(on Drudge) Ron Paul: 'Secession is a deeply American principle'...

[tremendoustie]

Well I have to say I strongly disagree with the idea of secession, I think it's the mother of all horrible, terrible, awful ideas. One fact seems to elude all of you talking about secession, and that is, that the federal government would never in a million years allow a peaceful secession.

Why do you assume that?

If people in a state vote and decide to leave, do you really think the feds are going to send in tanks and murder peaceful people, in this modern day of instant communication, where everyone has friends and family everywhere?

I think the PR would be catastrophic, where they to attempt such a thing.

 

[tremendoustie]

The federal government would kill you all without blinking an eye, and most of the people in this country would say YAY, those terrorist sympathizers deserve what they get. And they'll react that way because they've been brainwashed by television to think that way.

I don't think so. Not if you were 100%, completely, transparently peaceful. What's more, if a state were to vote to become independent, there would be lots of people all over the US sympathizing with that view.

The federal government is going to get a lot more broke, and a lot more like the grinch than santa claus, before long. We need to plant these ideas in people's heads now, even if they're not ready for it, so that when the @#$@ hits the fan, more people react in the right kinds of ways.

 

[July]

It seems that at some point one of two things is inevitable. Either there will be actual secession, or there will be further expansion and centralization of government until there is finally a single regime over the whole globe.

The current regime in Washington DC can't go on as it is forever. And if something can't last, then it won't.

I agree. Though I don't think enough Americans are quite ready for the idea of succession yet. The fact that this story about the petitions online is getting some media attention is a small first step, perhaps, in talking about it in theory, and opening up discussion about what rights states do have under the current system.

 

[erowe1]

I agree. Though I don't think enough Americans are quite ready for the idea of succession yet. The fact that this story about the petitions online is getting some media attention is a small first step, perhaps, in talking about it in theory, and opening up discussion about what rights states do have under the current system.

The thing is, at some unpredictable point, things will change one way or the other very rapidly, whether Americans are ready for it or not. People will find themselves supporting things out of desperation that they wouldn't have before.

In the mean time, we need to educate them to try to make it so that those things they throw their support to when that day comes are the right kinds of things.

 

[July]

The thing is, at some unpredictable point, things will change one way or the other very rapidly, whether Americans are ready for it or not. People will find themselves supporting things out of desperation that they wouldn't have before.

In the mean time, we need to educate them to try to make it so that those things they throw their support to when that day comes are the right kinds of things.

I agree on taking opportunities like this to educate, and to keep the education going. At some point when the musical chairs stop, we will be better off.

 

[muzzled dogg]

Wow there are some real statists on this forum

 

[specsaregood]

Wow there are some real statists on this forum

Oh noes! He called out the statists boogeyman, run and hide ya'll.

 

[PattyFromTexas]

"Not if you were 100%, completely, transparently peaceful" I believe this is the only way such an idea could work. I know of many instances where peaceful nonviolent civil disobedience brought about change. I don't think America is ready for this idea though. The average comfort level has not deteriorated enough to budge the average citizen to make an effort towards anything but the nearest snack. Americans are not motivated.

 

[torchbearer]

If someone keeps you from leaving somewhere... against your will. they are guilty of false imprisonment.
its a crime.

 

[tremendoustie]

Wow there are some real statists on this forum

seriously

 

[Vanilluxe]

I have ask this puzzling questions that all pro-seccesionist have trouble answering on other threads-

I have just one question for all the pro-seccessionist .... ready?

What happens if a city, county, indian reservation, or place in a seceding state wants to stay in the Union?

Stumped?

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I have ask this puzzling questions that all pro-seccesionist have trouble answering on other threads-

I have just one question for all the pro-seccessionist .... ready?

What happens if a city, county, indian reservation, or place in a seceding state wants to stay in the Union?

Stumped?

In any secession, there will be some that don't want to, some that do. Did everyone in the southern states want to secede, or did everyone in the colonies want to secede from England?

edit: It's usually to get out from under an oppressive regime, no?

 

[Expatriate]

I have ask this puzzling questions that all pro-seccesionist have trouble answering on other threads-

I have just one question for all the pro-seccessionist .... ready?

What happens if a city, county, indian reservation, or place in a seceding state wants to stay in the Union?

Stumped?

That's why I'd be more in favor of individual secession, although it would be tricky to pull off.

Still though, a state voting to secede democratically and take some dissidents with them seems to me a lesser evil than a country holding onto territories or states that want to leave by force. But I'm generally in favor of anything that decentralizes authority.

 

[Czolgosz]

Your freedom will require blood. Period.

 

[Vanilluxe]

That's why I'd be more in favor of individual secession, although it would be tricky to pull off.

Still though, a state voting to secede democratically and take some dissidents with them seems to me a lesser evil than a country holding onto territories or states that want to leave by force. But I'm generally in favor of anything that decentralizes authority.

Isn't it unconstitutional for a government to deny a U.S. citizen of its right from their country they consider? Isn't the right of the minority going to be violated by the tyrannical majority the same thing we followers of liberty oppose too? Is is not right for Native Americans in their reservations and lands to have the freedom to secede from the seceding state? If a state secedes, would you consider a state joining another country say like Canada or Mexico?

 

[PattyFromTexas]

Your freedom will require blood. Period.

This will not happen, simply because the comfort level has not deteriorated enough to motivate the average citizen.

 

[erowe1]

I have ask this puzzling questions that all pro-seccesionist have trouble answering on other threads-

I have just one question for all the pro-seccessionist .... ready?

What happens if a city, county, indian reservation, or place in a seceding state wants to stay in the Union?

Stumped?

A couple of options. They could try to join the Union as a new state. Or the seceding state, rather than seceding as a state, could just secede from the state, and leave whichever parts want to stay in the Union in place as the state, while they secede to become something else.

 

[erowe1]

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[tremendoustie]

I have ask this puzzling questions that all pro-seccesionist have trouble answering on other threads-

I have just one question for all the pro-seccessionist .... ready?

What happens if a city, county, indian reservation, or place in a seceding state wants to stay in the Union?

Stumped?

They're welcome to continue to obey federal politicians and send them tax money, if they choose.

Ultimately, the right solution is individual liberty. No individual should be compelled against their will submit to any organization wishing to act like they own other people's lives and property. If any individual wishes to, they're certainly welcome to make that choice.

 

[tremendoustie]

Your freedom will require blood. Period.

"Note well: the secession of the Soviet republics did not lead to a bloody civil war. The secession of Slovenia did not lead to a bloody civil war. The secession of Norway from Sweden did not lead to a bloody civil war. There is nothing about secession in and of itself that need involve violence, as long as we are dealing with civilized people who understand that the best way to deal with political downsizing might not be to slaughter the people involved."

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