***Official Tuesday Live Convention Thread***

[playpianoking]

He called for yay's and nay's at the same time so all you could hear was noise. Probably staged that way.

Agreed. CNN going LIVE to Paul supporters now.

 

[Carlybee]

The problem with staying in the GOP is that we no longer have Ron Paul. We don't have years to wait for someone with his knowledge and courage. We are at the moment up the creek without a paddle.

 

[francisco]

Is anyone else seriously freaked out how 1984ish this all is? All the talk about the evil debt (remember Bush?), bailouts (remember Bush?), Obomacare (remember Romnycare?). I swear to god this is like "We were always at war with Eurasia..." This wasn't even like 10 years ago! Everyone in that room was alive during that time! We have YouTube for Christ's sake!

Yup. I can only shake my head with a quiet bittersweet laugh.

On a practical level, if Romney wins, it will destroy the "brand" of Liberty and free markets (what the propagandized masses think those terms mean).

If Obama wins, Liberty itself will be destroyed. All that will be left, is a visible enemy.

 

[Eire4RonPaul]

The problem with staying in the GOP is that we no longer have Ron Paul. We don't have years to wait for someone with his knowledge and courage. We are at the moment up the creek without a paddle.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it may not be a two party system anymore. Isn't the Libertarian Party on the ballot in all 50 states...???

America STILL has a chance to make a difference...

 

[S.Shorland]

What do they do for the rest of the week?

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

What do they do for the rest of the week?

Romney love fest.

 

[Dublin4Paul]

What do they do for the rest of the week?

Circlejerk

 

[NoOneButPaul]

The problem with staying in the GOP is that we no longer have Ron Paul. We don't have years to wait for someone with his knowledge and courage. We are at the moment up the creek without a paddle.

We don't need Ron Paul we just need to step up as individuals.

There people are scared. Scared enough to make fools of themselves on national TV. They want us out so bad that they would rather lose elections than win and risk losing control of "their" party to us. I don't think we should take the bait. I think we should keep taking over county and state Republican organizations until we have the majority on their precious RNC. As long as they stick to their tired policies and rhetoric and as long as the standard of living of average people continues to decline, they don't have a prayer of stopping us. It is simply a matter of time ... as long as we do not lose our will.

This is so perfectly put.

 

[playpianoking]

Circlejerk

Yup.
There were more nays for Paul Ryan's VP nomination - wonder if we can play by the rules and do something about them and piss everyone off.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Isn't it obvious? They are deliberately using emotional manipulation to depress us and get Ron Paul supporters to leave the party before we take it over from the ground up. That's their goal.

That's obvious to me as well. They're counting on Paul supporters to give up and drop out politically so they can take back the positions they lost to us.

 

[AdamT]

Turn your attention to local races and offices! We have to take this over from the ground up, same way this movement has been built over the last 5 years (and longer). We tried to win by going after the HIGHEST office in the land and that's a hell of a mountain to climb. We did well, better than anyone expected, but it's not how you win the long term. Run for local office, support local, state and congressional candidates, take the party over from the inside. Giving up doesn't do anything for anyone and certainly doesn't spread the message of liberty.

We need financial help here.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ate-in-WI-needs-help-State-Senate-district-24

 

[Mini-Me]

The problem with staying in the GOP is that we no longer have Ron Paul. We don't have years to wait for someone with his knowledge and courage. We are at the moment up the creek without a paddle.

The point of staying in the GOP doesn't have to be about electing a torchbearer as President as soon as 2016 (although Rand does have a shot, despite a lot of people's dislike of him and his inability to live up to Ron). Instead, it's about taking control over the GOP's resources to run a lot more Justin Amashes and Kerry Bentivolios and such. We barely have the resources to get a few seats in Congress, let alone the majority (even two thirds majority) we need. Taking over the state parties and RNC would also knock the neocons out of power in the party, forcing them to get active with the Democrats or a new third party to marginalize us again...and by putting establishment resources behind a third party, they'd be giving us an unprecedented opportunity to break the two-party system long enough to change the election laws, before the system reasserted itself in another form. Either way, if we take over the Republican party from the ground up, we're moving forward considerably.

I truly hope we do not need the constant presence of a figurehead like Ron to keep us inspired and active...if so, we are indeed in trouble, so I'd urge everyone to do some soul searching about finding a less ephemeral motivation.

 

[S.Shorland]

Rombies looking for brains

 

[Anti Federalist]

Read through about 15 pages, at 40 posts per page.

I'm done.

I'll just drop this off here...

 

[NoOneButPaul]

The Libertarian Party were seconds away from nominating Mary Ruwart, an Anarcho-Capitalist in the turest sense of the word in '08. The only reason Barr got the nod was because the mainstream got ahead in the votes but the Anarchists usually rule that party. In 88 the anarchists nominated Ron Paul. They went with Gary Johnson because Johnson has the most experience and they hope to appeal to the ordinary person in the street. I love RP, but Libertarianism is the main goal (not one man) so it's Johnson '12.

If Johnson wins, Ron Paul will smoke a joint in happiness...

And yet... if the LP starts to be a force to be reckoned with this would only power the Anti-Libertarian Democrats even further.

So if it really is about getting Libertarianism into a position of power so things can actually be changed then uniting under the same banner is the best thing we can do.

The bottom line is we can't win anything without the sheep, and there are no sheep in the LP.

Eventually the GOP sheep would come along with us, but only if we can take the party back first.

 

[gjdavis60]

The problem with staying in the GOP is that we no longer have Ron Paul. We don't have years to wait for someone with his knowledge and courage. We are at the moment up the creek without a paddle.

Yes, the movement does need a figurehead to speak on the national stage, and hopefully a presidential candidate in the next Republican primary. That is part of the formula for success that we've had over the past 8 years. But just because it took Ron Paul 30 years to gain national prominence doesn't mean we have to wait another 30 for the next spokesman for liberty. And we have some time now to see who might emerge on the national stage while we go back to focusing on state and local races for a while, just like we did in 2009. By the way, even though he won't be running for public office again, I doubt Ron is going to disappear anytime soon. As he did from 2009 until his 2012 bid, I am hopeful he will remain in the national spotlight, speaking out on behalf of the movement.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

We did our best. Let's stay active in the party. I know we'll do better in four years.

Iowa has shown us the blueprint of what we need to do. Stay active in the party and you'll make your state into the next Iowa!

 

[ShaneEnochs]

Though I won't be voting in November, I will be smiling when Romney loses the election.

 

[MarcusI]

The numbers are about right. We had 200ish unbound. The rest were bound to Romney and since there's no brokered convention, the extra few hundred still had to vote for Romney on first ballot.

To be precisely, NV delegates bound to Romney choose otherwise! But I don't know if this is possible, when the delegation chair is a Romney-Bot.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Nope. Ron will be too old. Rand is definitely not the answer. We need to seriously take a step back after this and think about what we can do. Politics is a joke, and maybe we should just let the R's and D's self destruct. It's time for philosophy over politics.

I beg to differ. Ron Paul doesn't need to run for the GOP nomination ever again (especially after this spectacular hosing by the power elite). But he can run for the LP nomination in 2016, while Rand runs for the Republican nomination. He can offer to pull out IF RAND IS NOT CHEATED out of winning the GOP race. That gives the hacks no where to run to escape the Liberty movement. This will ensure a Paul (one way or another) will be on the ballot on Election day 2016.