OMG, some people actually want a NWO?

[NinjaPirate]

Crazy, I was talking to my sisters friend, an Obama supporter. I was saying how government needs to be downsized to ensure the government does not attain control over us and she says "but people need to be controlled"
uhg
Then I say something like well at least RP is the only one wanting out of the UN and she says "The UN needs to expand and get bigger"
She also says "The Mexicans deserve to be here more than us"
"We need one world currency like the Euro"
"Real ID cards are a good idea because they could help catch serial killers"
"There should be only one manufacturor or every grocery item because having to pick from several varieties is very stressful on people" ( yeah, I don't know about you but when I get home from the store I feel downright suicidal lol)

This is someone with a 4.0 GPA who graduated with honors. What are they teaching these people in college?

My dad kept telling me all the NWO stuff was crazy and a conspiracy...well it becomes less of one when you have everyday graduates pushing for it. I, for one, did not know that everyday people actually want this. This is crazy!

Pleaes tell me she's NOT serious!!!!

 

[Gadsden Flag]

^^^ People can believe sincerely in an ideology other than ours without being brainswahed morons.

 

[NinjaPirate]

^^^ People can believe sincerely in an ideology other than ours without being brainswahed morons.

I can possibly see where a one world government can work, but it's like what Mike Gravel said, "...by the people FOR the people." Unless the human race can supress the strong urges of power and corruption, then we will never be ready for that type of thing. A government of that magnitude will have to be kept in check in order for the people of the world to be completley free.

 

[Dieseler]

Crazy, I was talking to my sisters friend, an Obama supporter. I was saying how government needs to be downsized to ensure the government does not attain control over us and she says "but people need to be controlled"
uhg
Then I say something like well at least RP is the only one wanting out of the UN and she says "The UN needs to expand and get bigger"
She also says "The Mexicans deserve to be here more than us"
"We need one world currency like the Euro"
"Real ID cards are a good idea because they could help catch serial killers"
"There should be only one manufacturor or every grocery item because having to pick from several varieties is very stressful on people" ( yeah, I don't know about you but when I get home from the store I feel downright suicidal lol)

This is someone with a 4.0 GPA who graduated with honors. What are they teaching these people in college?

My dad kept telling me all the NWO stuff was crazy and a conspiracy...well it becomes less of one when you have everyday graduates pushing for it. I, for one, did not know that everyday people actually want this. This is crazy!

Its absolutely insane.
This website explains Fabian Socialism pretty well and gives a pretty good explanation to the frame of mind that has been instilled into American minds these days.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/Community-Policing.htm

I know a lot of you are not Christians and I'm definitely not trying to start a pissing match with any of you who are not but check it out and see what ya think.

 

[berrybunches]

I don't think people that think like this are stupid, that would be like saying Hitler was stupid. I think the are smart, making the ideology even scarier.
They think that having a one world governance will cause peace.

What these people do not understand is that the resistance (us and most of the world) will not stand for it. I did not tell her this but I would honest to God, die before allowing myself to be a part of a NWO. I think MOST people in the united states would feel this was, and I think they woudl fight and kill to keep our sovereignty. So her "peace" movement would become a bloodbath.
....kinda like the "peace/stability" movement we have gong on in the middle east right now lol

 

[stilltrying]

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"We must make the world safe for democracy" is exactly what they are doing only with a twist.

Be careful of your quotes of Woodrow Wilson as that is exactly CFR talk.

 

[Archie]

IF you want someone to blame for this Tripe coming out of these healthy young people's mouth's its Noam Chomsky he is one of the elite Gatekeeper's to make sure that the coming generations sound like all these Obama Usefull idiots to promote elite rope a dope Globalism. I was a Master in debating way back in my School days and it was easy for me to really smash this morons to bits with simple examples of what "Freedom vs Slavery " is and "collectivism vs individualism" in a political theory . And while some aspects of collective unity are great and very decent, there not at all in a "political system " though because that will always lead you down the marxist death cult of the soviet union were 10 times the amount of people died from that horrible "political collectivism" then died in even Germany WW2.

Again this kind of stuff will still go an with guys like Noam Chomsky leading the "intellectuals" of today in "social mov'ts" Every American must be aware of this gatekeeping Elitist phony counter-culture types they will destroy countries and there people's in them like they did in marxist russia and in southeast-asia as well as Africa like what that nasty commie Mugabe has done. When you are in your political science class and you hear these tripe go un-challenged stand up and sound the alarm on them that you will fight them every step of the way because you see that there shills for collectivist dictatorships and gov't tryanny instead of claiming there for the "common good" and they are anti-imperialists which is a flat out diversion so you dont attack them there are The Scum of society as jackie chan puts it LOL!!!!!

GO out there And stand up to these Dopes that are promoting the gatekeeper elite like the noam chomsky's of the world who have there "meat hooks" in every college and university kids brain.. Alot of the problem too is these kids only mean well and dont understand that some of the biggest hellish bloodbaths in history were started because people never figured out that sometimes the road to evil is paved with good intentions [like the people in russia where they thought there were doing good overthrowing the Czar dynasty,and in germany where the people actually thought hitler cared about germany's ill's]

 

[Dieseler]

Archie

Hook us up with some good sites. I need more info on the subject of countering socialism in all its forms and its hard to find. I basically understand the problems but I am not educated on the subject enough to make a point against when its all wrapped in candy the way they present it in the Schools these days.
I have a 19 year old and a 15 year old I'm trying to get straightened out.
Anything on debating them will do.

 

[Archie]

Archie

Hook us up with some good sites. I need more info on the subject of countering socialism in all its forms and its hard to find. I basically understand the problems but I am not educated on the subject enough to make a point against when its all wrapped in candy the way they present it in the Schools these days.
I have a 19 year old and a 15 year old I'm trying to get straightened out.
Anything on debating them will do.

There is no better way then showing that 15 year old and 19 year old what socialism is like . Here is a great way to do it . Have both of them do a Chore where they will get paid except make sure you tell them Who Ever does More Work will get paid more, Now the this will set them up good assumming that one of your kids will work harder then the other one . When that happens and it comes down to paying your kids for the work they have done "Do not Reward the Harder worker woth more money" instead give even the worker who wasnt as hard working the same pay as the other guy , What and see if the harder working kid gets upset or says "what how come he gets paid the same" and then say well "isnt that the sort of fair system you want" then when they ponder tell them thats exactly what communism and socialism will lead to "Upset workers" because they dont get paid by there skill instead they get paid "collectivly" instead ..

Then after you made your point be nice to them and pay the harder working kid a little more and tell him Thanks for working your heart out Unlike some socialist I do Appreciate someone putting extra hard work into something ..




If thats to harsh to do to them Then Give me some time and I will bring you some great links and stuff to use against "socialist utopia" crapola LOL!!!!!


But if you plan out my first set of advice down good it will really strike a cord with them .

Also if your kids are into Music then try finding some Cool music to get them turned on to freedom and liberty instead of socialism. If they like HardRock I suggest a band called Pokerface they sound like Metallica and Alice n chains roleld into one...

 

[Dieseler]

Thanks Archie. Sounds like a good point making experiment.
Looking forward to the links to further my education and theirs.
I'm a 40 year old retired metal drummer myself so I will be checking out Pokerface for myself as well.
Retired lol, I try to make it sound that serious
so I don't feel bad about not playing anymore.

 

[Sauron]

This is someone with a 4.0 GPA who graduated with honors. What are they teaching these people in college?

College is no place for anyone who values knowledge. It's where you go to get told what your opinion must be.

 

[Archie]

Thanks Archie. Sounds like a good point making experiment.
Looking forward to the links to further my education and theirs.
I'm a 40 year old retired metal drummer myself so I will be checking out Pokerface for myself as well.
Retired lol, I try to make it sound that serious
so I don't feel bad about not playing anymore.

here is a small article aswell that gets some good points in...

http://beta.morons.org/tally-ho/article/read/84;jsessionid=9FC1783C8CAA4ED8B7358D8DC435BB0A


Also in order to really have a great impact your gonna need to know who is influencing them the most be it some teacher at school one parent,or some "trendy new punk band" You gotta know why your kids are taking the bait and who is the culprit there looking upto.. I ndoing these you will be able to dissect there heroes and there heroes words little by little without your kids even noticing untill it finnaly clicks that socialism is Just a nice way of saying "Dictatorship by the state" and they will slowly learn how many freedoms it can take away with too much regulations in peoples affairs..

Oh and you will probably really like Pokerface if you were on old metalhead yourself they are not To heavy but they do have that metal sound that is very much easy to hear in there sound...

If your kids are into the whole Hip-hop thing your in for a Great battle LOL!!!!!! If there into more Rock n Roll Punk/alternative it will be alot easier...


When I debate I keep it Simple I try to Connect the dots of the persons hypocrisy's and call them on it so the best way is also to bait them into a position that you know will set them up for Ruin ,Try getting them to take a stand on something socialist and then show then the hyocrisy of it .

But to tell ya the truth the best way is to show them first hand, take them to the slums in america Drive buy them if its to dangerous but let them understand what "socialism" had led to , in that it has stripped individual's of any of there creative talents and energy to "get up and do something" and just rewarded them with the "collective iron fist" which does not care for creativity in individual's talents and work, and all that does is make the society especially the poor people not even bother anymore because they realize "creativity and hard work" doesnt pay any incentives and they just settle for welfare and living in the slums..

But ya it should be very easy to find stuff countering socialism try lewrockwell's site aswell

 

[Mik3_D]

No, having a one world government will promote wars. Rome had dominence in its time and they were in constant wars and civil wars. This will be the same. Not only that, but fiscally will be impossible to maintain and will crumble.

Good.

 

[Mini-Me]

You know I would support a one-world government and peace would be nice too, but not under the terms that advocates are pushing.

A global government based on inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness would be great, but that's not what it's about. it's about an elite few controlling and dominating the world's economy and living environment. Peace is fine as long as its not imposed on us from the barrel of a gun or enforced by courts and threats of confiscating one's property.



Also Obama recently signed the Democrat-sponsored American Freedom Pledge to return to Constitutional principles. The Obama supporter needs to take note.

I can possibly see where a one world government can work, but it's like what Mike Gravel said, "...by the people FOR the people." Unless the human race can supress the strong urges of power and corruption, then we will never be ready for that type of thing. A government of that magnitude will have to be kept in check in order for the people of the world to be completley free.

Broadlighter and NinjaPirate, here's the thing: The further government gets away from the people, the easier it is to become completely corrupt and unaccountable to the people. Therefore, no matter what era we're talking about or how centralization of power comes about, centralization of power inevitably leads to tyranny, no matter what. No matter how a government comes into power or what rights it starts out recognizing, you must understand that power-hungry and corrupt people will always be the ones to seek power, and once they have it, they will always seek more. It's just human nature (or at least the nature of the worst among us). While you acknowledge that there have to be mechanisms to keep the government in check, you need to understand that decentralization of power is the most important mechanism we have to fight tyranny, and that's exactly what a one-world government eliminates. Allowing for one-world government ever, even thousands of years from now, will only be handing absolute power to these people on a silver platter. Government constitutes a monopoly on the "legitimate" use of force, so the whole point of one-world government is to eliminate all dissent and resistance so that NOTHING else exists to keep its power in check. You've already seen how our decentralized Constitutional Republic has turned into a monstrous federal-run monopoly - right now, we're fighting such an uphill battle against it that we're nearly helpless to stop it. Now just imagine how badly a "Constitutional" one-world government could turn if it was not only even further from the people than our federal government, but also, if no other organized force in the world existed to oppose it!

Now, you say, "Unless the human race can supress the strong urges of power and corruption, then we will never be ready for that type of thing." Well, if the human race could suppress those urges, that still wouldn't be an excuse to allow for one-world government - rather, if we ever got to that point, we wouldn't need any government whatsoever! As James Madison once wrote,

If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.​

Now, to Gadsden Flag:

^^^ People can believe sincerely in an ideology other than ours without being brainswahed morons.

Perhaps "brainwashed morons" might be a bit strong of an accusation to paint all of them with, but speaking completely objectively, anyone who believes in one-world government in any way, shape, or form, is at the very least neglecting to consider the important points I mentioned above. Anyone who sincerely believes that one-world government is good for humanity simply does not understand the incredible dangers that centralized power poses. A failure to understand this is a failure to understand human history and human nature. Believing that government is some benevolent force that always has the people's interests at heart is nothing other than pure delusional ignorance.

Far too many people think, "Oh, if we had one-world government, there'd be peace!" Completely ignoring the showstopping danger of tyranny that must be avoided at all costs, even this statement is pretty untrue: Ordinary people rarely want or cause wars. Rather, wars are started by governments and the power-hungry people in control of them. Then, rather than fighting themselves, they drag the common people into the mess to fight for them.

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
- Hermann Goering​

If we had a one-world government, it's true that there would be no other government or nation for it to wage war upon. Instead, it would turn inward and wage war upon its own people. Until a one-world government has absolute totalitarian control over everything, it will use violence and threats of violence (as everything the government does is inherently a use of force) to transfer all power and wealth from the common people to those in charge. Any efforts the people make against this process would be considered violent acts of war and terrorism by the government. It is simply the way of things - power seeks power, and power also corrupts.

The human race can never afford to have a one-world government. Anyone who sincerely believes otherwise is misguided at the very least.

 

[Cap'n Crunk]

You know I would support a one-world government and peace would be nice too, but not under the terms that advocates are pushing.

A global government based on inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness would be great, but that's not what it's about. it's about an elite few controlling and dominating the world's economy and living environment. Peace is fine as long as its not imposed on us from the barrel of a gun or enforced by courts and threats of confiscating one's property.



Also Obama recently signed the Democrat-sponsored American Freedom Pledge to return to Constitutional principles. The Obama supporter needs to take note.

ding, ding, ding. Global government if done right would not be a bad thing. Now having said that, there is no way it would be done right. Countries would be given as many if not more rights that states originally had. Slowly but surely the NWO would take rights away from individual countries as has our federal government from states. Our inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness would disappear, if they were even give in the first place.

 

[LEK]

What are they teaching these people in college?

It's an extension of the No Child Left Behind DOE system. And I mean that sincerely. It's called "Group Think".

Your friend will get her wish...you can assure her of that.

 

[freelance]

Oh PUHLEASE. These people are parroting what they've "learned." Critical thinking is the enemy of today's educational system. Today's education amounts to training/retraining camps. If they were thinking critically, they wouldn't willingly turn their lives over to a third-party NWO.

 

[Liberté]

Crazy, I was talking to my sisters friend, an Obama supporter. I was saying how government needs to be downsized to ensure the government does not attain control over us and she says "but people need to be controlled"
uhg
Then I say something like well at least RP is the only one wanting out of the UN and she says "The UN needs to expand and get bigger"
She also says "The Mexicans deserve to be here more than us"
"We need one world currency like the Euro"
"Real ID cards are a good idea because they could help catch serial killers"
"There should be only one manufacturor or every grocery item because having to pick from several varieties is very stressful on people" ( yeah, I don't know about you but when I get home from the store I feel downright suicidal lol)

This is someone with a 4.0 GPA who graduated with honors. What are they teaching these people in college?

My dad kept telling me all the NWO stuff was crazy and a conspiracy...well it becomes less of one when you have everyday graduates pushing for it. I, for one, did not know that everyday people actually want this. This is crazy!

Sad as it is, these type of people probably out number our movement. I doubt we can stop a Global Government, but maybe we can slow it down and ensure a few indivitual rights.

 

[berrybunches]

Sad as it is, these type of people probably out number our movement. I doubt we can stop a Global Government, but maybe we can slow it down and ensure a few indivitual rights.

I'm the OP. I do not think they do represent the majority of the country. Most US citizens are heavily opposed to things, such as a North American Union. It scares the crap out of them. It echoes "end of days" prophecies at the very least.
I think we can stop it. Remember, the US is not the only country that opposes this. There will be resistance everywhere, attacking them from every angle. I think we can only slow it down by trying to reverse some of its key elements. Keeping state sovereignty is key and should be our first step along with demanding an end to the Trans Texas Corridor on a more national scale.

 

[WilliamC]

Yep. My boss is a typical liberal and unapologetic. He thinks rich people should be forced to pay more taxes. He thinks everyone should be forced to get health insurance. He thinks it's a good thing for government to be big enough to control people because he doesn't think most of them know what's best for themselves.

And he doesn't see anything wrong with this attitude either.

Funny thing is he has no desire himself to control anyone or anything, he's actually a rather nervous, timid person. I just thinks he wants big government to take care of him because he's to afraid to be responsible for his own life.