OMG - Just in from Pensacola - TRAGIC!

[Number19]

...I agree that BP should not be the 'target', but I think instead of the government being blamed, I think we should blame corporatism (the industry). See what I'm sayin? =)

Corporatism,IMO, at least the negative aspects which people rile against, exists only by the approval and assistance of government power.

Checking Wikipedia real quickly, it appears that our American blend of corporatism began with the progressive movement and gained momentum under Roosevelt's New Deal administration.

So, change has to start with the reduction of government and a reform of the legal system.

Attacking BP, or corporate America, leads to "solutions" like the 3,000 page financial reform legislation passed this morning. Again, no one has read it and it's freely admitted that we don't know what outcome will evolve until bureaucrats start implementation. Addressing the current crisis in the Gulf, Obama's commission will come up with a similar solution to fix the oil industry.

From Wikipedia, I get this:

...One of the most prominent forms of corporatism is economic tripartism involving negotiations between business, labour, and state interest groups to set economic policy.[4] In contemporary usage, "corporatism" is often used as a pejorative term against the domination of politics by the interests of business corporations based on the inaccurate interpretation of "corporat" in corporatism as referring to business corporations.

Corporatism is related to the sociological concept of structural functionalism...

Remove government from the equation and "the problem" goes away.

 

[charrob]

Put your money and energy where your mouth is.

Become the owner by partnering up with people who want to preserve the environment.

Be careful what you wish for: if i could own the oceans surrounding the U.S. i'd stop all offshore drilling.

 

[Rancher]

Be careful what you wish for: if i could own the oceans surrounding the U.S. i'd stop all offshore drilling.

And what is your solution when people start freezing in the dark?

 

[constituent]

And what is your solution when people start freezing in the dark?

whale blubber.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

But why not have the millions of people living in the area volunteer to pick it up rather than pay people twenty-four dollars an hour to do so? Figure if each person filled a 55 gallon barrel and bought a bottle of dawn to clean a few birds, that the beach would be cleaned quicker than anyone has time to complain about it. But, no, this has to become something lucrative for the government to contract out.
Shoot, a lot of hot liberal babes running around in string bikinis would probably increase sales of local businesses. Blame this on the Federal government sticking its nose where it has no business.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Be careful what you wish for: if i could own the oceans surrounding the U.S. i'd stop all offshore drilling.

All states have their natural disasters, Florida and the deep south getting struck by hurricanes, the bread basket getting hit by huge tornadoes, and the west coast getting shaken by earthquakes. But none of these natural disasters come near to comparing with the artificial disaster caused by the socialism that destroyed the Northeast.
In other words, please don't confuse your desire to manipulate with that of any real concern.

 

[ClayTrainor]

And what is your solution when people start freezing in the dark?

She has made it clear that she gives marine life priority over human life...

I've asked her a couple of times how she would justify the starvation of millions of humans, if she got her wish to ban all water drilling. I have yet to get a response that shows any hesitation or regret for the millions to billions of humans that would starve and suffer, from her preferred policy.

 

[catdd]

I think everyone pretty much agrees that there would have been some inexpensive and completely workable alternative sources by now if we had Free Market without government and corporate intervention.
The government is just as guilty as BP in more ways then one.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I think everyone pretty much agrees that there would have been some inexpensive and completely workable alternative sources by now if we had Free Market without government and corporate intervention.

In the game of musical chairs, the song happened to quit on BP leaving the company without a chair to sit upon. The real culprits though are the greedy stock holders who never concerned themselves enough to protect their livelihoods by creating a fund to tackle such future mishaps. As we are all imperfect and use energy, we should all share in the blame.

 

[susano]

Fine. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were just misunderstood. That said, do you think it's possible that you misunderstood others you attacked as "assholes" or "defenders of corporations"?

As for who's really pulling the strings, I agree that both the government and BP are puppets in the grand scheme of things. But ask yourself this. 1) Who do you think is controlling the media? 2) Do you think the media has been "defending" BP or attacking? I think the answers to both of those questions are quite obvious.

Well, yes, please do give me the benefit of the doubt because what I say is exactly what I mean.

The assholes are the ones who, through several threads, have equated corporations doing whatever they feel like (blowing off mountain tops, for instance) with personal liberty, and defending the actions of those who pollute and destroy the planet that sustains all of our lives. My view of what liberty means is consistant with that video, The Philosophy of Liberty, and it includes being 100% responsible for ones actions. You may not have seen them, but I've had exchanges here where people have defended limited liablity (granted by big gov't to their corporate puppet masters) and these posters have said things like, "Why should "I" have to be liable for a company that I invest in?". In no way is that consistant with the meaning of liberty. Then there are those who argue they have a right to pollute, and the original conversations have NOT been about personal defecation (sheesh, I can't believe I'm even writing that, lol). So, it's been a running theme and conversation, and yes, I stand by the asshole label, and, more accurate, sociopath.

When talking about gov't and corporations being puppets, and another force controlling them, we can move on up the pyramid to the banksters, who are primarliy the "Synagogue of Satan", the most prominant of which is the House of Rothschild, straight up to the Illuminati Luciferians who go back to Babylon and Egypt. Then we can get into the non human entities who control them. On this forum, I try to stick to the human actors who, of their own free will, serve that beast. The federal gov't (and many at state and local levels) and corporations are all part of that Luciferian pyramid.

As for the press, I see that as a total dog and pony show. MSNBC will lean toward blaming BP, and Fox will blame Democrats and Obama. Every bit of that is for public consumption. Just as when we get treated to Bernanke getting grilled (though I am not saying that Ron Paul isn't sincere - he is), demonizing any Illuminati faction is supposed to pacify the useless eaters, while the the anti life demons go right on about their business. Until we see them lined up and shot, you know it isn't real.

Who do I think controls the propaganda machine? Why that same Illuminati, of course.

I would not doubt, one bit, that the blowout was intentional. A CONSPIRACY. Just like 9/11. These kinds of conspiracies serve their purposes on many levels - 9/11 passed the PATRIOT Act and took us to war; they'll use this to pass cap & trade and for economic warfare, etc. That's the more mundane level, as is the stuff like insurance fraud. At the higher levels of the pyramid, these events are blood scarifices and occult rituals. Now, I realize that on a board like this, many people have no idea of what I'm talking about and they'll think that's crazy talk. Unless someone is familiar with who these demons REALLY are, they cannot possibly conceive of what I'm talking about.

This is as much a metaphysical/spiritual battle, as it is one against gov't and/or corporations. They are the physical manifestation of the consciousness that turned away from the Creator and belived it was "god". They and all who get pulled into their web, represent complete, moral ROT. What happens on earth is not separate from the spiritual. Just as freedom is birthright of all of GOD's Creation, the antithesis orginates in the non physical. Our limited perception only allows us to see part of the big picture, but if we try to stay as close to the Creator as we can, we can see beyond the puppet show. Evil hates GOD's Creation and we are all it's enemy.

 

[susano]

Susano, thank you so much for going out there and taking pictures. I posted them on my profile so that other people could see. It's important that we have raw footage. Thank you again, what you're doing is very important. I don't live in Pensacola anymore but I'm very interested in the health of our beaches! I'm a beach kind of guy lol! =P

You are more than welcome for pics and videos. I live in Michigan and I got those at http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/06/25/10/pg1 where many of the posters live along the Gulf coast. I can't take credit. It all goes to them. I'm just passing the info on.

 

[susano]

Is it?

I could say just the opposite.

Yeah, you and LR can say anything. No names, no pics, no video, no proof. As one who has rescued many animals, and knowing that there are people who devote their lives to helping animals, there is zero reason to believe it.

 

[susano]

And what is your solution when people start freezing in the dark?

You don't really think that no drilling in water would result in people freezing in the dark, do?

There's a lot of evidence that the gov-corp industrial complex has suppressed every effort to develop alt energies. Human beings are very clever creatures. We can find new sources of energy and it doesn't have to be expensive during the change from one paradigm to another. We could start with having ZERO taxes on all forms of energy.

 

[susano]

She has made it clear that she gives marine life priority over human life...

I've asked her a couple of times how she would justify the starvation of millions of humans, if she got her wish to ban all water drilling. I have yet to get a response that shows any hesitation or regret for the millions to billions of humans that would starve and suffer, from her preferred policy.

No she hasn't.

The rest of your post is pure melodrama.

 

[susano]

I think everyone pretty much agrees that there would have been some inexpensive and completely workable alternative sources by now if we had Free Market without government and corporate intervention.
The government is just as guilty as BP in more ways then one.

Yep. Alt energy is suppressed by the gov-corp industrial complex.

 

[ClayTrainor]

The rest of your post is pure melodrama.

Interesting accusation coming from you. How many threads have you started with hyperbole like OMG, or URGENT, or RISE UP in the title this week??

 

[susano]

Interesting accusation coming from you. How many threads have you started with hyperbole like OMG, or URGENT, or RISE UP in the title this week??

A couple about the Gulf and burning sea turtles alive. Also, a really old one, back during the campaign, where I found Hillary Clinton had a flag at one of her events upon which the stars were upside, like Satanic pentagrams. In that case, I used "OMFG!"

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

This thread needs more drama whoring to further explain how the entire history of the human species changing or manipulating the planet to accommodate more humans is bad.

 

[Captain Shays]

It looks like we're eating each other in this thread.

Could people be so unkind as to twist the necks of birds? Sure they can. I see turtles smashed on the shoulder of the road from time to time indicating that some creep actually swerved to deliberately run it over.
Could other people lie about that sort of thing to say it happened when it didn't or visa versa? Sure. I doubt of Lew Rockwell would lie about it though.

I also know lots of people who devote themselves to saving animals.

It's not one or the other. Its both.

I want to interject another possibility here that has been on my mind lately. For the past 36 years I have pretty much devoted my life to seeing my country finally ween itself off foreign sources of energy so it's been my life study. Back when it all started I knew nothing about my Constitution or basic economics. Since then, I have made a lot of changes.

Now, I consider oil a vital part of our economy and our way of life. Where I used to hate oil companies and blame them for influencing my government, I now blame those in my government who have used tax payer dollars and the lives of our sons and daughters to protect the profits of oil companies and Royal families and ruthless dictators in the middle East. I blame our dependence on tax breaks, subsidies, and grants taken from the working people and transferred to the corporate elites.

See, if we had politicians who upheld the Constitution then they wouldn't be able to send troops all over the world especially in oil producing regions of the world, without a declaration of war as per Article I section 8 clause 11.
They wouldn't be allowed to take money from one taxpayer to give to another or from one group and transfer it to another.

Where I used to blame the corporations for bribing my elected officials and ignore the elected official for accepting that bribe, I now give more of a pass to the corporation and blame the politician more. Why? Because if the politician had nothing to sell in the way of grants, tax breaks, subsidies, no bid contracts, "incentives" or "investments" (ALL corporate welfare-ALL Unconstitutional-ALL anti-free market capitalist) then the corporations would have nothing to buy. Our elected officials have a responsibility to do the work of the people, while the corporations have a responsibility to make money.

Our military involvement in those parts of the world actually have kept us artificially dependent upon oil longer than what would have been in a true free market environment. See, unless we can factor in the stranded costs of the military expenses into the price of gas at the pump then we will never know what we're really paying because its being hidden behind our income tax. We pay once for that gas at the pump and again through our taxes.

So, for the past 8 years I have been installing solar panels for a company called Ecological Systems here in NJ. Every day, we install panels made my companies like Shell and BP. In fact, BP is the largest producer of solar panels in the world and the largest supplier of energy from solar farms in the world.

Being that this administration doesn't like to see a good crisis go to waste I could see this leading to a new solar paradigm with BP leading the way with their panels to help pay off their debt and to help give the impression that we're changing and making progress. I am working on this theory because in an intuitive way it sort of makes perfect sense.
O wonder why I never hear about BP's huge investment and dedication to renewable resource technologies.
Even as a young man of 13 right after the oil embargo which had a profound effect on my life I instinctively knew that we would never make the change until the people who control the oil companies can control the solar panels and dominate them as well.

I'll be back on this.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Even as a young man of 13 right after the oil embargo which had a profound effect on my life I instinctively knew that we would never make the change until the people who control the oil companies can control the solar panels and dominate them as well.

We have a winner.

There is a reason the major oil companies fund eco groups, support things like tax and trade and have so much invested in "alternative energies".

While not convinced of the false flag aspect of this disaster (yet) it will certainly be used to push the system's agenda, which the major oil companies are certainly poised to benefit from.