They would get attacked hardcore. It would be a false flag so the US isn't blamed...The aristocrats would fund both sides of the war and the media would portray the US as heroes "saving that seceded nation" from the islamoboogiemen.
 
Have you actually seen a "civilized" divorce? No matter what they say in the beginning, it always gets ugly.

the Czech Republic and Slovakia split easily, and peacefully.

it is possible that St Kitts will break with Nevis, or Trinidad from Tobago. even Scotland from the UK.
 
If you mean playing by the regime's rules in little farcical displays called "elections", not so much. The only way that will get you anywhere is if you have someone on your own team running on every ticket (which is what the regime does). Beating them at their own game is something I don't see you, Tate or anyone outside a few fringe kooks like me talking about. Face it, TPTB will never play fair. If you're going to stoop to playing their pathetic little game, do it right.

The politicians, as a rule, are never going to do what's right and necessary-it's not popular, nor is it in their self-interest. If problems actually got solved, the politicians would have little to no "work" to do and the usual palms would not get greased.
Completely untrue. You don't have to replace them, you just have to bully them into submission, if you threaten their reelection then you can do that. In fact a lot of times it's easier than that, get a few hundred people calling their office, or give them bad press, and they tend to change their tune most of the time.

As an activist you must be able to mobilize people to put pressure on the politicians. Other than writing big checks, that's the only way things change.

See this for a better understanding:
http://training4liberty.org/facl2/info.htm#


and this



 
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You can, but you have to strong arm those in your state who have the power to do so. That means being politically involved and having political power yourself. Nothing happens unless it's pushed.

Oh, come on now. You are suggesting that people actually get up off their asses and do something to change the situation we are in. That'll never happen. It's so much more effective to just bitch about the state of affairs on an internet message board.
 
Oh, come on now. You are suggesting that people actually get up off their asses and do something to change the situation we are in. That'll never happen. It's so much more effective to just bitch about the state of affairs on an internet message board.
Yeah, I think a lot of anarchists are just lazy and/or defeatists. They use their philosophy as an excuse to do nothing.
 
Completely untrue. You don't have to replace them, you just have to bully them into submission, if you threaten their reelection then you can do that. In fact a lot of times it's easier than that, get a few hundred people calling their office, or give them bad press, and they tend to change their tune most of the time.

As an activist you must be able to mobilize people to put pressure on the politicians. Other than writing big checks, that's the only way things change.

See this for a better understanding:
http://training4liberty.org/facl2/info.htm#

This only works for a few issues though. You won't be convincing the US House to decriminalize marijuana in this manner, for example.

It may soon be possible to use this to lobby the Texas Legislature for secession doing this sort of thing. It's unlikely, but within the realm of possibility, especially as the real fiscal cliff gets closer
 
Yeah, I think a lot of anarchists are just lazy and/or defeatists. They use their philosophy as an excuse to do nothing.
:rolleyes: How many people do you know of that have time/money/resources to play political games as much as you do? I don't know any. What anarchist uses philosophy as an "excuse to do nothing"? They typically use it as an "excuse" to educate, write books, do work that produces something of value in the marketplace, etc.
 
Yeah, I think a lot of anarchists are just lazy and/or defeatists. They use their philosophy as an excuse to do nothing.

No, just realist. We've seen Soviet Russia bearing down on Poland, Hungary, Lativia, Lithuania, Georgia, Ukraine.
We see the deaths and the destruction, millions starved, millions murdered, entire cities laid to waste, and being a slave does not seem so bad.
We see the theft of our labor, the propaganda of the state, the theft of our guns.
And we know our future.
 
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