Obama grassroots beats ours?

Myself, I'm voting for Ron Paul. But if somebody put a gun to my head and told me to choose the next president between the three people we have left, it's Obama in a heartbeat. At least we're not POSITIVE that he's going to screw everything up.

I think most of of share these sentiments. If my state allows, I will write in Ron Paul otherwise I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate. However, the lesser of the "Presidential Trinity" at the moment is Obama, in my opinion, just because he's new to the political establishment and hasn't been corrupted as much yet. But that's not saying much considering his platform, which I disagree with almost 100%.
 
There's lots of reasons to support Obama.

You guys are like "War-Mongering Liar CFR ZOMG", like there's a choice.

Like it or not, the race is coming down to Obama, Clinton, and McCain. All those are war-mongering liars and CFR members. Saying that you shouldn't support Obama because of that is just being ridiculous.

Myself, I'm voting for Ron Paul. But if somebody put a gun to my head and told me to choose the next president between the three people we have left, it's Obama in a heartbeat. At least we're not POSITIVE that he's going to screw everything up.

I could never vote for someone who supports an interventionist foreign policy, amnesty, and the Iraqi war (Obama). I would vote for none.
This type of attitude is what keeps status quo.
 
Che Guevara Flag flown in houston office: http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28915&only&rss

The image on the flag is the "poster" i was talking about....

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I could never vote for someone who supports an interventionist foreign policy, amnesty, and the Iraqi war (Obama). I would vote for none.
This type of attitude is what keeps status quo.

Great, me neither! But it's hard to fault somebody who wants to make a decision between the people who have a realistic chance of being elected.

Hell, before this election, I never thought I'd be voting for a Republican from Texas. Funny how the world works :)
 
I think most of of share these sentiments. If my state allows, I will write in Ron Paul otherwise I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate. However, the lesser of the "Presidential Trinity" at the moment is Obama, in my opinion, just because he's new to the political establishment and hasn't been corrupted as much yet. But that's not saying much considering his platform, which I disagree with almost 100%.

True. And I'd agree a lot more with his platform if we were actually in a healthy economy. At this point, though, I think that we need to get back "into the black" before we start talking about how to divide up the loot.
 
And to extrapolate on that "voting for lesser of evils"- consider this:

If we have a three way race where A and B are in close heat, and C is distant last. Let's say the polling was something like this:

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A 44%
B 45%
C 11%

Now, if we put all C voters into B it looks like this:

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A 44%
B 56%
C 0%

It seems as if B is the clear winner, but if no C voters voted for B, the B would win but only by 1% and it's not above 50%. As a consequence, B would have to be more cautious as a POTUS because he doesn't have the "national support" and will have to think hard about whether he should appeal to C bloc by revising his positions.
 
There is no lesser of the three evils.
They are all equally corrupt in that they are all totally corrupt.

If anything, the most dangerous is Oprah-bammy, because he has already been coronated the winner by the MSM. It almost appears as if there are moles in this forum who are here to assuage our doubts as to the legitimacy of the upcoming farce in November. "Go back to sleep little sheep, one of your own thinks Obama is OK so that is why he won" ~ that is the consonance left in the wake of a socialist mole.

Reminds me much of the so-called right wing talk show hosts that will bash Shrillery but never ever the oprah-bomination, "why he is just such a nice guy!" They really do not even talk about the Republican strawman much anymore.

The sooner we get this message through to ourselves the better off we will be.

The truth is that we still have a very good chance of taking this thing all the way to the convention an defeating the MSM. A very good chance.

Dr. Ron Paul is the only choice!
 
Because my understanding of War mongerer is a person who desire war for profit.

If you believe that is Obama, that is your opinion. I don't. I believe him. Hold me responsible if he is elected.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I recall you saying that you are a conservative Republican. If that is so, how on earth could you support Obama? He's a big government socialist.

Please explain your rationale. Thanks.
 
Great, me neither! But it's hard to fault somebody who wants to make a decision between the people who have a realistic chance of being elected.

Hell, before this election, I never thought I'd be voting for a Republican from Texas. Funny how the world works :)

you're not voting for a republican...you're voting for obama. How are you making sense now?
 
Great, me neither! But it's hard to fault somebody who wants to make a decision between the people who have a realistic chance of being elected.

Hell, before this election, I never thought I'd be voting for a Republican from Texas. Funny how the world works :)

it's actually easy to fault someone for that. If you vote against your principles than you are a sell out... your playing right into the media's game.

man, i wonder how many votes rp has lost to obama idiots. Obama = no change at all whatsoever, none of the changes this revolution demands anyways.

vote for obama, mccain, or hillary and you deserve a draft and the economic hardship that will soon be among you americans... imho. :)
 
funny thing is, now they (MSM) say that fund raising is a sign of who is in first. Paul was the king the last 2 quarters on the R side, but yet, it didnt mean anything....THEN!
 
Because my understanding of War mongerer is a person who desire war for profit.

If you believe that is Obama, that is your opinion. I don't. I believe him. Hold me responsible if he is elected.


First off I think you need to find the Obama forums this is the RonPaulforums nobody here cares about Obama 5 dollar. You are preaching to the wrong choir.

I seen enough to not like this guy his voting record sucks he lacks experiance. He talks about change but does not talk about any real issues. He is 100% fake I can't wait to see the FEC reports.

Here are his top 2 mistakes he is not worthy to be my president.

1.The NAFTA blunder: Obama's top economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee, met with a Canadian official and assured him that his candidate's position on NAFTA was just for political consumption

2. Obama's ties to Rezko: '' This man has been a longtime friend and fundraiser for Obama. He also helped Obama buy his house in Chicago. Obama claims that he wants to clean up government and get rid of the lobbyists. Having ties to a man that is accused of extorting bribes and money laundering isn't a man that you should be associated with if your goal is trying to eliminate lobbyists.

((OWNED))
 
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Because my understanding of War mongerer is a person who desire war for profit.

If you believe that is Obama, that is your opinion. I don't. I believe him. Hold me responsible if he is elected.

Obama's foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brezinski. If that doesn't tell you how he feels on foreign policy, you're hopeless.
 
Kade,

I couldn't help but notice how your responses are usually on the defensive, with occasional jabs to posters for being stupid, dogmatic or not being substantive.

Why don't you give some solid reasons for supporting Obama?

It's hard to respond to so many negative and oft ridiculous posts. I do have to be defensive, it's easy to send someone a volley of misguided and absurd one-liners that distort reality, and often they require time to dissect.

I like Obama because I think he is honest.
I do believe he will end the war.
He believes in market solutions to most problems.
He is a masterful politician (figure this out for your self, ie why this matters)
He is a strong defender of civil liberties, free speech laws, second amendment rights, and many other individual liberties, including ones retained by the people, reproductive rights, civil unions, etc.
He also has no real plan to increase the budget, rather to spend the money elsewhere, notably away from massive defense spending. (education, science and research)
His middle of the road take on faith is going to be required to heal some of the deep wounds this country is taking from the culture war.
He will end faith-based initiatives
He wants to end affirmative action. (as noted in his book)
I agree with the type of judges he considers paragons of justice, (Brandeis, Blackmun)
He promises to end no-bid federal contracts.
Voted to end the debt limit increase.

If he does not overturn the executive orders and the Military Commissions act and the Patriot Act in his first few weeks in office, then I am wrong about him.

So, there you have it. Am I happy with my choice? No. I am weighted most on two issues, the loss of privacy and civil liberties, and massive defense spending. Those two issues determine my choice for president.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I recall you saying that you are a conservative Republican. If that is so, how on earth could you support Obama? He's a big government socialist.

Please explain your rationale. Thanks.

I am a proud liberal (some here say I'm a classical liberal, although I'm not into playing word games) and I've never said otherwise. I would never put the moniker "conservative" in front of my name. Conservative to means stands for stagnation.

I've given my reasons, and although they might not entirely outweigh the negatives, I don't like my other two choices. If Ron Paul ran a third party, that would change things.

I know that criticism of the campaign is not well taken here, but I thought that Ron Paul and his campaign missed a golden opportunity, and place most of the blame on his impotent campaign managers.

This thread was about Obama grassroots.

He does have a strong grassroots movement. They go door to door and teach people how to vote in caucuses. They have used technology to organize, and they have taken over many of the college campuses in this country. You can give the credit to the media, you can blame whoever you want, but Obama does have a real grassroots, and it is strong.

I've not said anything that wasn't true. If anything we should be respectful of where we are willing to distort reality for our own causes.

The founding fathers were almost never in agreement about anything. It took over a year of fighting just to agree to declare independence; WHILE blood was being shed in Massachusetts!

The arguments between the Federalists and the Anti-federalists mirrors todays arguments. Who is to really say what side is 100% right. I tend towards moderation and common sense. I think the federal government is a powerful tool for progress, but I think it belongs to the people, first and foremost, and I think it needs to be tightly bound by principles that promote liberty and freedom for individuals.

For instance, I support federal money for technology and research. So did Jefferson.

I support the disarming of the federal reserve and I support the end to corporate welfare before the end of social welfare. (one costs nearly a trillion, the other a few billion)

I think judicial review has saved this country. I think it is wrong and should not be necessary.

I believe freedom is maximized by allowing the most possible on local levels, and then I read about some backasswards Kansas town injecting their kids with the plague, or some moronic local police force strip searching 15 year old girls.

This is a complicated world. It would takes years to explain what I have learned in my travels. I was born in Virginia, and I've lived in California, Georgia, Massachusetts, Indiana, Florida, and Rhode Island. I've been educated in the South, the West Coast, the Midwest, and the North.

I don't know the answers, and I don't pretend to... I know what I'm willing to fight for, and it isn't the garbage that is this current administration, and it isn't what McCain is selling.

Does that answer your questions? But please, continue to employ the one-liners.
 
Sadly like 99 percent of the country, you seem to only form your opinions off of his speeches (which don't matter at all) instead of his voting record.
 
Sadly like 99 percent of the country, you seem to only form your opinions off of his speeches (which don't matter at all) instead of his voting record.

But he said it, it must be true! ! ! ! :):eek::D

It's nice to see an Obama supporting actually spell out why he/she likes him, rare as it is. The hypocricies are astounding though.
 
Sadly like 99 percent of the country, you seem to only form your opinions off of his speeches (which don't matter at all) instead of his voting record.

Then what does matter? Did Thomas Jefferson have anything but his writing? Was Franklin to be judged on his inventions?

Ron Paul got my attention with his writing and his speeches. What does matter to you?
 
You people are untenable. You didn't even read what I wrote, and this is proven by the fact that you responded EXACTLY as I spelled out how you would.

Actually I did read what you wrote, and I always do. Chill out and thanks for trying
 
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