One last plea: For the love of God, can we PLEASE secede???

[Anti Federalist]

I know, enough talk...

But why, for the love of God, can't we just peacefully go our own way and "divorce" instead gearing up to slaughter each other?

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Because we live in the Matrix and all the Agent Smiths out there want us to assimilate or be deleted

 

[phill4paul]

I am with you. A true, honest, gesture of goodwill among men.

600k in a nation of 31 million lost their lives because of similar issues. Now, in a nation 300 million are we willing to lose 6 million? Is 6 million lives worth the cost of "Union?" I would rather no lives be lost and dissolution be implemented. We have come upon the point of no impasse. So either we get to it or we find a way around it. The time for debating is done.

 

[WarAnonymous]

Unfortunately there is no peaceful way... The peaceful revolution has failed. As much as I want to think getting people elected locally and state-wide and even in the US congress, the system is to far gone. There won't be anything left in 2016, and there wont be enough liberty people elected in 2014 to make a difference. Each and every passing bill I just sit and wonder when do people actually say enough is enough? It will only continue to get worse and worse.

Succeeding was the only next peaceful step but it has become apparent that this will not be allowed. We will all go down in the ship together.

Someone close to me recently asked why I am so willing to die for freedom and my only response was... If freedom isn't worth dying for then what is the reason to live? We have been taught all along that we need to die for freedom, unfortunately the freedom we were taught to die for is killing innocent people around the world and say that it makes us free. The morality, the spirituality, and the heart and soul is no longer here.

If the system collapses it will only bring people to beg for government take over, so that they might be able to eat, and take care of there families. All the writing, blogging and complaining will not save this country.

 

[paulbot24]

Have you actually seen a "civilized" divorce? No matter what they say in the beginning, it always gets ugly.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[deadfish]

Go for it man...

 

[TheTexan]

Secession is indeed our last chance at avoiding the needless deaths of enormous amounts of people.

Yes, it is true secession may itself trigger a civil war. But with secession there is at least a chance at peace. The course we're on now, left unchanged, will guarantee bloodshed.

Can we get any input from people involved in their state politics, in the states where secession is at least remotely possible? NH, Wyoming, Texas, etc. What kind of pressure points can we leverage to make it possible? (Debt, 2A, etc?)

If we do try to get a secession effort going, it's very late in the game right now... we should have been at this years ago. We may not even have another round of elections before the shit starts to fly.

 

[TheTexan]

Have you actually seen a "civilized" divorce? No matter what they say in the beginning, it always gets ugly.

There's ugly, and then there's ugly. Divorce avoids the latter.

 

[TheTexan]

Unfortunately there is no peaceful way... The peaceful revolution has failed. As much as I want to think getting people elected locally and state-wide and even in the US congress, the system is to far gone. There won't be anything left in 2016, and there wont be enough liberty people elected in 2014 to make a difference. Each and every passing bill I just sit and wonder when do people actually say enough is enough? It will only continue to get worse and worse.

Succeeding was the only next peaceful step but it has become apparent that this will not be allowed. We will all go down in the ship together.

You are most likely correct. We should plan for the worst, but still try I think.

 

[acptulsa]

Of course we may not. If we secede, we show exactly how much better our liberty works than their micromismanagement. Then everyone we left behind starts clamoring for the same advantages. If not because they want liberty, then because we're having an economic boom to rival the Roaring Twenties and they aren't.

They can't have that.

 

[FrancisMarion]

Please define "We".

 

[phill4paul]

Have you actually seen a "civilized" divorce? No matter what they say in the beginning, it always gets ugly.

Actually, I had one. The ex and I still talk to this day.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Y'all remember not to fire the first shot, okay? Don't want to be blamed for starting civil war 2, ya know. (great shades of Fort Sumpter, and all that)

 

[TheTexan]

Y'all remember not to fire the first shot, okay? Don't want to be blamed for starting civil war 2, ya know. (great shades of Fort Sumpter, and all that)

This.

However, we may not have much choice. They will most likely false flag the first shot. Almost guaranteed.

 

[LibForestPaul]

I know, enough talk...

But why, for the love of God, can't we just peacefully go our own way and "divorce" instead gearing up to slaughter each other?

Why do you believe livestock can leave? Where is the farmer to get milk and eggs from? If he opens the gate for the roughest of bulls to go, what is to stop the other animals from leaving? Do you want the farmer to starve? He does not produce milk, nor eggs, nor foie gra? You are cruel.

 

[PierzStyx]

Unfortunately there is no peaceful way... The peaceful revolution has failed. As much as I want to think getting people elected locally and state-wide and even in the US congress, the system is to far gone. There won't be anything left in 2016, and there wont be enough liberty people elected in 2014 to make a difference. Each and every passing bill I just sit and wonder when do people actually say enough is enough? It will only continue to get worse and worse.

Succeeding was the only next peaceful step but it has become apparent that this will not be allowed. We will all go down in the ship together.

Someone close to me recently asked why I am so willing to die for freedom and my only response was... If freedom isn't worth dying for then what is the reason to live? We have been taught all along that we need to die for freedom, unfortunately the freedom we were taught to die for is killing innocent people around the world and say that it makes us free. The morality, the spirituality, and the heart and soul is no longer here.

If the system collapses it will only bring people to beg for government take over, so that they might be able to eat, and take care of there families. All the writing, blogging and complaining will not save this country.

Peace only fails when you return evil for evil, violence for violence. The minute you refuse to bow you are free, no matter what they may do or say, even if they kill you.

 

[ghengis86]

I've never heard a good answer for why a group of people can't live on their own, on their own land, free from any body telling them how to live...

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I've never heard a good answer for why a group of people can't live on their own, on their own land, free from any body telling them how to live...

Neither have I. People usually tell me I'm naive, utopian, etc when I ask that.

 

[lx43]

I know, enough talk...

But why, for the love of God, can't we just peacefully go our own way and "divorce" instead gearing up to slaughter each other?

I have been writing my Congressmen, state leaders, and local politicians for sometime to just allow me to peacefully opt-out, nullify, or secede from the current system. Mostly I get no response but when I do its reads something like I should feel fortunate to be able to pay taxes and live in this great country.

I wish Rand, Amash, Massie or someone else would just start an opt-out or nullification movement. And even propose legislation in Congress and state capitals.