OK, Rand Runs for President in 2016. Great. But...There's One Important Question.

[willwash]

Something I just now thought about: two liberty people want to run for Governor of Kentucky. James Comer and Cathy Bailey.

Perhaps one of them can be convinced to run for Senate instead?

I'm not convinced bailey is a liberty candidate. Tptb contemplated putting her into the senate race in 2010 as a last ditch effort to block rand when trey Greyson's campaign melted. Not sure what became of all that, but in my mind she's just another establishment hack. I'm certainly open to someone's defense of her if there is one.

 

[AFTFNJ]

Who runs for his Senate seat? We NEED to make sure his seat is occupied by a liberty-minded person!

Perhaps Thomas Massie? 4 years in the House should be enough for his time to shine in the upper chamber, yes?

With electronic voting machines in place which are manufactured by Diebold n others proven to be hackable & not accountable to US Citizens there will be only CFR puppets elected as POTUS.

 

[TaftFan]

I'm not convinced bailey is a liberty candidate. Tptb contemplated putting her into the senate race in 2010 as a last ditch effort to block rand when trey Greyson's campaign melted. Not sure what became of all that, but in my mind she's just another establishment hack. I'm certainly open to someone's defense of her if there is one.

I'm just going off of what I've read.

 

[anaconda]

no one has ever run for president, and senate. VP-yes, (LBJ, Lieberman, plus Paul Ryan for his house seat). it's risky to cling to the senate seat.

Correct. However, James A. Garfield had a choice between Senator and President. But that was before the people voted for Senators. His state legislature elected him senator but he also ran for president. He took office in 1881. So he actually ascended to the presidency directly from the House of Representatives.

 

[mosquitobite]

no one has ever run for president, and senate. VP-yes, (LBJ, Lieberman, plus Paul Ryan for his house seat). it's risky to cling to the senate seat.

I agree. But, I think it would be smarter for Rand to run for Senate in KY and like someone else said - have a stand in for his Presidential electors in the primary?

KY is pretty late in the election primary season. We will know well in advance of KY whether he has won the POTUS nomination. So the way I look at it is he should run for Senate in KY, and if he gets the POTUS nomination, he can always step out of the Senate race and allow the party to nominate someone else. If he doesn't pull off the POTUS nom, then he keeps his Senate seat.

If he steps out before the election, how would the vacancy be filled? Precinct committeemen?

And what happened to Chris Hightower? Is he still in politics?

 

[Vanguard101]

Do we want McConnell stumping for Rand in the general...?

Yes. We need the Senate Majority leader to do that. It will also help of Rand convinces Mitch that he will be remembered as helping the economy grow the way Newt is given credit

 

[LibertyEsq]

Yes. We need the Senate Majority leader to do that. It will also help of Rand convinces Mitch that he will be remembered as helping the economy grow the way Newt is given credit

Do you think it wold help Hillary to have Reid stumping for her? I think it would be better if McConnell helped Rand with fundraising but not necessarily campaigning

 

[TaftFan]

Do we want McConnell stumping for Rand in the general...?

Nope, but I want him to raise money behind the scenes.

 

[PaleoPaul]

Do you think it wold help Hillary to have Reid stumping for her? I think it would be better if McConnell helped Rand with fundraising but not necessarily campaigning

We need ANYONE we can get to campaign for Rand. Kentucky's going to be important for us if Hillary runs. Remember, her husband won there twice and the Clintons are REALLY popular with the white working class voters.

 

[LibertyEsq]

We need ANYONE we can get to campaign for Rand. Kentucky's going to be important for us if Hillary runs. Remember, her husband won there twice and the Clintons are REALLY popular with the white working class voters.

Seems to me like McConnell must be pretty unpopular in Kentucky if he's tied with a Democrat when Obama's approval is 20 points upside down

 

[LibertyEsq]

36% favorable - http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...connell-leads-grimes-bluegrass-poll/13292787/
More underwater favorables (Rand seems much more popular in the state anyway) - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...n_2014/kentucky/election_2014_kentucky_senate

 

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THOMAS MASSIE FOR SENATE

 

[anaconda]

What if Rand hand-picked a "clone" replacement and endorsed that individual? Would that cause virtually every one who would have voted for Rand for Senate to vote for the "hand-picked" successor?

 

[anaconda]

THOMAS MASSIE FOR SENATE

Would that mean he would have to sacrifice his house seat?

 

[philipped]

Would that mean he would have to sacrifice his house seat?

Yes, I'm pretty sure that in the event Rand lets Massie know he should do it and will having support set up already for the Senate, Kentucky libertarian-Republicans can begin to position a county level affiliate to run for office ensuring that the same idea stays represented in Massie's current district. Throughout this time and after the midterms, Massie and Amash should push for more bipartisan legislation and gun for spotlight on it. Let it be known that Rand is not the only one that has libertarian-leanings making inroads across the aisle. The new left-right alliance on civil liberties, spending and anti-war positions can really do this I believe.

 

[Warlord]

Winning senate seats is very difficult unless the candidate is great and can raise a lot of money. Massie has no interest in running statewide campaign and we can't raise enough money for it. RAND is a one off

 

[PaleoPaul]

Winning senate seats is very difficult unless the candidate is great and can raise a lot of money. Massie has no interest in running statewide campaign and we can't raise enough money for it. RAND is a one off

Well, Massie's pretty new. I'm sure after a little more time in the House he'll change his mind.

 

[Warlord]

Well, Massie's pretty new. I'm sure after a little more time in the House he'll change his mind.

But why would he give up a safe house seat to run statewide? He'd need millions for that effort and he can't raise enough. Like Amash he's better off where he is and I think he has said as much.

 

[PaleoPaul]

But why would he give up a safe house seat to run statewide? He'd need millions for that effort and he can't raise enough. Like Amash he's better off where he is and I think he has said as much.

Having 1/100th of a voice is much more influential than having 1/435th of a voice.

 

[Matt Collins]

Having 1/100th of a voice is much more influential than having 1/435th of a voice.

That and Senators (usually) have much more procedural options available to them... such as a filibuster or placing a hold, or demanding a roll call, etc..... in the House those things are much harder to do.