Obama is a Muslim, or Why Texans Are Dumb

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What's really sad is that Muslim to most people = Terrorist. That is the picture that has been painted for the last 8 years. Many Americans could not even find that area on a map and knew little if nothing about their way off life. This was purely planned and well executed. This was the #1 objective right out of the starting gate. Still to this day those two words will be uttered back to back in what ever conversation or news cast might be happening and a lot of people will subconsciously take it in then they will go to the box and vote for McCain. Sadness ensues.

Yep...globalization of the Southern Strategy.

 

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It's not all black and white, he did go to a public school in Indonesia that was primarily Muslim, but they were not strict or fanatical Muslims, apparently. His father and his step father were both born and raised Muslim.

I was out putting up signs for a Congressional Candidate and met a nice old lady who just knew he was a muslim.

It is not as though the possibility of his being Muslim has been glommed onto completely at random. People are not exactly speculating about his being an interplanetary alien, the Messiah angle notwithstanding.

 

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I went to a Jesuit high school. Both my parents are Catholic. I'm agnostic. So much for education and upbringing.

I have also rejected the Catholicism of my youth...doesn't mean I'm not still influenced by that which was drilled into my head in my formative years.

As well, Catholicism does not have a radical arm with marching orders from God to kill me now that I have broken ranks.

FYI: If you live in Indonesia, could luck finding a public school that does not have some sort of Muslim leanings.

Correctamundo.

I don't know about you, but I was Catholic because I was born to a Catholic man. My mother converted to my father's religion.

Obama was born to a Muslim man. Subsequent to Muslim #1's disappearance, Obama's mother married another Muslim man and moved little Barack to a Muslim nation, where he attended Muslim schools.

Christianity enters the picture in his mid-20's, according to his straight-to-classic Race Speech. Which is also about the time he went into politics.

 

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Even if Obama was Muslim, why does it even matter?

It matters if he is dissembling about it, don't you think? He has said a number of things to date that vary considerably from his actions. Public financing, telecom immunity, no lobbyists in the White House...

It's not like he's suddenly going to strap-on a bomb and blow-up the White House.

Of course not.

Though it bears mention that 9/11, the sinking of the Titanic and the fall of Rome, to name but a few, were also held to be impossible.

We have plenty of Muslims that serve in our military.

Honorably, no doubt. Muslim is no more a one-size-fits-all deal than Christianity is. You got your good apples and you got your bad apples. But as bad apples go, I'm thinking that, now that the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition are behind us, Christianity does not feature a radically and demonstrably vengeful burn-it-to-the-ground-take-no-prisoners sect.

I still can't believe they make such an issue out of it and make it blatantly racist. At least attack Obama for his socialist leanings, insulting Muslims is not the answer.

Insulting ANYONE is not the answer. Do unto others...you know the drill.

HOWEVER, comma, there IS a radical fundamentalist branch of Islam...into which Osama Bin Laden was recruited, by an instructor, at a posh private high school in London...and this Entourage of Extremists DOES have marching orders from Allah to give us the old heave-ho.

Watch Henry Paulson loot the Treasury and know that Americans are among the most gullible people ON EARTH. "Oh! Look! A Trojan Horse! Seeee, the world DOES still think we're the bee's knees."

 

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How can you prove that he wasn't raised a muslim?

Can't be done.

They can't even prove that the bastard was even born in US territory at this point.

When I consider how easily and how swiftly he could lay that drama to rest, and then when I consider how he steadfastly doesn't do it, I am left to to suppose that he is hiding SOMETHING...maybe it is his birthplace, maybe it is something even MORE provocative and the birth certificate thing is "just" a distraction.

We are easily distracted. No staying power at all when it comes to gettin' to the bottom of things.

 

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How can you prove that he wasn't raised a muslim?

Okay, you're about to get a lesson in logic.

Try this: Prove YOU weren't raised a muslim. Go ahead, I'll wait...

Yeah, I know, you can't do it. You also can't "prove" that you don't run around the house wearing your Mom's bra and panties every day.

You can't disprove a negative.

I can claim you are a wife beater, a muslim, a terrorist, and a dog raper.

You can't "disprove" any of it.

Does that mean you are a wife beating, muslim, terrorist, dog raper?

Get it now?

The fact that Obama can't "disprove" that he's a Muslim no more makes him a muslim than the fact that you can't "disprove" my allegation that you rape puppies makes you a dog rapist.

 

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Okay, you're about to get a lesson in logic.

Try this: Prove YOU weren't raised a muslim. Go ahead, I'll wait...

Yeah, I know, you can't do it. You also can't "prove" that you don't run around the house wearing your Mom's bra and panties every day.

You can't disprove a negative.

I can claim you are a wife beater, a muslim, a terrorist, and a dog raper.

You can't "disprove" any of it.

Does that mean you are a wife beating, muslim, terrorist, dog raper?

Get it now?

The fact that Obama can't "disprove" that he's a Muslim no more makes him a muslim than the fact that you can't "disprove" my allegation that you rape puppies makes you a dog rapist.

Disingenuous. Speculation about Muslim influences were not plucked out of thin air. The man was born to a Muslim man, then was raised in the household of another Muslim man...in a Muslim country, attending Muslim schools...until he entered a posh private school in Hawaii.

Moreover, that Barack Obama is running for the presidency of the Disunited States of America puts rather a heavier burden of proof on him.

 

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Okay, you're about to get a lesson in logic.

Try this: Prove YOU weren't raised a muslim. Go ahead, I'll wait...

Yeah, I know, you can't do it. You also can't "prove" that you don't run around the house wearing your Mom's bra and panties every day.

You can't disprove a negative.

I can claim you are a wife beater, a muslim, a terrorist, and a dog raper.

You can't "disprove" any of it.

Does that mean you are a wife beating, muslim, terrorist, dog raper?

Get it now?

The fact that Obama can't "disprove" that he's a Muslim no more makes him a muslim than the fact that you can't "disprove" my allegation that you rape puppies makes you a dog rapist.

Exactly, so then i beg the OP's question why 23% of texans are dumb?

Because they dont buy the bullshit shoved down their throats by the media??

IMO, these people are less brainwash-worthy than the rest. They realize you can publicly profess you are a christian, then come home during the week drink blood worship satan and fuck pigs. Except, they think its a strong possibility that he is a closet muslim, and there is significant evidence to support he was raised so.

It's kind of a right of passage in US politics to make everyone believe you really are a christian.

 

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It matters if he is dissembling about it, don't you think? He has said a number of things to date that vary considerably from his actions. Public financing, telecom immunity, no lobbyists in the White House...

He's not a muslim, at worst, he's a follower of former Black Panthers which have toned down their rhetoric, certain people (Jermiah Wright) still hate the white man, etc. But I can show you a lot of people that hate the "white man" without using those type of words.

Of course not.

Though it bears mention that 9/11, the sinking of the Titanic and the fall of Rome, to name but a few, were also held to be impossible.

What does this have anything to do with Obama and him being a Muslim? I'm sorry but Muslim-Americans do not share the Middle Eastern Islam Extremist philosophies of blowing shit up.

Honorably, no doubt. Muslim is no more a one-size-fits-all deal than Christianity is. You got your good apples and you got your bad apples. But as bad apples go, I'm thinking that, now that the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition are behind us, Christianity does not feature a radically and demonstrably vengeful burn-it-to-the-ground-take-no-prisoners sect.

Wow, you're really delusional and it's quite disturbing that you so easily bad-mouth the "bad-sect" of Muslims and try to play off that Christians are not just as crazy? The KKK ring a bell to you? Church-loving race-hating bigots, anyone? What about Polygamists?

Insulting ANYONE is not the answer. Do unto others...you know the drill.

HOWEVER, comma, there IS a radical fundamentalist branch of Islam...into which Osama Bin Laden was recruited, by an instructor, at a posh private high school in London...and this Entourage of Extremists DOES have marching orders from Allah to give us the old heave-ho.

Watch Henry Paulson loot the Treasury and know that Americans are among the most gullible people ON EARTH. "Oh! Look! A Trojan Horse! Seeee, the world DOES still think we're the bee's knees."

The KKK is a radical fundamentalist branch of Christianity? What's your point? What's this rant trying to prove? Just say it, you think Obama is going to be a terrorist or what? Open your eyes, this Obama is Muslim crap is looked at from a purely racist stand-point. If he was "Joe the Plumber" (I really dislike this idiot Joe.) but spoke on Obama's talking points, people just kick and scream about him being a socialist or something similar to that.

Race wouldn't even be a factor, it's all about race and to say otherwise is foolish. If it was Bill Richardson as the Democratic nominee, the same thing would happen and I would expect to see a couple wetback comments and "He's going to open the border to all Mexicans and Latinos!!!!!!" It's total b.s. and I just get extremely peeved at seeing these comments all over the board it's foolish. Obama's religion shouldn't matter, no matter what! Remember the 1st amendment? Or do we casually forget that because Obama is black and possibly a black muslim, big 'effin deal.

 

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FYI: If you live in Indonesia, could luck finding a public school that does not have some sort of Muslim leanings.

I have a friend from Indonesia, a Christian.

Just because you attend a school with the majority religion leanings, does not, in any way, make you a member of said religion.

I also have a mormon friend that attended Catholic school for a few years.

 

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Exactly, so then i beg the OP's question why 23% of texans are dumb?

Because they dont buy the bullshit shoved down their throats by the media??

IMO, these people are less brainwash-worthy than the rest. They realize you can publicly profess you are a christian, then come home during the week drink blood worship satan and fuck pigs. Except, they think its a strong possibility that he is a closet muslim, and there is significant evidence to support he was raised so.

It's kind of a right of passage in US politics to make everyone believe you really are a christian.

There are a lot of less intelligent and less educated people who will believe anything they hear about someone they don't like.

Texas is a state that is heavily conservative, and inundated with right wing talk radio- not just the national stuff (Limbaugh, Savage and their ilk), but local yahoos as well.

So its not surprising that a fair percentage of the less intelligent and less educated wing nuts would fall for this stuff.

BTW, note that the vast majority of Texans do NOT believe this nonsense- so there is some hope.

 

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Disingenuous. Speculation about Muslim influences were not plucked out of thin air. The man was born to a Muslim man, then was raised in the household of another Muslim man...in a Muslim country, attending Muslim schools...until he entered a posh private school in Hawaii.

Moreover, that Barack Obama is running for the presidency of the Disunited States of America puts rather a heavier burden of proof on him.

Actually, the proper word to describe the "secret Muslim" nonsense is "demagoguery."

Its easy to do- take some tenuous connection to some "fact", attach a bunch of BS to it, then say "disprove it" (a logical impossibility)- fyi, this kind of "logic" is used to create conspiracy theories all the time, too.

Watch how easy it is:

John McCain was in a Vietnamese POW camp for years. During that time, he was brainwashed- turned into a "Manchurian Candidate". His Communist controllers are just waiting for their chance to control America once McCain gets elected!

Can you or anyone else "disprove" this? Of course you can't (goes back to my previous post about disproving a negative).

Was it just "plucked from the air". Of course it was- but you can't PROVE that it was, there are some true elements to the story (McCain was in a Communist POW camp, just as Obama did live in Indonesia).

Does that make it true?

OF COURSE NOT!

But you repeat it often enough, you will convince a few nimrods that its true- you can never underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of the average American. BTW, there are some people who DO believe this McCain theory, even though it hasn't really be "pushed" the way the "Muslim" nonsense has.

 

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I have a friend from Indonesia, a Christian.

Just because you attend a school with the majority religion leanings, does not, in any way, make you a member of said religion.

I also have a mormon friend that attended Catholic school for a few years.

That was my point. If you live in a country where all the public schools have a religious curriculum you either send your kid to one of them, pay for a private school, or keep him at home.

 

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I have a friend from Indonesia, a Christian.

Just because you attend a school with the majority religion leanings, does not, in any way, make you a member of said religion.

I also have a mormon friend that attended Catholic school for a few years.

Exactly- my wife attended Catholic schools from grade school through prep school- the ones with nuns and the whole nine yards.

She's not Catholic and has no desire to be Catholic.

 

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- you can never underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of the average American. ​

And therein lies the dilemma.

Forget stupidity, which abounds. Americans are the most gullible people, I think, on the face of the entire planet.

IF the light-skinned, finely-featured Muslim WERE the spearhead of a long range dastardly plot...fifty years is as NOTHING in the Middle Eastern time frame...Americans, WHILE THEY ARE AT WAR WITH A MUSLIM NATION, would be the very FIRST people to haul a Trojan Horse right smack into the middle of the living room.

Look! Manna from heaven! There IS a God!

Is it far-fetched, is it outlandish, does it defy believability? You bet...made to order for a nation of pie-in-the-sky Extremists.

And we are, pie-in-the-sky Extremists.

We are the most powerful nation on earth. We still kick ass. Everyone wants to be us. We can do no wrong. We cannot spend enough money or acquire enough stuff. We legislate morality even as flat-out liars and thieves posture as leaders and captains of industry while, concurrently, children AND VICTIMS...sometimes shit DOES happen...are left to fend for themselves against a stacked deck. Extremes.

Change? We're up for change? I observe that Elite Extremists...those with enough money and guilt to weather the Government Grab and those who will be its recipients...are pinning America's entire recovery on one man.

Extremism is all fine and well in sports and arts. It has no place in governance of a sprawling land mass populated by widely differing folk.

Demagoguery is bad, period.

McCain is, hopefully, the last of THAT particular Bad. There is ALWAYS another Bad, not least because those who overthrow Bad quite predictably adopt the worst traits of those they ejected. Obama is the FIRST of another Bad...brand new start, heading arguably in the right direction in the exact wrong way.

The truth is that America will have a re-balancing of its wealth toward something more reminiscent of parity, or America will go under. What we've got on our hands is not a sustainable paradigm...that's why all hell is breaking loose.

But Obama's solution is the equivalent of our airlifting food to a starving nation rather than teaching them how to farm.

Eventually, there is no more fuel or working aircraft to carry food even if there was any to spare, which there isn't...because people haven't learned how to farm, they have waited for delivery of that which they need. Prosperity is not thusly generated, from the bottom up.

On the face of things, Obama is worse for what ails us. This is not to say that McCain isn't awful, because he is. The big difference is that no one's buyin' his line. Look at the size of Obama's crowds and know that PLENTY of people, ironically, buy the idea that there IS such a thing as a free lunch.

Those who RELISH America tumbling lower as a means of gaining power themselves are left to their own reason and vote. An argument can be made to support the position, plus everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote.

But there ARE people who are legitimately Undecided. Undecided, with a date of decision bearing down, falls well within the icky end of the spectrum. Not sure, not sure, what's best, what's best...WANTING to do the right thing. Frankly, how DARE Ron Paul supporters, of all people, to mock and insult those who argue that John McCain is less bad and potentially critically less bad than Barack Obama.

If RonPaulForums means to be exactly that...Ron Paul supporters only, preaching only Ron Paul platform to other Ron Paul supporters, that is a different story. Then I have been out of line and I apologize.

But I would remind Ron Paul supporters that your movement lacks heavy hitter numbers. You will become more inclusive, or you will remain on the margin. Divide and conquer is top-notch on the effectiveness scale but, like it or not, so is safety in numbers.

 

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And therein lies the dilemma.

Forget stupidity, which abounds. Americans are the most gullible people, I think, on the face of the entire planet.

IF the light-skinned, finely-featured Muslim WERE the spearhead of a long range dastardly plot...fifty years is as NOTHING in the Middle Eastern time frame...Americans, WHILE THEY ARE AT WAR WITH A MUSLIM NATION, would be the very FIRST people to haul a Trojan Horse right smack into the middle of the living room.

Look! Manna from heaven! There IS a God!

Is it far-fetched, is it outlandish, does it defy believability? You bet...made to order for a nation of pie-in-the-sky Extremists.

And we are, pie-in-the-sky Extremists.

We are the most powerful nation on earth. We still kick ass. Everyone wants to be us. We can do no wrong. We cannot spend enough money or acquire enough stuff. We legislate morality even as flat-out liars and thieves posture as leaders and captains of industry while, concurrently, children AND VICTIMS...sometimes shit DOES happen...are left to fend for themselves against a stacked deck. Extremes.

Change? We're up for change? I observe that Elite Extremists...those with enough money and guilt to weather the Government Grab and those who will be its recipients...are pinning America's entire recovery on one man.

Extremism is all fine and well in sports and arts. It has no place in governance of a sprawling land mass populated by widely differing folk.

Demagoguery is bad, period.

McCain is, hopefully, the last of THAT particular Bad. There is ALWAYS another Bad, not least because those who overthrow Bad quite predictably adopt the worst traits of those they ejected. Obama is the FIRST of another Bad...brand new start, heading arguably in the right direction in the exact wrong way.

The truth is that America will have a re-balancing of its wealth toward something more reminiscent of parity, or America will go under. What we've got on our hands is not a sustainable paradigm...that's why all hell is breaking loose.

But Obama's solution is the equivalent of our airlifting food to a starving nation rather than teaching them how to farm.

Eventually, there is no more fuel or working aircraft to carry food even if there was any to spare, which there isn't...because people haven't learned how to farm, they have waited for delivery of that which they need. Prosperity is not thusly generated, from the bottom up.

On the face of things, Obama is worse for what ails us. This is not to say that McCain isn't awful, because he is. The big difference is that no one's buyin' his line. Look at the size of Obama's crowds and know that PLENTY of people, ironically, buy the idea that there IS such a thing as a free lunch.

Those who RELISH America tumbling lower as a means of gaining power themselves are left to their own reason and vote. An argument can be made to support the position, plus everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own vote.

But there ARE people who are legitimately Undecided. Undecided, with a date of decision bearing down, falls well within the icky end of the spectrum. Not sure, not sure, what's best, what's best...WANTING to do the right thing. Frankly, how DARE Ron Paul supporters, of all people, to mock and insult those who argue that John McCain is less bad and potentially critically less bad than Barack Obama.

If RonPaulForums means to be exactly that...Ron Paul supporters only, preaching only Ron Paul platform to other Ron Paul supporters, that is a different story. Then I have been out of line and I apologize.

But I would remind Ron Paul supporters that your movement lacks heavy hitter numbers. You will become more inclusive, or you will remain on the margin. Divide and conquer is top-notch on the effectiveness scale but, like it or not, so is safety in numbers.

Caring that Barack Obama is a Muslim is American ignorance.

 

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Caring that Barack Obama is a Muslim is American ignorance.

Dismissing out-of-hand even the possibility of fraud and conspiracy when we are DROWNING in fraud and conspiracy doesn't speak to brilliance, either.

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Thursday 30 October 2008 (02 Dhul Qa’dah 1429)
Russian-Muslim alliance picks up momentum
Siraj Wahab & Samir Al-Saadi | Arab News —

JEDDAH: Stronger ties between Russia and Muslim nations augur well for a world that has seen problems associated with US hegemony, according to religious, cultural and political leaders who attended the Russian-Islamic World Strategic Vision Group’s three-day forum at the Jeddah Conference Palace.

“The first eight years of the 21st century have shown us how a world dominated by one superpower can be dangerous. These eight years have demonstrated that problems cannot be solved by a brute show of force,” said Veniamin Popove, director of the Russian Center for Partnership of Civilizations.

“The balance of power is changing. The world is changing. It is no longer a unipolar world. New centers of power are emerging. Russia is one pole. The Islamic world, led by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, is another pole. If we join these two poles then we would have a better leverage on the world stage,” Popove said.

He noted that Saudi Arabia is among the 20 nations that will discuss the fallout of the global economic crisis in the United States on Nov. 15. “Saudi Arabia has been specially invited for this crucial summit. Here is proof of the fact that the Islamic world has arrived on the world stage,” Popove said. He added that the Jeddah forum discussed issues that kept Russia and the Islamic world at bay in the past.

“We have opened a new chapter in our relationship with the Islamic world. There is political and cultural will to come together in the larger interest of humanity. Everybody now accepts that the world cannot have followers of just one religion. We all have to learn to coexist and this is basically the message of the forum,” Popove said.

Participants discussed in depth Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah’s initiative on interfaith and intercultural dialogue. They stressed the need for people of different faiths and cultures to peacefully coexist side by side, and to shun violence, intolerance and terrorism. They commended the constructive efforts made by King Abdullah for peaceful coexistence between civilizations and for rejecting the notion of a clash between them.

Speaking at the concluding session, Prince Turki ibn Muhammad ibn Saud Al-Kabeer, deputy minister for multilateral relations, felt the voice of reason is bound to prevail in this critical era. “Dialogue among us has become a vital necessity in view of human development. We need to cooperate in a constructive manner to build our common edifice and achieve our mutual goals and objectives.”

Prince Turki expressed hope that the ideas discussed during the forum would be translated into practical programs and projects that promote peaceful coexistence among different peoples and civilizations.

He called for the promotion of an Islamic-Russian dialogue in view of the great potential of these two civilizations and their contribution to help mankind prosper.
A communiqué issued at the end of the meeting called for the need to support cultural centers on both sides “to create significant space for cultural exchange and cooperation, and to increase rapprochement and mutual understanding.” It called for supporting Russia’s proposal to establish a consultative council on religions at the United Nations.

The forum appealed to the world media to project the importance of dialogue and disseminate a culture of respect for religions.

As a framework for international relations, the communiqué urged educational and research institutions in the Russian Federation and the Islamic world to attract more researchers, and carry out studies that promote human values and disseminate the culture of tolerance and understanding through dialogue.

Delegates said prizes should be instituted to honor personalities and bodies that make outstanding contributions in promoting relations between Russia and the Islamic world.

The meetings have been boosted by the resurgence of the Russian Orthodox Church since the end of the Soviet Union, which had long made Muslim leaders wary due to its attempts to subversively promote communism in the Muslim world and its war in Afghanistan.

Western nations, particularly the European Union, are likely to view a Russian-Muslim alliance with a certain degree of skepticism, as the Russian Federation’s recent invasion of Georgia along with its questionable actions with other former Soviet republics, such as Ukraine, on energy issues may suggest the creation of a new super alliance that could impact the West’s access to energy.

Such issues were not discussed at the forum, but in the lead-up to the next forum to be held in Kuwait, Muslim leaders certainly will be watching global events with interest and optimism in hopes of a more advantageous shuffling of global power in the future.

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Usama bin Laden and other Al Qaida figures promote an ideology that unites a variety of grievances and motivates their supporters. Many of these grievances have existed for some time as consistent themes in Middle Eastern politics - for instance, opposition to Israel - but Al Qaida has merged them into a "single narrative" of a global conspiracy against the Muslim world.

They claim that the current impoverished state of many Muslim countries is the fault of an alliance between "Zionists and Crusaders" (principally meaning Israel and the United States) and corrupt Muslim governments. They assert that the solution to this problem is to eradicate Western influences from the Muslim world, replace existing governments with a supranational "caliphate" and impose a strict and exclusive form of government based on their particular interpretation of Sunni Islam.

Al Qaida's members adopt an extreme interpretation of Islamic teaching which they believe places an obligation on believers to fight and kill to achieve their aims. Most Muslims and the world's leading Islamic scholars reject this position. Europe's leading Islamic scholars have declared that "under no circumstances does Islam permit terrorism and the killing of civilians. Terrorism is in direct contravention to the principles of Islam and the vast majority of Muslim remain faithful to these teachings." [1]
Al Qaida brands the governments of many Muslim states as "apostates" who do not adhere to its definition of "true Islam". Secular republics and religiously-based monarchies alike are attacked on this basis. By branding them as guilty of apostasy - an offence for which Islamic law prescribes a death sentence - the terrorists justify taking violent action against the governments and citizens of those states, even though they are co-religionists.

Al Qaida strongly opposes Western influences and ideas that it regards as "unIslamic".

Notably, it is explicitly opposed to democratic principles. It has released statements rejecting democratic elections in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Palestinian Territories. It claims that democracy is a rival "religion" and that principles such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion are equivalent to apostasy, punishable by death. In Al Qaida's view, the only acceptable form of government is a "Caliphate" exclusively based on Sharia law. However, Al Qaida is careful to define itself only by what it opposes and has yet to define what the Islamic Caliphate it advocates would actually stand for.

Al Qaida's opposition to "un-Islamic" ideas extends to condemnation of Muslim religious practices of which they disapprove. In particular, Al Qaida supports a narrow interpretation of Sunnism, the largest denomination of Islam, and is violently opposed to other Islamic denominations which it regards as "infidel" as well as Sunni Muslims whom it regards as insufficiently pious. Al Qaida and its allies in Iraq and Afghanistan have killed thousands of Muslims of both Shia and Sunni denominations.

Finally, Al Qaida claims that Islam itself is facing an active, sustained, and long-term attack from what they characterise as a Christian-Jewish alliance against Muslims. It supports this claim by characterising relations between Muslims and Westerners as a long history of injustices and grievances, whilst downplaying any evidence to the contrary. For instance, Usama bin Laden has cited the suffering of Muslims in the former Yugoslavia as being the fault of the "Zionist-Crusader alliance and their collaborators," without mentioning the facts that NATO military intervention brought the conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo to an end, and Western countries saved hundreds of thousands of lives through the provision of humanitarian aid.

[1] The Topkapi Declaration, Muslims of Europe Conference, Istanbul, 1-2 July 2006

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[NewEnd]

Dismissing out-of-hand even the possibility of fraud and conspiracy when we are DROWNING in fraud and conspiracy doesn't speak to brilliance, either.

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Overstating the power of the president to sell America to it's enemies is definitely a sign of ignorance.

 

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Overstating the power of the president to sell America to it's enemies is definitely a sign of ignorance.

For putting interests other than America's first, what do you call what just happened during the Bush Administration?

 

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From before the Iowa Caucuses until I came to this board, I posted at one that transformed before my eyes from a liberal-leaning, reform-minded joint to a rabid take-no-prisoners pro-O clubhouse. Dissenting opinions unacceptable.

I said from the start that, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, putting either a woman or a black man up against an entire national history of electing white male landed gentry was a big fucking gamble when we have next to no wiggle room. But noooo. They were sure that Barack Obama...who more than one of them referred to as "our boy"...could prevail in November. Amazingly, they may have been right.

At the time, though, I concluded many an insult-fest by saying that if my worst-case scenario was that Barack Obama goes the distance then, given their boundless enthusiasm and total confidence, I could be sure that my problems were over. I accept. Would they, in turn, accept McCain if their look-at-us-change gamble fell short in November when, given voting apparatus irregularities in the past, we can presume that anything resembling a tie base will fall to the Republicans.

If Barack Obama is the Wunderkind he's been selling himself to be...in the most expensive campaign in American history, it bears mention...then, hey, no bigger deal than the one that is already on the table: America hitting bottom, and starting back up. I accept.

Do those who maintain that there is no difference in the inferiority of these men accept it if it DOES turn out that Barack Obama has an agenda that has not yet been expressed, but for which he can muster support via a weak and sympathetic Congress, an obliging media and steady government assistance to the Majority?