OK, guys, we may have a real problem, for real.

Please everybody don’t jump to conclusions here, be careful. You have to realize that there’s infiltrators on this website, and all RP public sites. They act as hardcore RP supporters, but they really are not. They gather info on the current trends among the supporters and so on. Then out of the blue, they’ll have this big scandal that needs action on everybody’s part. Then the scandal ends up being a fraud, and all the RP supporters are considered whack jobs and RP will be finished. Bring some names, more evidence before people should act on this. Be careful, I’m not saying this is happening on this thread, but you never know.
 
I have built a VOD (video on demand) platform for just this. I offered it to the RP headquaters with no reply yet. I agree he should publish on youtube, but a website with higher quality video and the ability to submit questions while watching for the next published video would go a lot further. An online townhall or fireside chat format direct to the people. Once a week.

It is built if they are game.
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I think that's a wonderful idea, Thor.

A long time ago, I suggested he start putting out a short video every week or so that addressed one topic. Just one. Next time, a different one.

Maybe you should resend your idea or just call them up.
 
Even if this woman comes out and testifies, nobody will believe her unless she has some kind of memo telling CNN employees to ice RP.

And anyway, CNN hasn't commited a crime. Fox has been doing exactly the same thing for years.
 
True. But it is irritating. I don't think the lady can testify. But I think there's a lot of things that CNN can do to uphold their duty to the public discourse, even if the powers that be aren't intending on it. Leaks, etc.
 
Ok

This has been going on a long time and will continue going on. We are up against an unwieldly beast. It is going to take a lot and even more than us. We need to get the word out even more and go to the end fighting.

The heir apparents that have been annointed by the big media are also behind this. I am ready to get down and dirty if need be.
 
4Horsemen said:
Please everybody don’t jump to conclusions here, be careful. You have to realize that there’s infiltrators on this website, and all RP public sites. They act as hardcore RP supporters, but they really are not. They gather info on the current trends among the supporters and so on. Then out of the blue, they’ll have this big scandal that needs action on everybody’s part. Then the scandal ends up being a fraud, and all the RP supporters are considered whack jobs and RP will be finished. Bring some names, more evidence before people should act on this. Be careful, I’m not saying this is happening on this thread, but you never know.
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Have you seen any of aravoth's videos?

If he's an infiltrator, send that man after bin Laden!
 
Digger Media Censorship Challenge

If any of you know someone in the Media (friend or family) ask them point blank
if they have been told not to mention Paul. I have posted an open challenge on digg, asking others to do the same.

(look up my name, thomaspaine23 and digg it)

I'm curious to see what kind of feddback I get.
 
trying to get the MSM to play fair is wasted energy. getting mad about it is a distraction.

be aware of those who try to stir us up over things we won't be able to control.

let's concentrate on what we CAN do. getting the MSM to be fair isn't one of them.
 
wecandoit said:
let's concentrate on what we CAN do. getting the MSM to be fair isn't one of them.
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I think we all have to play our parts... I think some people who are very passionate about it should focus a majority of their efforts... as I would like to put forth some effort.... but I've never bought into the MSM or the BS. I'm just learning more about how horrible it is.

I really have no where to start with those guys, but if some people do.. I say let them go at it! :)

Your message definitely applies to me though :P
 
4Horsemen said:
Please everybody don’t jump to conclusions here, be careful. You have to realize that there’s infiltrators on this website, and all RP public sites. They act as hardcore RP supporters, but they really are not. They gather info on the current trends among the supporters and so on. Then out of the blue, they’ll have this big scandal that needs action on everybody’s part. Then the scandal ends up being a fraud, and all the RP supporters are considered whack jobs and RP will be finished. Bring some names, more evidence before people should act on this. Be careful, I’m not saying this is happening on this thread, but you never know.
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Aravoth's cool. He's almost been here since day one.
 
Wecandoit,

I'm not trying to get the MSM to play fair. What I am trying to do is get people to think. If they know someone in the media who confirms to them that Paul is getting spiked, the first question they'll ask is WHY? Then if they value freedom
they will most likely get pissed and tell OTHERS about it.
 
Ron Paul will get the word out one way or other. The main thing he needs now is money. He is so far behind the annointed ones it is not even funny. When he is able to buy some airtime the media tends to see things more "honestly".

The top tier has so much money that they can and will use it to control what they want. The media is after all a business and need to make a profit.
 
thomaspaine23 said:
Wecandoit,

I'm not trying to get the MSM to play fair. What I am trying to do is get people to think. If they know someone in the media who confirms to them that Paul is getting spiked, the first question they'll ask is WHY? Then if they value freedom
they will most likely get pissed and tell OTHERS about it.
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well I agree that the story of how the MSM is treating Paul can be a valuable tool to show people we are trying to recruit what is happening.

we do need people who get all their info from the MSM to lose their faith in the MSM, and trust their own judgement.
 
lucky said:
Ron Paul will get the word out one way or other. The main thing he needs now is money. He is so far behind the annointed ones it is not even funny. When he is able to buy some airtime the media tends to see things more "honestly".

The top tier has so much money that they can and will use it to control what they want. The media is after all a business and need to make a profit.
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Lucky's right. Just follow the money. The msm makes their money by selling advertising. Only candidates with big buckets of money can buy lots of advertising so that's who the msm focuses on. Dr. Paul doesn't have big buckets of money (yet). As his buckets grow so will interest from the msm. For example, I don't think they're blowing off Gilmore because they're trying to crush him - he's just not a big source of dough for them.

Just follow the money.
 
No one said it was gonna be easy!!!

aravoth said:
*****: but not many of us enjoyed that debate. it was same ol same ol with the Three dominating airtime
XXXXX: Yes, indeed..I don't know if I shud say anything
*****: whatdo you mean?
XXXXX: I know that there was a concerted effort here to focus on the top tier and leave out the others.
*****: come on that is obvious ;-)
XXXXX: No, specifically, production-wise, it was Ron Paul that was to be..as they call "iced" as he was gaining expediency.. I dunno.. I think people are listening to him more? I can't be quiet about it. It disturbs me to my core.
*****: it doesn't surprise me the top tier gets more focus, but this was pre-meditated? u gotta be kidding me
XXXXX: It was, and I'll get my bell rung if they knew I told anyone. It doesn't sit well with me and I dunno what's going on. This is not how I see my country and I am not the only one here at the desks feeling this way.
*****: its worrisome but...hang on, gotta take this call. brb.
XXXXX: I gotta go kiddo. Cant be talking about this now. Talk l8r.

xxxxx is a woman that works for cnn, ***** is a friend of hers she spoke to over MSN last night. This was sent to me by a friend of mine who knows the guy. He's the guy that sent a few of my vid's out to andrew sullivan. I know him to be very honest, all the same I'm trying to actually get some kind of validity to it. But I thought you should see what we may be/ or are up against.
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Aravoth,

I'm new here so let me start by saying something I have wanted to say to you since I saw your Ron Paul : Stop Dreaming video....

What an excellent piece of work...very professional...hopefully congressman paul will look to you to do video...I consider the stop dreaming video exceptional in all ways.. :)

But back to the subject....I knew from the minute I saw Ron Paul go up against Giuliani, the mainstream media would try to ice him....

The top tier candidates in both parties fear him.....

The republican top tier wants him quiet because his views might cause the conservative base to finally totally break from the neo cons who have control of the GOP. The neocons fear the conservative base taking back the party.

The democrats top tier want him quiet too...because he is stealing thunder from their golden boy Obama who was against the war from day 1 also....but the democrats also fear him because Ron Paul wants secure borders unlike the open borders liberals as well as the neocons.

70% of Americans want us out of Iraq according to latest polls.

50% of Americans are against the current immigration bill being pushed through the senate.

Since Ron Paul's platform will be popular with voters who feel strongly about these 2 issues....they need to ice him anyway they can.

We can't let this dishearten us. We must make it the reason we all work harder.

The only way we will be able to truly penetrate the mainstream media with Ron Paul is by getting him as much money as possible thru donations so he can buy time via commercials...buying airtime usually leads to bonus airtime on the network thru interviews. Writing letters to see him as a guest will only go so far.

We must tell everyone we know about him, use flyers from the official website, the liberty cards, whatever....every one we can turn on to Ron Paul is one more potential donor.

The internet will only take this so far....We need to campaign for him in the real world...

I see many places we can change minds on the cheap by passing out pro Ron Paul flyers as well as the liberty cards.

It's summertime, and summer brings tons of festivals with tons of people.

Music festivals are a great place to spread the word. Many music festivals have a very anti war demographic....Ron Paul's views will go over well at music festivals.

Here in Buffalo we have the taste of buffalo festival in July which usually brings about 200,000+ people out. I will be there handing out as many flyers and liberty cards as I can afford to print and buy.

We also have the artvoice festival here in Buffalo which has brought as many as 400,000 people here in buffalo...I will be working that too for congressman paul.

If each of us does this at our local festivals where large amounts of people gather, and pass out flyers and liberty cards, It will help...doesn't matter if you print up 100 flyers or 10,000 flyers...it will help grow support and donations to the campaign.

So let this news of the mainstream trying to ice him not let us get it down, let it strengthen our resolve and find ways to succeed!
 
Buffalokid777,

I agree. I'll be at the 311 concert here. Thanks for the post... and welcome!!!
 
Yes

thomaspaine23 said:
Dave, its more than that check this AP story out :
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070606/ap_on_el_pr/republicans_debate

the article mentions 10 candidates at the debates. It goes on to find quotes
from and mention 9 of them by name. Guess who it left out?

That is not a money issue, nor a slip up IMO.
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There are other media than the big ones though. Someone coming in and buying airtime gets their views brought up more. There are many independent stations of TV's and radio and other ways. It will take money and lots of it. Ron Paul is busting his butt out there for all of us folks and I know we are also but we need to get the word out to as many as possible now and get them to donate and their family and friends.
After all the big media has had McCain and the other top tier on for a long time now. McCain and Guiliani for many years now that is a given that they would be mentioned and also they would have the most money to throw at anyone.

Ron Paul at the last I heard had 6 paid volunteers running a National Primary campaign. McCain has 120 just in New Hamshire alone. This is a huge discrepancy. We need to focus. on what it takes to win a Major parties nomination for President.
 
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