On Capitalist Jesus. The Evil of Christianity.

[LATruth]

Nope, I went to his myspace, thats him... I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. I stand corrected. He wrote it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

"This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war." -- Ron Paul

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

 

[LATruth]

"This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war." -- Ron Paul

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

I'm glad that quote only applies to the collectivist left. Would really suck to put the state before yourself and your family. And those that put any faith in the state need a check up from the neck up.

 

[PaulaGem]

You can't have been a Christian several years ago. Elsewhere you say you've been selling to "metaphysical" (occult), bookstores for 20 years. That makes this all a long time ago, and you're pretty old - almost cackling age.

Yes, I've been studying the Bible, religion, anthropology and psychology probably longer than you've been alive.

And here is my "Testimony"...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=191133&page=7

 

[PaulaGem]

I Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
"This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war." -- Ron Paul

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

I have to disagree here - I believe that churches in general ( not all of them certainally) condition people to relinquish their moral and Spiritual power to an institution and thereby create willing victims for an abusive political system.

 

[BeFranklin]

Yes, I've been studying the Bible, religion, anthropology and psychology probably longer than you've been alive.

And here is my "Testimony"...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=191133&page=7

Paula - you do understand I class you in the same degree as the person that wrote the original article on this thread - "Lucifer".

 

[TurtleBurger]

Paula - you do understand I class you in the same degree as the person that wrote the original article on this thread - "Lucifer".

A guy of the same name supposedly invented gnosticism:

"In the day you eat of the tree of the knowledge [gnosis] of good and evil, you will be like God"

 

[BeFranklin]

A guy of the same name supposedly invented gnosticism:

"In the day you eat of the tree of the knowledge [gnosis] of good and evil, you will be like God"

Good point

 

[PaulaGem]

A guy of the same name supposedly invented gnosticism:

"In the day you eat of the tree of the knowledge [gnosis] of good and evil, you will be like God"

And aren't we all sons of God according to the Bible?

From my studies Yeshua was a gnostic. His teachings of the Kingdom are gnostic.

 

[BeFranklin]

And aren't we all sons of God according to the Bible?

From my studies Yeshua was a gnostic. His teachings of the Kingdom are gnostic.

Satan tried asking a question instead of making a statement in the wilderness with Jesus. In fact, satan asked a question of eve too.

No, we aren't.

John 8:44-47
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

[Bossobass]

Occultist brought baby Jesus his gifts.
His birth was predicted by astrologist. I guess they are in hell now for their occult beliefs.

This circus is great entertainment. Please tell everyone how it is... a universal god of only one tribe of men.

This is a perfect example of how men can twist the Bible in many directions by taking parts of it out of context to mislead the ignorant masses.

The nativity scene and Christmas are lies:

1) The gift bearers were Magi. The correct meaning is astrologer. Since the Law held the death penalty for any Jew who practiced astrology, what sense would it make that God would lead astrologers to Jesus?

2) There is no mention of how many Magi visited Jesus. There may have been 3 or 33.

3) The Magi came years after Jesus was born. They visited the 'house' where Jesus lived and Mary brought the 'young child' out of the house for the visitors to see.

4) Herod, after "carefully ascertaining the time of the birth" in consultation with these Magi, ordered all male children aged 2 years and younger to be killed.

5) Jesus was not born in December. This has been (and is every year at christmas) discussed in detail by many people over the centuries.

6) Jews didn't celebrate their birthdays. This is a pagan custom. There are only 2 birthday celebrations mentioned in the Bible, those of Pharaoh and Herod, at each of which celebrations a man was beheaded.

Yes, the Romans, in understanding that there is strength in numbers, decided to meld the Pagan festivities of Saturnalia, the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year, after which the days get longer, or... the birth of the SUN... with the Christian belief that salvation is through the birth of the SON.

Yes, they succeeded in using this (and other such devious acts) to control Christianity by changing Magi to Wise Men, and placing them at the scene of Jesus' birth, which date they moved to December 25 to correspond with their pagan festival. The tree with candles, the yule log, the merriment, the exchanging of gifts, etc., were 'Christianized' by organized religion to bring Christians into the fold and under governmental control.

But, this in no way has changed the Bible account or its message.

As far as the universal God of only one tribe of men goes, we are all from one tribe of men, no? Does science disagree with this fact?

As Paul said, the Law was but a shadow of the reality.

Earthly paradise in Eden, perfect pair who chose autonomy/death, The Chosen Ones, 12 tribes, king, high priest, sacrifices for atonement, the temple, the Law, the alien resident, war with pagan enemies, hope of resurrection, etc.

The foretold Messiah arrives, right on schedule. His ministry? To preach the good news of the Kingdom of the Heavens. He is King and High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek. He introduces the thought of a resurrection into this heavenly Kingdom. He provides the needed sacrifice, but once for all time. He speaks of a future war to end all wars with his Father's pagan enemies. He fulfills all requirements for the job and answers all questions correctly. He feeds the hungry, heals the sick and resurrects the dead to show his qualifications.

So, which is it, immortal soul to heaven/hell, or resurrection of the dead?

God told Adam, "In that day, you will positively die. ... for from dust you were made, to dust you will return." Did he lie? Did he really somehow instead mean, "... you're body will die, but your immortal soul will be sent to a place where I'll see to it that you are tortured forever."?

Of course the idea of a universal God of only one tribe of men is absurd. But, not when viewed as it is clearly spelled out. The one tribe of chosen was a shadow of the reality. The Kingdom of God is the main theme of the Bible.

For such a simple concept, it's hard to understand how it's been hidden from most religions over the centuries. They proudly set up their nativity scene in front of their churches every year and participate in pagan rituals that predate Jesus by centuries.

This corruption of the truth, I fully understand and agree that it took place, as well as the why of it. The evidence is everywhere and overwhelming. I only disagree with the notion that the Bible itself was also corrupted to say anything that contradicts what God intended it to say and inspired men to write in it.

Bosso

 

[BeFranklin]

1) The gift bearers were Magi. The correct meaning is astrologer. Since the Law held the death penalty for any Jew who practiced astrology, what sense would it make that God would lead astrologers to Jesus?

The wise men weren't astrologers. Don't know if that is a mistake above.

They were probably people from the east where the Jews had gone into captivity from before. There would be no other reason they'd even know Jesus was about to be born except they had read something from scripture.

 

[fedup100]

My oh my, you first come to this forum and profess to be a Christian and who knew, you are really a communist troll who now puts your agenda front and center.

To say that Jesus would be a communist today is just mind blowing.

"he never referred to himself as the Creator;"

Jesus was GOD on earth and he said "If you have seen me, you have seen the father".

All of his teachings can be summed up in "do not be a lover of THIS world", for it belongs to Satan, for now. To be caught up in it, will be your demise. With that said, the Bible never says that those who believe in GOD are to be poor, in fact, the Bible teaches that GODS people will be blessed and cared for and all their needs shall be met. Abraham was not a poor man. David was not a poor man. Joseph was not a poor man. ALL of Gods people were blessed financially.

In fact, after some real research, one will see that Jesus was wealthy. He did indeed have a home and he had so much finance that he had to have a treasurer travel with him. He was a skilled carpenter known in his home town and he was a Torah Rabbi.


He did cry out against the ubber rich money changers and evil ones who were not GODLY that controlled and enslaved everyone, same as today. That would be the communist elite today that fly a private chef to make them pizza while their subjects are starving in tent cities.

He did not ask for tithes because tithes are not money to GOD, please research the tithe. The current modern so called Christian churches who preach and take tithes are in grave error and will pay a high price someday.

In other words, a true Christ-like person would never pray in public or in a church, nor would they construct any form of Temple.

This is a real stretch. He made note that the public chest beater prayers were fake believers. They wanted to be seen as holy. He wanted the true christian to be sincere in prayer. Believers were told that they were to assemble together for prayer for there is much power where there is more than one who is praying. Please read Paul's teachings.

Indeed today it is only the Communists who represent his legacy; the Christian Capitalists represent all that he despised.

You should be ashamed of yourself. This is a blatant lie. You are rabid filth in trying to hypnotise the unlearned as to the truth of communisum.

YOU are telling the world that the Jesus Christ would support this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto

10 Conditions For Transition To Communism

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.[7]

Communism will mean mass murder of Christians, just as the jew controlled communists in Russia murdered millions of Christians. THIS You say Jesus would support!!!

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=124170;

Consider also that the two major state terrorist countries in the world have Christian heads of state (Obama and Elizabeth Windsor) and that they are totally committed to militant world Capitalist revolution, the holocaust of all militant enemies and the economic enslavement of humanity.

First off lets get something real clear. 99.9% of all who claim to be Christians as far as the elite today are NOT christians. They can call themselves christian as Bush has but they are not christians.

Our country and England are not ruled by a christian government. We, they have been over thrown from the inside by the elite jews who control this world and use their communism to destroy the christian. You are obviously part of it.

Your OP is a virulent attack on christianity and our Lord himself. This kind of forum member is a perfect example of how and why so many are fleeing this forum for the demonic are given free reign here to spew this kind of blaspheme.

 

[BeFranklin]

Your OP is a virulent attack on christianity and our Lord himself. This kind of forum member is a perfect example of how and why so many are fleeing this forum for the demonic are given free reign here to spew this kind of blaspheme.

You must have missed the rest of the thread. "Lucifer" wrote the op, and the "gnostic christian" is a wholeseller to occult bookstores.

I agree. This forum fails if it becomes infested with these people. We won't be able to do anything without constant backstabbing and the foiling of projects.

 

[fedup100]

Who cares who posted it, I'm sure he probably didn't write it himself either. The pictures were irrelevant to the post and I found them in poor taste as well. Also, never once was did I mention where I stood on the post's contents.

And the OP's name was luciferhorus, it's well known that the illuminati claim to be luciferian, and horus has been plagiarized by the bible. His name on the david icke forum, taken in context to where he's posting, isn't all that shocking.

Even in HOT TOPICS on this forum it seems one can't ask questions about 9/11 or doubt the claims of religion. It seems its more follow the leader and know your role or catch hell. Where is the liberty in that?

Your point in posting this was to make sure it was was read by as many as possible. To create discussion is a crock. Try posting child porn or beastiality and defend that too on here. I say go away, I say get lost, I say you are done on this forum.

GOD DID say to have no part of the ungodly and to put no evil thing before your eye's. You have put an evil thing before the eye's of not only GODS people, but those who are too young or immature to know better than to embrace it.

 

[fedup100]

You must have missed the rest of the thread. "Lucifer" wrote the op, and the "gnostic christian" is a wholeseller to occult bookstores.

I agree. This forum fails if it becomes infested with these people. We won't be able to do anything without constant backstabbing and the foiling of projects.

I know who the original poster of this filth was. That cannot excuse the next demon underling that chooses to continue the evil.

 

[Deborah K]

To the OP and others:

It's ridiculous to try and pigeon-hole Christ's thinking on economic freedom, capitalism, etc. God manifested himself in the form of man and not for the purpose of teaching us how to deal with money, trade, etc. Christ came here to straighten us out spiritually by teaching us to love, be lovable, and to forgive. If man went astray from this, that is because he was born with the ability to choose.

It's futile (not to mention unfair) to superimpose modern thinking and practises onto ancient text. The bible needs to be viewed in the context from which it was written. This thread is just blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

 

[BeFranklin]

It's futile (not to mention unfair) to superimpose modern thinking and practises onto ancient text. The bible needs to be viewed in the context from which it was written. This thread is just blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

Don't encourage them. They're really like that.

 

[Deborah K]

Don't encourage them. They're really like that.

Really like what? And how am I encouraging them?

 

[BeFranklin]

Really like what? And how am I encouraging them?

Well, we have 1-3 satanists and a wicca lover. Both among their mumbo jumblo have weird rituals involving bondage etc.

They're perverts if not worse. They like cussing. What they need is scripture.