Obama wants 2 FREE years of Community college for all students!

I don't see this as being all bad program, obviously its not exactly libertarian but I just see it as a much better investment than incarceration (which we already have and costs over $40k/per per person)


edit: of all the shitty things our government spends its money on, CC doesn't seem like it would be that bad in comparison.

But it is not an alternative to prison ... which might be an interesting proposition however perverse an incentive (perhaps for nonviolent offenders). I also fear the cost will fall on those who do not qualify. Not 'fear', of course it will.

If one didn't qualify for free tuition, what kind of a stink ought they make competing for class time, internships/jobs, etc, with those who do qualify. Also, it is feel good BS which is formalizing an already cheap and often subsidized resource. What legal to buy items won't the goverment buy and foist into our hands? Guns....
 
Paying for CC is much better than paying for prisons and incarceration (IMO). Also, it provides America with a higher skilled workforce.

I don't see this as being all bad program, obviously its not exactly libertarian but I just see it as a much better investment than incarceration (which we already have and costs over $40k/per per person)


edit: of all the shitty things our government spends its money on, CC doesn't seem like it would be that bad in comparison.

that's like saying paying for rehab is better than paying for imprisoning nonviolent drug offenders, it's a false choice, why do I have to pay for either?
 
This free college concept is a total ripoff on all we hold sacred.

I look at it this way. The people with real assets are smart enough to know that some just are not worthy of the liquidation of hard earned and won assets. Sure many students are worthy and many assets are put up on a need be basis.

This counterfeiting of cash to put the unworthy through school is a way to get in the back door and loot the hard earned and won assets.

Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear.

Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him.

You own half of everything and so do I.

I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank.

You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with.

All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world!

That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED.

That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up.


Anyway that is what is going to happen when they start counterfeiting for their latest war on education. I really don't think they are thinking of people. I think they are thinking is that they've come up with another way to possibly make a profit for themselves on some of these loans. When the bubble collapses they will bail themselves out with more counterfeit leaving us holding the bag.

More lives destroyed and a dollar weaker and more jobs lost as a result. You don't need a collage education to see that they are lowlifes ripping us off.
 
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what if you could fund it by abolishing ALL foreign aid? or replacing income and race based financial aid with grade based?
 
what if you could fund it by abolishing ALL foreign aid? or replacing income and race based financial aid with grade based?

the first financial aids are grade and merit based, income and ethnic group based ones are a recent invention.
 
So where in the U.S. Constitution does it enumerate powers to oversee national education and community service?

Am I the only one that feels like they are missing something here?
 
So where in the U.S. Constitution does it enumerate powers to oversee national education and community service?

Am I the only one that feels like they are missing something here?

But but but but but Socialism FTW! You has a Rite to everything every1 alse has worked hard to urn!

(Could be speeled "earn" instead of "urn", eather weigh, it is a Death Sentense)
 
But I thought it was free???


Obama’s free community college plan has $60 billion price tag

President Barack Obama proposed offering two years of community college free of charge to Americans “willing to work for it,” and the White House announced Friday the plan would cost $60 billion over 10 years.

According to White House spokesman Ed Schultz, states involved in the program would contribute $20 billion, while the federal government provides the rest.

The initiative, which President Obama officially announced on Friday at a Tennessee community college, is said to be aimed at addressing growing income inequality. The White House says by 2020 it is estimated that 35 percent of job openings will require at least a bachelor’s degree, and 30 percent will require an associate’s degree.

"Community college should be free for those willing to work for it because, in America, a quality education should not be a privilege that is reserved for a few," Obama said in a speech at Pellissippi State Community College. He said a high school diploma is no longer enough for American workers to compete in the global economy and that a college degree is "the surest ticket to the middle class."

Forty percent of college students are enrolled at one of America’s more than 1,100 community colleges, which offer affordable tuition, open admissions policies and convenient locations – and the courses are suitable for students who are older, working, in need of remedial classes or can only take classes part-time.

Obama plans to push the proposal during his State of the Union address on January 20, and will be seeking a Republican Congress to support his $60 billion idea.

The White House estimated that 9 million students could eventually participate and save an average of $3,800 in tuition per year if they attend full-time. Students would qualify if they attend at least halftime, maintain a 2.5 grade point average and make progress toward completing a degree or certificate program. Participating schools would have to meet certain academic requirements.

Tuition and fees at community college averaged $3,347 in the 2014-2015 school year, compared to $9,139 at public, four-year universities, and $31,231 at private colleges, according to The New York Times.

The federal government, however, already spends lots of money on student aid, according to National Public Radio – $47 billion on grants a year, $101 billion in loans (which are repaid), and another $20 billion in tax credits. When including state, federal and private money going to defray the cost of tuition – separate from state appropriations going directly to institutions – some $247 billion is spent per year.

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Obama’s plan would alleviate the financial burden on many who could now choose to attend community colleges for their first two years, but it does little to address the skyrocketing cost of tuition at four-year universities, where many community college students transfer after one or two years.

Federal Pell Grants for low-income students used to cover much or all of their costs at four-year universities, but now they cover just 34 percent of tuition, fees, and room-and-board – and states have been making reductions to their support for higher education since 2008. In Michigan, state financial aid plummeted by $135 million, or over 60 percent. In Iowa, spending on public universities dropped by 20 percent, or $141 million.

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http://rt.com/usa/221311-obama-free-college-cost/
 
This has to be the biggest load of bullshitting lie of a statement since the last lies of last week.

My goodness, who the hell believes these government shit statements?

$3800 for Community College? ...maybe after Washington DC gets done artificially inflating costs and installing the Special Interest Middle Men. Then there's the taxes/fees/theft to inflate prices... eventually it all leads back to the same criminal groups robbing the people of their wealth through PONZI/PYRAMID/CON JOB schemes.

I don't think you are reading it correctly. The idea is to steer people away from 4 yr colleges in the first 2 years and replace it with community colleges. So the savings is the difference per semester between a traditional 4 yr college and a community college. Just the same way a person buy ham burgers instead of steak is saving money. A student who goes to community college the first 2 years for their general courses will actually save more than that in a year.

$3800 is just the difference in cost between the 2 not the cost of going to a community college.
 
But it is not an alternative to prison ... which might be an interesting proposition however perverse an incentive (perhaps for nonviolent offenders). I also fear the cost will fall on those who do not qualify. Not 'fear', of course it will.

If one didn't qualify for free tuition, what kind of a stink ought they make competing for class time, internships/jobs, etc, with those who do qualify. Also, it is feel good BS which is formalizing an already cheap and often subsidized resource. What legal to buy items won't the goverment buy and foist into our hands? Guns....

I read somewhere that the requirement is like having a 2.5 GPA. If that is true, then there is no real fear of this being a problem. Cos if you cant get a 2.5 GPA then college shouldn't be a concern for you.

One of my classmates went to school in Belgium where tuition was free or almost free to citizens and over there the entrance to University is open to everyone just as long as you can pass your exams. If not then you are kicked out and no amount of money will buy your way back in. And quite frankly, I have no problem with having an academic achievement requirement for entrance or staying to universities
 
So where in the U.S. Constitution does it enumerate powers to oversee national education and community service?

Am I the only one that feels like they are missing something here?

you're a little late to complain about the Dept of Ed having been established 30 years ago.
 
you're a little late to complain about the Dept of Ed having been established 30 years ago.

Cops have always murdered innocent people... why complain now?
We have been in wars with towel-heads for over ten years, why pull out now?
I've faked disability to get a free government check for nearly 12 years, why take it away now...?

Your statement is about as dumb as those phrases above. C'mon, put your thinking cap on.
 
Cops have always murdered innocent people... why complain now?
We have been in wars with towel-heads for over ten years, why pull out now?
I've faked disability to get a free government check for nearly 12 years, why take it away now...?

Your statement is about as dumb as those phrases above. C'mon, put your thinking cap on.

I'll tell you why.

I wouldn't argue any of those are Constitutional issues. I would only argue that any further use of government and force is morally, practically but also legally wrong.

So, for practical purposes, I don't see why 2 more years of free education is going to hurt anybody other than people who depend on accounting for tuition collection and a fractional burden on taxpayers. I can hate it on principle, but I laugh when somebody acts like this will destroy college education as if it's worth anything today. This kind of mentality is a lot like the Teabagger creed : everything was perfect until 2008 when Americans elected a Kenyan born socialist.
 
Uhhhh, Community College Education Is Already Free, Mr. President

Education: President Obama is announcing a $60 billion plan to make two years of community college "free." Hold on. The College Board reports that that a two-year public education is already effectively free. This is pork.

As with all of his spending plan proposals, President Obama thinks big. On Thursday, he told a community college audience in Knoxville, Tenn., of his new 10-year, $60 billion plan to provide "free" college tuition to nine million students across the country, an idea that the left will lap up.

As always, he tried to sell it as a bootstrap initiative.

"Community colleges should be free for those willing to work for it," Obama said. "It's not a blank check, not a free lunch, but for those willing to do the work ... it can be a game-changer."

He'd have you think that nine million people are being shut out of "the middle class" for lack of money, as if federal grants, federal loans, private scholarships and the bloated Department of Education never existed.

It's a straw man. The reality is that community college is essentially not only free, it's actually profitable.

According to the latest 2013 Trends In Pricing Report from the College Board, the average (not honors or scholarship) student enrolled full time in a two-year public college in 2013-14 "receives enough funding through tax benefits and grant aid from all sources to cover tuition and fees, plus about $1,550 in other expenses." With average tuition and fees at $3,260 and average total grants at $4,810, that's a net gain in income.

President Obama's plans to make college "tuition-free" are little more than an effort to further federalize and Obama-fy education, just as he did health care — and with the same kinds of unintended consequences.

To start with, the community college system is not broken — in fact, it's one of the best options for students of any stripe. Classes tend to serve those with a purpose-driven educational aim and offer excellent vocational training to those who seek it.

Costs are mostly affordable even without aid and can be financed by a student earning McDonald's wages.

Moreover, these institutions tend to be loaded with top teaching talent — including professors with real-world experience and highly motivated teachers who cannot break into the leaden public school system with its rigid seniority system.

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Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-edito...s-already-free-mr-president.htm#ixzz3P01CxQl4
 
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