On reflection, Rand was brilliant last night

[ShaneEnochs]

Rand is allowing himself to be used by the mainstream GOP to secure votes for Romney.

I doubt more than 0.1% of the folks who supported his father will vote for Romney anyway, regardless of what Rand says.

 

[Southerner]

"I doubt more than 0.1% of the folks who supported his father will vote for Romney anyway, regardless of what Rand says."

I think you're wrong. I voted McCain/Palin to keep 0bama out, and if I could do that, I *could* vote for Satorum/Lindsey Graham if that was the real alternative. Fortunately, Romney/Ryan isn't as bad as that, and is MUCH better that more Obamanation.

 

[ctiger2]

I voted McCain/Palin to keep 0bama out, and if I could do that, I *could* vote for Satorum/Lindsey Graham if that was the real alternative.

I see that you are part of the problem.

 

[Matt Collins]

 

[Southerner]

I see that you are part of the problem.

No sonny, I have been where you are now. I know the dangers we face, I know how much we need 537 Ron Pauls in govt too. But when that isn't possible, I don't pick up my toys, throw a hissy fit and go home. I live to fight another day. As much as we all are totally pissed now at the rnc & the romney team, I also know that the media chooses the candidates. They steer the sheeple each and every time. And they always support the most "moderate" (in their eyes) GOP candidate. That's why we got mccain last time, and why we were gonna get huntsman or romney this time. They also always support the most liberal democratic candidate that they believe can win the election. I don't know how old you are, but I was probably voting Libertarian long before you were born. I pretty much quit doing that when the national media quit reporting on just how few votes they got on election night. We HAVE to work within the system, and the system is not going to change from a 2 party system in our lifetimes, it just isn't. We work as hard as we can, and we never give up, we get as many like R&R Paul, Lee, Amash, DeMint, etc elected as we possibly can... But if you think that electing Obama & the democrats in 2012 is better than the GOP alternative, not only for the liberty movement, but for the sake of our nation and economy, I really don't know what I could tell you to convince you otherwise, because we obviously aren't even speaking the same language. jmnsho, S

 

[Southerner]

Great video, thanks Matt!

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

I completely agree.

I've talked to some liberty folks here and most seem to understand why Rand's pragmatic approach is the best way to go about things.

There is a vocal minority who sees Rand as a traitor, but I think the majority understand his approach

 

[doctor jones]

I'm a Rand Fan... I initially wasn't a fan of his speech, not for it's content but because I thought it was a bit boring and felt he could have fired up that RNC crowd a little more but all in all I don't have much business playing armchair QB to the difficult decisions he has to make day in and day out.

 

[economics102]

There is a vocal minority who sees Rand as a traitor, but I think the majority understand his approach

I think the more fair point is, whether you agree with his approach or not, Rand is not a traitor. He's trying to reach out to people that a lot of people in this movement frankly have failed to turn in our direction during the campaign. If he reaches even some of these people, then there is value in what he's doing.

Rand grew up at the feet of his father, he no doubt has tremendous insight and has had decades to consider his father's career. We don't need to second-guess him. A lot of people here are upset that he is not choosing merely to emulate his father. Well, the country needed a Ron Paul. And it still has one. Does it need another Ron Paul? Maybe it needs what Rand Paul is trying to become? We can't know these things.

But calling Rand Paul a traitor is ridiculous. Listen to Doug Wead. To succeed, we need people who are willing to play the game of politics, ugly as it may be. We need ideologues too, for sure. But you can't argue with the facts. We have Rand Paul and Mike Lee in the senate, and we have some other senators who are lean increasingly in our direction, like Tom Coburn, Jim DeMint, etc. And we have Justin Amash, and soon Thomas Massie in the House, and some others who lean in our direction.

Ron Paul rails against the threat posed by incrementalism. Well, we are now posing that threat to the establishment, becausethe most of the people above (perhaps with thexception of Amash, who is closer to a Ron Paul figure) are starting to push us incrementally closer to liberty. We will need many more like them before we have enough power to really turn the ship. But with the exception of Amash, all of the above people got into office by moderating their positions, playing politics, and not dashing for the extremes.

As someone else here said, Rand, far from being a traitor, is actually amazingly talented at this process. He is easily the most talented politician in the liberty movement. And yes, he IS in the liberty movement.

As Doug Wead said in his recent interview, politicking is in fact a talent and a skill. We've learned to hate politicians because they always use their talents for evil. But Rand is using his politicking talents for good. We need to be the dependable base he can count on, not another contingent he has to worry about keeping happy.

 

[anaconda]

No one has mentioned that all of Rand's examples of The American Dream were southeast Asians. I thought this was a savvy and calculated move for a number of reasons. Anybody else think this was more than a coincidence?

 

[doctor jones]

No one has mentioned that all of Rand's examples of The American Dream were southeast Asians. I thought this was a savvy and calculated move for a number of reasons. Anybody else think this was more than a coincidence?

Still trying to figure out why southeast Asian references are significant. Middle East Wars?

 

[HigherVision]

"I doubt more than 0.1% of the folks who supported his father will vote for Romney anyway, regardless of what Rand says."

I think you're wrong. I voted McCain/Palin to keep 0bama out, and if I could do that, I *could* vote for Satorum/Lindsey Graham if that was the real alternative. Fortunately, Romney/Ryan isn't as bad as that, and is MUCH better that more Obamanation.

If you object to war, Mitt Romney is worse than Obama. One of Romney's big criticisms of Obama is that he's too soft on Iran and not doing enough militarily to support Israel. I for one still object to the mass murder of people. Obama's been killing thousands with drones but Romney will definitely amp that up. Who knows, under Mitt we could even see another seminal event that 'changes everything' like 9/11. An event to let Americans see just how serious the alleged threat from Iran really is.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Still trying to figure out why southeast Asian references are significant. Middle East Wars?

We've seen the brutal results of socialism in action in Burma, Cambodia, etc. They kill or imprison their intellectuals in society and that coupled with their Marxist economic policies wreck havoc upon the country.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Still trying to figure out why southeast Asian references are significant. Middle East Wars?

Ultimately this --



Has nothing to do (in scope at least) with any isms.