Oil Spill Off Pristine Santa Barbara Coastline :(

[dannno]

Don't worry the nuclear contamination from fukushima will break down the oil. Anyway this will get cleaned up like always. I remember getting oil on my skin there when I was a kid.

Yes, there are a lot of heavy natural oil seeps in the area - which is good in a sense because most of the damage will be contained to the local area of the spill. But refugio and el cap are pretty screwed... hopefully [super secret surf spot redacted] will be ok, as well as the next spot down called [another secret surf spot redacted] which probably has more sea life per acre than anywhere else within at least 20 miles, it's a state marine conservation area.

El cap, princess of the coast (pay attention to the wave at the top at 1:14.....also wave at the bottom at 3:54)

 

[osan]

Why do people stand for it?

Because they are corrupt and lazy? Just guessing. Hey, so long as it doesn't have a notable effect in their lives, why should they care, eh?

Yes... a reset event is almost certainly needed because , just as with other parasitic creatures, humans of the Empire hive-mindset are not very likely ever to stop their march of consumption down the avenue of time. We are possibly past the natural carrying capacity of the planet and I do believe in the greater intelligence that will at some point correct the errant children. Those corrections, if observations of other populations are valid indicators, tend to be large, carry very harsh qualities, and are administered with utter indifference to the plight of the individual.

 

[angelatc]

As long as you're willing to pay the damages... problem is that doesn't happen.

Looking at the money that was spent repaying the damages from the Gulf spill a few years ago, it's pretty clear to me that the greenies will never be paid enough to be satiated.

And it isn't your land - who exactly was damaged? Surely you're not advocating that the government should shake down energy companies for "damages," are you?

 

[JK/SEA]

moderate earthquakes up and down the west coast lately may be the culprit. A new Volcanoe is forming in the ocean just off of Oregon.

 

[presence]

Looking at the money that was spent repaying the damages from the Gulf spill a few years ago, it's pretty clear to me that the greenies will never be paid enough to be satiated.

And it isn't your land - who exactly was damaged? Surely you're not advocating that the government should shake down energy companies for "damages," are you?

No they should clean up their shit.

The "greenies" don't want money for damages; local businesses do. "Greenies" want the companies that make the mess to put man hours on beaches; solutions other than, pay fine then sink the oil to the bottom and forget it.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

As long as you're willing to pay the damages... problem is that doesn't happen.

Noone owns the ocean or beach, yes? If so, it's just another public works project that everyone pays for. Socialist waterways work just as well as 'Murica's socialist roads.

We all own the resources. The natural habitats are part of a balance we do not want to upset.

Corporate personhood is largely to blame for this, because they act with impunity over time buying off courts through obscure methods. Basically, if there was one responsible person, they would never allow something like this to happen just to enable increased profits.

The automatic shutoff valves are costly and they have a built in maintenance cost. Shareholders want the highest profits, CEO's are known to be sociopaths. Given the proper connections, reasonable safeguards can always be bypassed.

With a lawful and peaceful revolution, we can eventually remove corporate personhood.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

We can do anything needed, and if things like this are happening, it is needed. The lawful and peaceful revolution has a massive education built into it with the ending of the abridging of the purpose of free speech. After that, not only will political decisions be easier to make with accuracy, people will realize that there is a certain amount of change they themselves must expect.

We've been living in a bubble of a false economy for about 50 years. The way we do what we do is just not a wise use of resource. Most of it is tailored to corporate profits rather than actual economy, certainly not ecology.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

We all own the resources. The natural habitats are part of a balance we do not want to upset.

Corporate personhood is largely to blame for this, because they act with impunity over time buying off courts through obscure methods. Basically, if there was one responsible person, they would never allow something like this to happen just to enable increased profits.

The automatic shutoff valves are costly and they have a built in maintenance cost. Shareholders want the highest profits, CEO's are known to be sociopaths. Given the proper connections, reasonable safeguards can always be bypassed.

With a lawful and peaceful revolution, we can eventually remove corporate personhood.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

We can do anything needed, and if things like this are happening, it is needed. The lawful and peaceful revolution has a massive education built into it with the ending of the abridging of the purpose of free speech. After that, not only will political decisions be easier to make with accuracy, people will realize that there is a certain amount of change they themselves must expect.

We've been living in a bubble of a false economy for about 50 years. The way we do what we do is just not a wise use of resource. Most of it is tailored to corporate profits rather than actual economy, certainly not ecology.

Meh, that sort of egalitarian property theory has been tried many times. It only "works" in situations like monastic communes. Hell, Plymouth Colony's population would've died off had William Bardford not turned the public land into private tracts.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Meh, that sort of egalitarian property theory has been tried many times. It only "works" in situations like monastic communes. Hell, Plymouth Colony's population would've died off had William Bardford not turned the public land into private tracts.

If you knew what was hidden about life and the other ways to live it you would not say that.

The abridging of the purpose of free speech prevents you from knowing that and much more. The education that will come after the abridging of the purpose is ended will awaken Americans to greater possibilities for happiness than consumerism can even imagine.

The alternative of doing nothing has Agenda 21 which wants to force or compel the changes. The resistance to that is creating conflicts that have the opposite effect of what they intend. That is a lose-lose. Would you rather have that?

Corporate personhood is different from private property, did you know that? What I posted has nothing to do with private property. It's about Article V and stopping tyranny.

How screwed are we if the tyrants trash the ocean so bad we can't go fishing to survive?

The effects of corporate personhood are condemning private property on a daily basis, is that okay?

 

[angelatc]

No they should clean up their shit.

The "greenies" don't want money for damages; local businesses do. "Greenies" want the companies that make the mess to put man hours on beaches; solutions other than, pay fine then sink the oil to the bottom and forget it.

Again, I stand by my original statement - from what I have seen no amount of money will satiate the butthurt. When the gulf spill happned, they bought out all the businesses and fishrman, paid billions to the government and spent billions cleaning up the mess.

All we heard (and hear) was that it was not enough, and that the gulf is mucked up forevr, blah blah blah.

Again, I'd rather have the occasional accident as long as energy is cheap. All this self-loathing Westerner crap is annoying.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Again, I stand by my original statement - from what I have seen no amount of money will satiate the butthurt.

There are actually other impacts from oil that are not visible now, which will have destroyed a lot of resource and habitat that cannot be replaced with any amount of money. Not spills or anything like that. Simply an additive that was banned by the EPA because after precipitation in closed system tests, everything died, but the oil industry pulled a fast one and got a waiver to blend it 11% of every gallon.

It created such problems, the governor banned it. Then methanex of Canada sued him. He used defenses of a California and Federal law. The tribunal court under
NAFTA rejected all that and he had to make a deal to let them dispense it for 2 more years until 2002.

NAFTA usurped US law in US territory. Sounds like treason don't it?

Now the sad thing is that a major impact is going to take 20 years to be visible. People have not even figured out what is happening yet.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

If you knew what was hidden about life and the other ways to live it you would not say that.

The abridging of the purpose of free speech prevents you from knowing that and much more. The education that will come after the abridging of the purpose is ended will awaken Americans to greater possibilities for happiness than consumerism can even imagine.

The alternative of doing nothing has Agenda 21 which wants to force or compel the changes. The resistance to that is creating conflicts that have the opposite effect of what they intend. That is a lose-lose. Would you rather have that?

Corporate personhood is different from private property, did you know that? What I posted has nothing to do with private property. It's about Article V and stopping tyranny.

How screwed are we if the tyrants trash the ocean so bad we can't go fishing to survive?

The effects of corporate personhood are condemning private property on a daily basis, is that okay?

 

[dannno]

Again, I stand by my original statement - from what I have seen no amount of money will satiate the butthurt. When the gulf spill happned, they bought out all the businesses and fishrman, paid billions to the government and spent billions cleaning up the mess.

All we heard (and hear) was that it was not enough, and that the gulf is mucked up forevr, blah blah blah.

Again, I'd rather have the occasional accident as long as energy is cheap. All this self-loathing Westerner crap is annoying.

Ok, so what you're saying is that BP gave a bunch of money to some large corporate fisheries and a bunch of money to government, hung the little guy whose livelihood depended on the gulf out to dry, and since they are still complaining I guess that makes them liberal.

And I guess you don't care that the environment gets completely destroyed and we can no longer live off the land so you can pay less at the gas pump.

 

[ghengis86]

Ok, so what you're saying is that BP gave a bunch of money to some large corporate fisheries and a bunch of money to government, hung the little guy whose livelihood depended on the gulf out to dry, and since they are still complaining I guess that makes them liberal.

And I guess you don't care that the environment gets completely destroyed and we can no longer live off the land so you can pay less at the gas pump.

For the record, I knew of two people operating single boat fishing businesses that got a sweet, sweet payout from BP. So it wasn't just big commercial fisheries. I also know of one person who made a claim of lost wages/income due to the spill and got a payout, which may or may not have been legit. So there was likely scamming going on by the little guys too.

I'm not a tree-hugger by a long shot, but these spills and the aftermath bother me. I think it's the government regulation and protection racket for big energy that fosters these types of incidents. That and public land 'ownership'. I'm in the camp that completely privatized lands coupled with robust property right protection and remedy through courts is the answer to maintaining the environment while providing cheap energy.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Your admission to a failure to reason is expected. Consider, your posting an image is far closer to a brick wall than my continued posting of descriptive text.

The notion that our society does not know everything about the human mind, which is what experiences life, which is what knows the rewards of living; is not something you can assimilate. Not many raised by television can.

Television never goes to certain places of knowledge. Just like literature and academia. Therefore the people of our society only exposed to that material sphere of knowledge or experiences it yields cannot comprehend that life is anything but material gratification, or the shared and mutual appreciation of it.

Consider, when you are very old, will you remember all the material stuff you consumed and enjoyed in your life? Or, will the people you love and spent time with dominate your memory? Will the time shared with them discussing and apprehending your mutual existence, your appreciation of the universe we each know be what you cherish in memory after all those experiences are in the further past?

Herein is what the experience of life is really about. Therefore efficiency with the material existence allows more of the real experience for others in the future to enjoy the same thing which is shared by all forms of life that we comprehend.

It is our combined, aware effort to continue that phenomena for all life that is the lasting joy of life, and the love we have for our familes and friends. The stuff only matters to filling needs, and the occasional want that is justified with material gratification.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

I'm in the camp that completely privatized lands coupled with robust property right protection and remedy through courts is the answer to maintaining the environment while providing cheap energy.

The elements of air and water are collectively needed therefore owned by all of us as property and that is natural law.

It may be your formula is the most effective, but a society that shares awareness of efficacy, is still the key to function. If the society does not share such, it must focus on creating such function as soon as possible.

Functional and just courts that are based in the cutting edge of natural law awareness will be more and more vital to good descision making in these areas. The American constitution, with its original intents, actually has a basis advanced enough to serve us in arriving at a place where the described function will be happening.

 

[Anti Federalist]

FWIW, it was an evironmental regulation that, ulitimately, broke the final link in the chain that caused the Deepwater Horizon disaster

 

[dannno]

Pipe broke from corrosion - Picture in the article shows a dude standing next to it with some duct tape

http://www.independent.com/news/2015/jun/04/early-pipeline-finding-names-corrosion/


A comment from the article that seems informative:

Yikes! This is so wrong on so many levels. First, the fact that the six inch slit is in the bottom tells me that the product moving down the line has sand in it, which means that ExxonMobil is not removing all the sand before sending to the refinery. Second, the external corrosion indicates that the cathode protection did not work. Thirdly, the discrepancy between what the smart pig recorded and what was really there is an indication that the smart pig inspections are not providing accurate inspection information. So we can conclude that industry standard corrosion control does not work, ExxonMobil's processing plant is not removing all the sand from the crude before shipping it to refineries, and the primary method we have for determining pipeline integrity does not give us accurate information. As I said before, Yikes!

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2015 at 9:04 p.m.