Obama Caves, Will Vote for FISA Bill

He will find a way to not be there or else he just won't vote at all like he has in the past.

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cyndezu said:
crooks and liars;

"All of a sudden I feel justified for not supporting Obama.He still has a chance to do the right thing, and if he blows, I’m going full blown campaigning for MCcain.

His silence on this very very important issue will make it or break it for his candidacy."
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Yeah like McCain is such a Anti-FISA man...:rolleyes:
 
He's courting the Independent vote while trying to not alienate the liberal vote. The biggest one complaint about Obama I've heard from them is that he is not "Bi-Partisan" and "Pro-War" enought for them.

Simple solution really
 
not that I'm trying to defend 'Bammy, but it's not exactly a flip-flop, in my book. he does acknowledge the immunity part and pledges to seek a change in that.
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And when that filibuster fails, if it even happens, he'll vote for the bill. If he was actually trying everything he could to stop the bill, he'd at least vote against it if the filibuster fails.

it'll be forgotten in a week.
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It'll make some supporters jump ship. If that happens enough on the Obama side and the McCain side, we could have a shot at getting someone competent in the White House.
 
RonPaulFever said:
This won't keep O! from the White House; in fact, it'll be forgotten in a week.
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No, the obama supporters are rationalizing these statements in this very thread.
Obama can say whatever he wants and his lemmings will try to justify it by saying, well he's just trying to appease the indies and the libs. Its normal.
 
torchbearer said:
No, the obama supporters are rationalizing these statements in this very thread.
Obama can say whatever he wants and his lemmings will try to justify it by saying, well he's just trying to appease the indies and the libs. Its normal.
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So, Independents hate freedom? :cool:
 
Knightskye said:
What did you mean by that?
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I was refering to this comment by an Obama supporter:
ElectrisucksObamaOff said:
He's courting the Independent vote while trying to not alienate the liberal vote. The biggest one complaint about Obama I've heard from them is that he is not "Bi-Partisan" and "Pro-War" enought for them.

Simple solution really
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Knightskye said:
Now you're just making stuff up.
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That was a reference to your making stuff up by saying I think indies hate freedom.
Kinda out of the blue, and made up like.. how often you beat your wife? question.
It implies you do it.
 
courting the vote = lying. At least obama supporters are starting to admit he is a lier. A few more steps in their thinking will make them realize what he said TO MAKE THEM vote/support was nothing more than "courting"
 
lynnf said:
"It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses."
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Translation: "I'm down for some lip service, but I'll go along with whatever."
 
I posted these two rants today in another forum that is full of Obama supporters who were surprised by this. I think y'all will appreciate it more than they did.

Rant #1:
One of the most dangerous scams in the country is Constitutional Law. (Important because Obama was an "Advanced Constitutional Law" professor.) Jefferson thought that the Constitution was written to be understood by any person of average intelligence. It didn't need years of case study to explain away. The job of Constitutional lawyers isn't to understand the Constitution. The job of Constitutional lawyers is to figure out how to spin whatever the Government wants to do and convince other lawyers that it doesn't violate the Constitution. So when the Constitution says:
Some dude named Madison said:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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...the job of the Constitutional lawyer is to spin a law that allows the government to search without warrants and say that it doesn't violate the Fourth Amendment. They pull spin out of their asses and say things like, "The Fourth Amendment never applied at the border, and common law says that a nation is allowed to search border entries. Regardless of the fact that an international phone call is tapped at an interior location, it's really just a border search." Judges who have been chosen by their willingness to accept this kind of spin buy it hook, line, and sinker. Then another law that further erodes liberty is brought up for review, and this decision is used as precedent. Eventually, it gets to the point that the Constitution really just a "goddamn piece of paper".

We need fewer Constitutional law experts in this country, and more people who will read and defend the Constitution.


Rant #2
We have a series of laws that have set up a secret court, allow the government to wiretap international calls without a warrant, allow the government to wiretap domestic calls with ex post facto warrants, doesn't allow the accused to see the evidence from this court, allows the government to prosecute anyone who talks about experiences in this court, and various other atrocities on justice. We have no debate about that. The executive, both houses of Congress, and both parties are in complete agreement on all of that. What do we argue about? Whether or not we can sue the telephone companies for obeying illegal orders from the President.

Have you ever watched a cat try to kill a squirrel? The squirrel sits there on the branch, wagging his bushy tail, and distracts the cat. Instead of grabbing the squirrel, the cat pounces on its tail, allowing the squirrel to escape. Washington is full of squirrels.
 
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