OBAMA TO GRANT IMMUNITY TO YOUNG ILLEGALS

The nation is a collectivist entity. Nationalism is not patriotism, they are opposed concepts (nationalism means "love of the state", patriotism means "love of countrymen").
The nation is not synonymous with country (one means "state", one means "people"...hence "nation-state" not "country-state") Nationalism and statism are mental disorders.

A nation, is a collectivized group of people with a common language, culture, ethnicity, geographic descent, or history.

A country, is a government-lead state with political commonality.

Your definitions are backwards.
 
When you are a nation in fear of terrorists everywhere, it makes no sense to be cool with allowing millions of illegals to stay in the country. Obviously they are either not worried about terrorism, or they are inviting it to happen. Either way the govt is seriously making a mistake.

Personally, I am not worried about a bunch of mexicans. The problem is the welfare state and the ongoing drug war. Welfare state has a bunch of non immigrants stealing from me too, and the drug war empowers those who live under the radar. Honestly, most of the illegals I know are working for their money, and working hard. My helper (im an electrician) has over stayed his visa, but I don't want to see him gone. There is just no better help than him. Americans are lazy. These guys are willing to do the job - and if you ever watch them work, they are extremely efficient. They don't ask for much other than a paycheck.

On the other hand there are some black people who get govt money down the road from me. They have all day to try and do something productive, and they refuse. Grass is over grown, lots of parties and people sitting around. At night things get stolen. Those are the people I want gone. Latinos are generally respectful of authority and rules. They are here because there is lots of work that is available and americans can't or wont do the work.

I actually saw a special on CNN not long ago. And they reported that the first three months of 2012, the U.S. Border Patrol detained around 30,000 non mexicans crossing the U.S./Mexico border; mostly males from those countries listed in this article. Now you can imagine, if 30,000 were stopped; how many made it across?

http://usopenborders.com/2012/02/channel-2-uncovers-proof-terrorists-crossed-mexican-border/

The U.S. Border Patrol has captured thousands of people they say are classified as OTM which stands for “other than Mexican.” Documents show many of them are from terrorists nations like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan and Yemen. Federal authorities call those groups SIAs, which stands for “special interest aliens”.

Federal officials have offered few details about the number of actual terrorists caught along the border.

Retired immigration agent Michael Cutler says the actual threat is being covered up. “Incredibly the government is attempting to keep the citizens like a bunch of mushrooms. Keep us in the dark and feed us a bunch of manure.”

Government officials have denied that terrorists have crossed our open border. Still, Channel 2 Action News has proof they have. Channel 2 Anchor Justin Farmer found documents filed in federal court in San Antonio, Texas, in May. They show an indictment against Ahmed Muhammad Dhakane for allegedly smuggling hundreds of people from Brazil to Mexico, then into the U.S. The federal indictment states it includes some Somalis from the terrorist group Al Shabob. Terrorism experts say the group is responsible for terrorist attacks and suicide bombings worldwide.
 
Borders should be closed, this is a sovereign county.
If you came here illegally, then you are a criminal and should be deported.
If you come here illegally with intentions to have a child that is born in a America, they should deport you and your child.
If you hire an illegal then you should be fined, closed, your business license revoked, and denied application for a new business license.

Why do I feel this way?
I lost my job when my boss replaced my crew with illegals that spoke no English, then replaced me with someone that spoke English & Spanish!
I gave 15 years to that company and what do I get for it?
I get to watch as the years I spent training a crew got wasted as they and I were replaced by some criminal scum that cant even answer a question for a customer!

Your boss must have hired them for a reason. Why do you think it's necessary to get a license to practice business? Start your own business. Just because bad things happen to good people in this economy, that doesn't mean we should make it worse by reinforcing the already stifling regulations with more regulations.
 
Barry Soetoro is just attempting to set himself up with retroactive citizenship, for when he is to ultimately be exposed, by real investigators such as Sheriff Arpaio and crew, Jerome Corsi, and now Lord Monckton.

Who are these people? I know who Lord Monckton is, but who are those other people?
 
As long as the illegals are playing by the same rules I have to live by (they are paying taxes etc) and are not criminals I don't really care.

We need to stop all of the government incentives that give these people benefits on the expense of the taxpayers though.
 
I have been working at an immigration law firm for about a year, and while I am certainly not an expert on immigration law (which can be pretty convoluted), I do have some experience. I cannot help but think that this is just a blend of "It's for the children" legislation and a money-making scheme. The law is not currently in effect, but the U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services has been advised to begin working out how to implement this. I quickly scanned the criteria yesterday, and there were about five or six requirements. Of what I remember off hand:

1. Alien must have entered the U.S. before the age of 14 years.
2. Alien must not be over the age of 30 years.
3. Alien must have resided in the U.S. for at least 5 years.
4. Alien must not have committed serious offenses.

Of course, there will be the accompanying filing fees (and attorney fees if they use legal representation). I would imagine there will be plenty of people that can qualify, and I would speculate that the filing fee would be somewhere around $500 to $1,500 per applicant.

Meanwhile, U.S. citizens have to pay $1,490 (plus attorney fees potentially) in order to gain Permanent Residence for an alien spouse and wait 3 years for naturalization (Non-spouse immigrants can generally naturalize in 5 years after gaining Permanent Residence. And they have to sign and Affidavit of Support, which is essentially an enforceable contract in which the U.S. citizen petitioner agrees to pay the spouse if they separate (The idea is to ensure that the immigrant does not end up using means-tested federal benefits).

There are already ways for illegal children to become Permanent Residents. Any child under the jurisdiction of a juvenile court, due to neglect, abuse, or abandonment, can easily gain permanent residence and naturalize in 5 years. Even illegal aliens that marry U.S. citizens get forgiven, and can naturalize in three years. What bothers me, as a U.S. citizen by birthright (for what that's worth), is that if I wanted to marry a woman that resides in a foreign nation, I would have to pay plenty of filing fees and wait several months until the consulate issues her a visa before she could live with me. Meanwhile, people who simply enter illegally get no such hassle if the U.S. citizen spouse files for them.
 
Your boss must have hired them for a reason. Why do you think it's necessary to get a license to practice business? Start your own business. Just because bad things happen to good people in this economy, that doesn't mean we should make it worse by reinforcing the already stifling regulations with more regulations.
So your answer is we all start our own business? Yes let's all just start companies and hire illegals, what could go wrong?

Sure he or she hired them for a reason, they were willing to work for less than the market supported.
 
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As long as the illegals are playing by the same rules I have to live by (they are paying taxes etc) and are not criminals I don't really care.

We need to stop all of the government incentives that give these people benefits on the expense of the taxpayers though.

How are they playing by the same rules you have to live by? Did you sneak into Mexico or some other country and falsify your identity?
 
Raudsarw, your take might make a lot of sense... to an 11 year old.


If someone breaks into your home while your gone, and robs you blind, forget about calling the police - or attempting to use the justice system to regain your losses.

The police and justice system, set up by criminal organization known as the government, is not to be regarded.


Enjoy complete anarchy.

I'm sure it'll work out for ya just the way you want it to.

How I read this:

"I need someone to take care of me and protect me at all times. I can't make rational decisions myself because I'm not responsible or intelligent enough."
 
As long as the illegals are playing by the same rules I have to live by (they are paying taxes etc) and are not criminals I don't really care.

We need to stop all of the government incentives that give these people benefits on the expense of the taxpayers though.

THIS.

No welfare benefits and criminal behavior= aliens should be welcome.

Most do not realize that the strongest economic times came from immigrant migration to the US, especially when there was not a bunch of draconian laws to keep them out. If they are working, they are helping the economy, not taking from it.

Many immigrants were hated by those that had previously immigrated. The Irish were treated abominably; now it is Mexicans. My person POV is that all the current hype on "illegal" immigration is to get Americans to accept a National ID.

Getting rid of the WoD will also dry up over-the-border illegal issues.
 
THIS.

No welfare benefits and criminal behavior= aliens should be welcome.

Most do not realize that the strongest economic times came from immigrant migration to the US, especially when there was not a bunch of draconian laws to keep them out. If they are working, they are helping the economy, not taking from it.

Many immigrants were hated by those that had previously immigrated. The Irish were treated abominably; now it is Mexicans. My person POV is that all the current hype on "illegal" immigration is to get Americans to accept a National ID.

Getting rid of the WoD will also dry up over-the-border illegal issues.

All well and good. Meanwhile, back in realityville, there is going to be no ending of welfare or the war on drugs unless RP gets elected.

So your points are moot.
 
As long as the illegals are playing by the same rules I have to live by (they are paying taxes etc) and are not criminals I don't really care.

We need to stop all of the government incentives that give these people benefits on the expense of the taxpayers though.

so that leaves us with MAYBE 1/4 of the illegal immigrant population. a lot of people forget that 75+% of them commit fraud and identity theft to work here, which in many cases hurts US citizens. think about the impact it makes when one steals the SSN of a child and runs up a massive medical bill that they will never pay. that ruins people, and far too often it is the identity of children being stolen.

i do agree with the second sentence though, the best way to deal with the issue is to cut off benefits and jobs.
 
All well and good. Meanwhile, back in realityville, there is going to be no ending of welfare or the war on drugs unless RP gets elected.

So your points are moot.

So, RP is the only person in the whole nation that understands this? Better get off your duff and do something about it then.

The town I am in has a 25% population of Hispanics that do all the work for the rich folk. They are not on welfare and they work their asses off. They are also part of the reason this area supports the affluent.

Illegal immigration has been going down for years- it is only news worthy so that people can run around with their hands in the air and demand that government be even more involved in their lives.
 
so that leaves us with MAYBE 1/4 of the illegal immigrant population. a lot of people forget that 75+% of them commit fraud and identity theft to work here, which in many cases hurts US citizens. think about the impact it makes when one steals the SSN of a child and runs up a massive medical bill that they will never pay. that ruins people, and far too often it is the identity of children being stolen.

i do agree with the second sentence though, the best way to deal with the issue is to cut off benefits and jobs.

You DO know that the SSN is unconstitutional?
 
Total estimated illegal aliens in the US has been declining since 2007. Down by over two million- from 12.6 million to 10.3 million.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/opinion/the-next-immigration-challenge.html
THE immigration crisis that has roiled American politics for decades has faded into history. Illegal immigration is shrinking to a trickle, if that, and will likely never return to the peak levels of 2000. Just as important, immigrants who arrived in the 1990s and settled here are assimilating in remarkable and unexpected ways.

Taken together, these developments, and the demographic future they foreshadow, require bold changes in our approach to both legal and illegal immigration. Put simply, we must shift from an immigration policy, with its emphasis on keeping newcomers out, to an immigrant policy, with an emphasis on encouraging migrants and their children to integrate into our social fabric. “Show me your papers” should be replaced with “Welcome to English class.”

Restrictionists, including those driving much of the debate on the Republican primary trail, still talk as if nothing has changed. But the numbers are stark: the total number of immigrants, legal and illegal, arriving in the 2000s grew at half the rate of the 1990s, according to the Census Bureau.

The most startling evidence of the falloff is the effective disappearance of illegal border crossers from Mexico, with some experts estimating the net number of new Mexicans settling in the United States at zero. The size of the illegal-immigrant population peaked in 2007, with about 58 percent of it of Mexican origin, according to the Pew Hispanic Center; since 2008, that population has shrunk by roughly 200,000 a year. Illegal immigrants from Asia and other parts of the globe have similarly dwindled in numbers.

This new equilibrium is here to stay, in large part because Mexico’s birthrate is plunging. In 1970 a Mexican woman, on average, gave birth to 6.8 babies, and when they entered their 20s, millions journeyed north for work. Today the country’s birthrate — at 2.1 — is approaching that of the United States. That portends a shrinking pool of young adults to meet Mexico’s future labor needs, and less competition for jobs at home.

If the number of immigrants is declining, what about that other nativist bugbear, assimilation? There’s little doubt that immigrants’ potential as economic contributors turns on their ability to assimilate. Fortunately, recent studies by John Pitkin, Julie Park and me show that immigrant parents and children, especially Latinos, are making extraordinary strides in assimilating.

Today, barely a third of adult immigrants have a high-school diploma. But the children of Latino immigrants have always outperformed their parents in educational achievement. By 2030 we expect 80 percent of their children who arrived in the 1990s before age 10 to have completed high school and 18 percent to have a bachelor’s degree.
 
All the more people to vote for him and all the more people to kill with drones. Its a double win for that maggot.
 
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