***Official Tuesday Live Convention Thread***

[Mini-Me]

Oh, what shit: They're now all of a sudden following the rules, so only Paul Ryan can be nominated for VP.

 

[Havax]

A Romney win will set back the liberty movement 16 years.

 

[phill4paul]

It certainly is, and if we ALL stick to this things will absolutely get better for all us.

We can't quit, and we can't run. These people make me too disgusted to leave, we have to stay until we've driven them back into their holes and so despaired them so that they're the ones who don't ever want to vote.

But, we can deny the establishment GOP the nomination for POTUS. And let the KNOW that we are denying them the nomination. THAT is how you influence them.

 

[Dr.3D]

The GOP seems intent on shooting itself in the foot.

 

[gjdavis60]

These people are scared. Scared enough to make fools of themselves on national TV. They want us out so bad that they would rather lose elections than win and risk losing control of "their" party to us. I don't think we should take the bait. I think we should keep taking over county and state Republican organizations until we have the majority on their precious RNC. As long as they stick to their tired policies and rhetoric and as long as the standard of living of average people continues to decline, they don't have a prayer of stopping us. It is simply a matter of time ... as long as we do not lose our will.

 

[rrcamp]

Is anyone else seriously freaked out how 1984ish this all is? All the talk about the evil debt (remember Bush?), bailouts (remember Bush?), Obomacare (remember Romnycare?). I swear to god this is like "We were always at war with Eurasia..." This wasn't even like 10 years ago! Everyone in that room was alive during that time! We have YouTube for Christ's sake!

 

[Acala]

Why do everything possible to disenfranchise Paul supporters they need to beat Obama. Amazing.

Because a win for liberty in your own party is as bad as a loss to the other side when what is at stake is crony-capitalist riches.

 

[S.Shorland]

At least the idealism around the world that followed Obama has been destroyed forever (I hope).I really don't know who will be worse out of the two of them.

 

[QWDC]

In the winner take all states where some voted for Ron, will there be any repercussions for them from the state parties who "bounded" them? I know the main RNC doesn't care but I'm not sure what the states who set those rules will think.

 

[Mini-Me]

A Romney win will set back the liberty movement 16 years.

It's not that bad...but close. A Romney win in 2012 and loss in 2016 will likely make 2020 look like 2008 in terms of the malleability of the Republican base (setting us back 12 years at that point)...unless we take over the RNC with activists first. Then, the neocons are screwed. I'd rather they be screwed by 2016 though, because I dont' know how long we have.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

i cant believe ron wants us to stay in this party >.>

If we weren't involved Romney would've taken Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, etc.

Stay in the fight Paulites!

 

[Acala]

There people are scared. Scared enough to make fools of themselves on national TV. They want us out so bad that they would rather lose elections than win and risk losing control of "their" party to us. I don't think we should take the bait. I think we should keep taking over county and state Republican organizations until we have the majority on their precious RNC. As long as they stick to their tired policies and rhetoric and as long as the standard of living of average people continues to decline, they don't have a prayer of stopping us. It is simply a matter of time ... as long as we do not lose our will.

Agreed

 

[mport1]

Is it time for GJ now?.

No, I refuse to sacrifice my principles and vote for somebody who isn't a principled pro-liberty candidate.

 

[jhk07]

Turn your attention to local races and offices! We have to take this over from the ground up, same way this movement has been built over the last 5 years (and longer). We tried to win by going after the HIGHEST office in the land and that's a hell of a mountain to climb. We did well, better than anyone expected, but it's not how you win the long term. Run for local office, support local, state and congressional candidates, take the party over from the inside. Giving up doesn't do anything for anyone and certainly doesn't spread the message of liberty.

where have you been ? It was stacked at the local level. They'll only raise the bar, or change the rules. Mobocracy has killed the Republic.

 

[Eire4RonPaul]

Voting for Gary Johnson would just encourage the Libertarian party to keep doing what they are doing (remember Bob Barr) - I'm writing in RON PAUL until the Libertarian party can put together a serious Liberty candidate.

The Libertarian Party were seconds away from nominating Mary Ruwart, an Anarcho-Capitalist in the turest sense of the word in '08. The only reason Barr got the nod was because the mainstream got ahead in the votes but the Anarchists usually rule that party. In 88 the anarchists nominated Ron Paul. They went with Gary Johnson because Johnson has the most experience and they hope to appeal to the ordinary person in the street. I love RP, but Libertarianism is the main goal (not one man) so it's Johnson '12.

If Johnson wins, Ron Paul will smoke a joint in happiness...

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Like the past 40 years? No way. Take over the state parties and throw the RNC into the cold. Replace them, and then we can start winning nominations.

Yup, are we fighters or folders?

I enjoy seeing Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada bloody the nose of the RNC.

 

[playpianoking]

??I heard overwhelming nay on Paul Ryan. AM I WRONG?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

WTF! - no one is demanding a recorded vote for VP???



-t

 

[Havax]

He called for yay's and nay's at the same time so all you could hear was noise. Probably staged that way.

 

[Mini-Me]

??I heard overwhelming nay on Paul Ryan. AM I WRONG?

Our dissent doesn't matter when we're not the ones guiding the proceedings...