Obama's Amnesty to cost $2 Trillion over the next 5 decades

[Acala]

But introducing millions of new voters, most of whom will vote for oppressors will set us back.

Just an FYI: I live in Tucson so I know MANY Mexicans. In my experience they are not even slightly more inclined than Anglos to support our brutal and corrupt foreign policy, or the drug war, or limits on gun ownership, to name three pretty damn important issues. In fact, they are probably better on those issues than most Anglos.

 

[jmdrake]

Since "illegals" aren't eligible for any of what you mentioned, they are coming for jobs.

Well their babies born here aren't illegal so they qualify for everything. That said, they are being driven here by the economic destruction that is NAFTA and the political destruction that is the war on drugs.

 

[Dianne]

2 trillion is being very conservative. This illegal amnesty will cost far more.

I agree with you. That 2 trillion figure seems more likely in one decade, especially when we're already paying over $252. per day per person just to house them. Can you imagine, housing cost per year for just one illegal immigrant is $91,980. Then add government provided medical care, education, dental care. Our government is totally off their rockers, and completely out of control spending so much money on such nonsense.

 

[jmdrake]

They had to go out fifty years to try to get a scary enough number, eh? It is impossible to project costs of anything out fifty years.

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare, foodstamps, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, or Obamacare. They aren't eligible to become citizens and can't vote either.

They aren't being given legal status or more rights- only as far as saying they won't be deported during the next two years if they apply and are approved.

You didn't actually read or listen to Obama's speech did you? Nor are you familiar with immigration law are you?

First the speech.
Now here is the thing. We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or illegal residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

And...

Are we a nation that accepts the cruelty of ripping children from their parents’ arms, or are we a nation that values families and works together to keep them together? Are we a nation that educates the world’s best and brightest in our universities only to send them home to create businesses in countries that compete against us, or are we a nation that encourages them to stay and create jobs here, create businesses here, create industries right here in America? That’s what this debate is all about.

Illegal immigrants being sent home after being educated in our universities? Say it ain't so! Actually someone that fit into that category would qualify for H1B status. But back to your point about welfare. Now the law part.

The 1996 welfare law created two categories of immigrants for benefits eligibility purposes: “qualified” and “not qualified.” Contrary to what these names suggest, the law excluded most people in both groups from eligibility for many benefits, with a few exceptions. The qualified immigrant category includes:

Lawful permanent residents, or LPRs (persons with green cards).
Refugees, persons granted asylum or withholding of deportation/removal, and conditional entrants.
Persons granted parole by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for a period of at least one year.
Cuban and Haitian entrants.
Certain abused immigrants, their children, and/or their parents.[5]
Certain victims of trafficking.[6]
All other immigrants, including undocumented immigrants as well as many persons lawfully present in the U.S., are considered “not qualified.”[7]

In 2000, Congress established a new category of noncitizens, victims of trafficking, who are eligible for federal public benefits to the same extent as refugees, regardless of whether they have a “qualified” immigrant status.[8] In 2003, Congress clarified that “derivative beneficiaries” listed on trafficking victims’ visa applications (spouses and children of adult trafficking victims; spouses, children, parents, and minor siblings of child victims) also may secure federal benefits.[9]

So these people being "brought out of the shadows" will most likely fit into the "Persons granted parole by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for a period of at least one year" which means they will qualify to receive welfare benefits.

 

[Michelangelo]

Sigh. If one were to bother looking into this study they'd notice a few things such as:

(1) Most of the welfare consumed in illegal alien/mixed status households comes from child services such as education. These are benefits that would need to be granted to these children regardless. These children will increase their future earnings (and future contributions as taxpayers) through this increase in human capital. It is therefore incorrect to conclude these are costs; they're investments.

I'm personally skeptical about how much education is really an investment, and would prefer both a reform on how education is funded (i.e. vouchers) and operated. But that's a topic for another day.

(2) Heritage is using a static model. New illegal aliens have few skills, but if anyone bothered to look at those who had been here longer they'd notice that they have increased their human capital over time. Illegal aliens are not irrational; like any other population group they are increasing their human capital to increase their future wages. If you believe that they aren't, then I'd be interested in seeing you develop economics from scratch with irrational actors.

(3) Even if a legislative amnesty is passed, evidence from past amnesties show few will bother to become citizens. That is to say they won't receive welfare benefits. The Clinton era welfare reforms effectively barred most welfare from migrants - and certainly we could use further welfare reform. Furthermore this population has a lower life expectancy than the general population; i.e. they will die long before they can significantly draw from social security and other welfare programs for the elderly.

And one last tibit;

If you look at intra-USA migration patterns you will see the illegal alien population is disproportionately located in those states with the least welfare access (and higher economic activityactivity). If they are genuinely here for mythical welfare benefits, why aren't they all in California? Why is there a disproportionate amount of them in North Carolina and Texas? Neither state is exactly known for being generous in welfare.

 

[anaconda]

Defund.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Well their babies born here aren't illegal so they qualify for everything. That said, they are being driven here by the economic destruction that is NAFTA and the political destruction that is the war on drugs.

As I have previously posed to opponents of immigration, if you're so concerned about a growing population that will be granted welfare, why not support sterilization of existing American citizens? Their offspring will automatically receive the same benefits you're worried about but at a quicker pace and in higher numbers.

 

[FloralScent]

...why not support sterilization of existing American citizens?

Let's start it and end it with you.

 

[Dianne]

Since "illegals" aren't eligible for any of what you mentioned, they are coming for jobs.

As soon as they get a green card, they are eligible for every give away program this country has to offer. And you are absolutely incorrect they are not eligible for some of the benefits now. School systems throughout the country have been forced to accept all the children that came over this summer, expand classroom sizes and hire spanish speaking teachers to accomodate them at a tremendous expense. Then tax payers are paying for their housing. Also, you missed the fact that 40% of those on Medicaid are illegal immigrants.

You need to do a little bit of reading, because you are completely uninformed and misguided. I am for people like youself donating your money to for housing, education and medical care. Handle this through charity, not executive order.

 

[GreedyHenry]

Just an FYI: I live in Tucson so I know MANY Mexicans. In my experieince they are not even slightly more inclined than Anglos to support our brutal and corrupt foreign policy, or the drug war, or limits on gun ownership, to name three pretty damn important issues. In fact, they are probably better on those issues than most Anglos.

I've found Mexicans less likely to be bootlickers than whites as well.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Let's start it and end it with you.

So you complain about welfare but yet you want to give more power to the government through allowing it to block out the free market by restricting the movement of people.

If you were really that concerned with the growth of welfare, why wouldn't you support sterilization? But go ahead and continue to ignore my point and use them illegals as your scapegoat.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

As soon as they get a green card, they are eligible for every give away program this country has to offer. And you are absolutely incorrect they are not eligible for some of the benefits now. School systems throughout the country have been forced to accept all the children that came over this summer, expand classroom sizes and hire spanish speaking teachers to accomodate them at a tremendous expense. Then tax payers are paying for their housing. Also, you missed the fact that 40% of those on Medicaid are illegal immigrants.

You need to do a little bit of reading, because you are completely uninformed and misguided. I am for people like youself donating your money to for housing, education and medical care. Handle this through charity, not executive order.

Compared to other nationalities, Mexican immigrants are typically the last to receive green cards, so no, a majority of them are not eligible for benefits.

And if you are so concerned with the increasing cost of public education in this country, attack the problem at its source and not through immigration. Even if immigration was to return to its pre-2008 levels (before the economic collapse), children of immigrants would still only amount to a fraction of the education costs that existing American families and their children already present.

 

[Acala]

We could build an insurmountable wall around the border and gather up every single illegal and all their children and dump them on the other side and we would have done exactly nothing to solve the problems that are killing this country. Red Herring.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Compared to other nationalities, Mexican immigrants are typically the last to receive green cards, so no, a majority of them are not eligible for benefits.

And if you are so concerned with the increasing cost of public education in this country, attack the problem at its source and not through immigration. Even if immigration was to return to its pre-2008 levels (before the economic collapse), children of immigrants would still only amount to a fraction of the education costs that existing American families and their children already present.

The largest allocation of "green cards" is to go to people from countries "most underrepresented" in the US. That puts those from Mexico towards the bottom of the pile.

The number of illegal immigrants in the country is less than it was in 2007. Net immigration from Mexico has been zero (legal and illegal) for several years now. Asia is the current source of immigrants (legal and illegal) coming to the US.

 

[Danke]

Businesses to receive incentive for hiring illegal immigrants, report says



Nov. 25, 2014: President Obama addresses the crowd on issues surrounding the protests in Ferguson, Mo., after meeting with community leaders about the executive actions he is taking to fix the immigration system (AP)

Businesses will have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegal immigrants or native-born workers under President Obama’s sweeping action on illegal immigration.

Because of a kink in ObamaCare, businesses will not face a penalty for not providing illegal immigrants health care, The Washington Times reports. Illegal immigrants are ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on ObamaCare’s health exchanges.

Congressional aides condemned the loophole saying it puts illegal immigrants ahead of Americans in the job hunt.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican told The Washington Times. “The president’s actions would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

Fighting hecklers in Chicago Tuesday, Obama praised the contributions to the U.S. by a broad patchwork of immigrants, saying it is imperative that the U.S. act now to change its broken immigration policy. He cited studies showing that immigrants open one-fourth of all new U.S. businesses and that 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children.

"Being a nation of immigrants gives us this huge entrepreneurial advantage over other nations," he said.

Obama’s executive action could make nearly 5 million immigrants eligible to avoid deportation.

At issue is the extent of Obama's executive actions. The measures would apply to parents of U.S. citizens or of legal permanent residents. The parents would have to have lived in the U.S. for at least five years. Obama also expanded a program designed to extend deportation protections to immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally as children.

But in a blow to some immigrant activists, Obama did not provide protections for parents of such young immigrants who are known as Dreamers.

 

[Danke]

Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action

Federal law says that people who pay the taxes and are deemed “lawfully present in the United States” can collect benefits under those programs when they become eligible. They may also receive survivor and disability benefits.

“If they pay in, they can draw,” White House spokesman Shawn Turner said by e-mail.

Turner noted, however, that the estimated 5 million immigrants granted protection from deportation will not be eligible for other federal benefits such as student financial aid, food stamps or housing subsidies. Nor are they eligible to purchase health insurance through the federal health-care exchange under the Affordable Care Act.

Republicans said Tuesday that they were surprised that illegal immigrants covered by the president’s executive action would be in line to someday receive benefits under Social Security and Medicare, which are the cornerstones of government-provided economic security for elderly Americans...

...over the longer haul, he added, they are likely to draw more out of the system than they contribute — as is the case with nearly every Medicare recipient and with many Social Security recipients who worked low-paying jobs.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

this is one of the dumbest thread titles in the history of RPFs... 50 years.. really??? get real

 

[tod evans]

We could build an insurmountable wall around the border and gather up every single illegal and all their children and dump them on the other side and we would have done exactly nothing to solve the problems that are killing this country. Red Herring.

^^^^^^^^^^^^Yup! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Dianne]

Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...1caefe-74d4-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html

Obamacare offers firms $3,000 incentive to hire illegals over native-born workers

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/

 

[alucard13mm]

Illegal immigrants could receive Social Security, Medicare under Obama action

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...1caefe-74d4-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html

Obamacare offers firms $3,000 incentive to hire illegals over native-born workers

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/

All this for freedom eh? As I said before... we just lost a lot of progress. Whatever voters we won over in the last 10 years will be replaced with new voters that will vote for big government. Most people will vote for the party or politician that will give them the most free stuff or money.